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In this episode we dive into the Gruesome Crimes of Jake Bird – Tacoma’s Ax-Murderer, possibly one of America's most prolific, yet lesser-known, serial killers (and the Jake Bird Hex). Though he was born in Louisiana, he spent much of the short time that he wasn’t...
In this episode we drive into the Gruesome Crimes of Jake Bird – Tacoma’s Ax-Killer, possibly one of America's most prolific, yet lesser-known, serial killers. Though he was born in Louisiana, he spent much of the short time that he wasn’t incarcerated traveling across the country as a transient laborer, allegedly leaving a bloody trail of unsolved murders. However, it wasn’t until he committed a horrifying double homicide in Tacoma, Washington, that he was finally caught, tried, and ultimately sentenced to death.
Jake Bird was arrested in 1947 after murdering Bertha and Beverly Kludt in their Tacoma home, using an axe he found on their property. That might seem like the end of the story but Bird’s reign of terror didn’t stop there—he shockingly confessed to being involved in over 40 additional murders throughout the United States, potentially making him one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history, as well as, a potential suspect in crimes that occurred in numerous states all over the country at the time. This episode also explores the chilling "Jake Bird Hex.” His infamous statement given before the court left many with an eerie sense of unease, particularly once several people connected to his trial met their end in short succession following his sentencing. This narrative is rich in historical detail (and a dash of superstition) and may leave you questioning whether the curse of Jake Bird still lingers today.
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The foresight with that, that's smart.
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Like in the moment a lot of people wouldn't have thought of that as I think.
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Wow.
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You'd like to think that you would in the moment do the things that, you know,
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help the situation and maybe don't make it worse by adding in another potential victim.
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But I mean, who can say what they would do?
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Seriously, I was watching a documentary on horror movies last night and that was one of the things
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that's like people always yell at the screen like, I would never do that.
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I would never be that stupid.
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Like you would always and forever be that dumb.
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Yeah, you probably will.
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Hi Cassie.
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Hi Caitlyn.
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Hi creepy people.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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How you doing out there?
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How you doing?
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides.
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Where we chat about true crimes, the paranormal, it’s officially spooky season,
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So definitely some spooky stuff.
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Do you have a spooky episode for us today?
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Actually, I'll say a little bit spooky.
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I'm so excited.
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I'm excited.
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I love spooky stuff.
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Yeah, I don't know if you'll love how this one goes spooky,
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Is it at least Pacific Northwest?
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Because that's what we talk about here.
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Also that.
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We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight to our topic.
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It's a thing that we do also as well.
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Another spooky thing that we do.
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Because we're spooky.
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It's spooky.
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We've got a real witchy vibe going on over here with the tarot.
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The altar is immaculate.
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It is.
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And Caitlyn did it all by herself.
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It's only been set up for like two weeks.
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So she's really excited about this one.
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You guys got and moved around a little bit.
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I didn't know I was setting it up for this one, but I caught a vibe.
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She did so.
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Here we are.
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So make sure you go look at the altar on the video, either on YouTube or Patreon, or you can see.
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Yeah, or both.
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It's with the double whammy.
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You can see little clips of it.
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Cheers for the last happy moment for an hour.
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This one is like slightly long.
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It might be a little bit more than an hour.
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Today we're going to talk about Jake Bird.
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And no, I'm not talking about the Colorado Rockies right-hander.
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Who by the way, reportedly signed his friend's earbooks, saved this autograph for when I'm playing
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in the major leagues at the end of his second grade year when he was just eight years old.
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I wasn't even sure if that was going to be something that you would be able to figure out from context.
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This is not a sportsing podcast.
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No, he's a baseball player.
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I just had to bring it up because despite being one of the most prolific killers in US history based on his confessions,
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the baseball player is far more heavily represented in the results from your average search engine.
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I would be interested to know like the stats on people who watch sports and listen to True Crime.
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Like are the pools very vastly different in number?
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I think the SEO.
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I'm going to have to put the Jake Bird in the show notes and we'll just see what happens with that.
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I've kind of know.
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I've come across this in my spooky research.
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I don't know the full thing.
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I obviously did not research this.
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I've come across Jake Bird of my spooky research.
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The baseball player.
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Still not a sporting podcast.
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I've read like, you know, a little, a little paragraph or two on things.
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So I'm excited.
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I love that even the baseball player by the same name currently hails from the PNW.
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You know, Colorado Rockies.
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That's called manifesting.
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He did it.
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I think that's about all that he has in common with the Jake Bird.
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We'll talk about today.
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Who's death predates the other Jake Bird, the baseball player one, his career in the MLB by
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about five decades.
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So there couldn't be less in common or related with these two just to be abundantly clear.
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I love how both like this episode and your last episode, you're like, we have to separate
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And they're not related.
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It's like that's kind of the running theme I like with my recent episodes.
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I'm okay with it.
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I guess I've been on a little bit more of an old tiny kick lately.
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I am still trying to dart around so we get to visit a variety of places.
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And I have some case recommendations that I'll be working on that are from a more modern
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So we do have some more modern stuff coming, but were they recommendations for my creepy
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Well, some of them, I'm not going to promise like my next episode is a recommendation.
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I'm working on some things that people have asked for or suggested.
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So I'm not.
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I'm ignoring you all.
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I just wanted to say I'd personally love seeing our email fill up with any recommendations
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that you have.
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Yeah, there's quite a few in there.
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Anything you want us to cover for future, but especially if you stumble upon anything that would
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be helpful source material.
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And the reason they're so interested is that they found like one good article that maybe
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Just send us a list of resources to pull from.
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You just via our research assistance that would be the entiest.
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We're currently in the market.
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So if you're interested.
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Did I wink?
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It's actually dangerous right now because I've magnets on my eyes, but your eyelashes will
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Jake Bird was born December 14, 1901.
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a “Sag."
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Sagittarius, as if you're nasty.
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I love you, Sages that aren't murderers.
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I'm just like, what is it about cosmic timing or maybe something else in their environment?
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Like, are you guys born in winter and you don't like winter?
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Isn't Taylor Swift the Sagittarius?
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I'm getting, getting, getting.
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She might end up on our pod one day for a different reason other than us being Swifties.
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Whatever, it's really not that important to our story in terms of because we're not going
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Speaking of things that are perhaps interesting for my hat rack, but perhaps not the most important
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to the story, you got to appease the hat rack.
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Is that the right word?
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I don't think I've ever used that word.
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No, that fits.
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My vocabulary is just expanding thanks to Caitlyn.
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Oh, I don't know that I can take credit for all of that.
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Detritus...
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Knowing that we're hoping to take a trip out to good ol', NOLA next year, I just had to see
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how far away Greenwood was from New Orleans.
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These are the things I think about because I'm like, we're going to be in New Orleans next
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It's probably not going to visit, but...
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Problems us not.
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I feel like everyone's getting a real up close in person.
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And look at the ADHD of it all.
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That's why they come.
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Also, I don't know, like if you want us to come to New Orleans, you know, if you want to
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come to New Orleans, we're going to be at hopefully a spooky podcast convention.
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So I don't know.
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This is a really great time to probably just put our podcast on like auto play over and over
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again.
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Almost with that sweet, sweet ad revenue.
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Don't give the ads too.
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Keep them on.
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It's fine.
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You know, subscribe on Patreon.
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That's true.
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It is all ad free on Patreon.
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So there's that beyond that, there are frustratingly few details available that have been confirmed
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about his early life.
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Here they are.
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He was raised by Charles and Delie bird.
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Charles Charles.
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Charles.
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Charles.
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Every time.
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He also had three brothers Andrew, Henry, and Lenny.
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So back then, see this is my goal is to just skip town and work for my laptop all over the country.
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So back then, I would have worked on trains.
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Yeah.
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What you're saying.
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Get on a train.
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Do crime.
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Okay.
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Well, steps one and two.
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But without the crime.
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Oh, maybe some crime.
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Weed to legal in a lot of places.
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No, come on.
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It's not like they don't know.
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I don't get high.
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We're definitely about to start another show that may or may not center on.
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The topic.
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I don't know.
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Stay tuned.
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I don't know.
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By the time he turned 45, he had already spent 31 years behind bars for various crimes, including
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multiple assaults, burglary, and even attempted murder.
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Okay.
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So I saw that face.
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I saw that face in my mind as I was writing this.
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So my next sentence is let me know if I need to repeat that because it's a little bit mind blowing.
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I was trying to math.
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Yeah.
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45 years old.
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And he has been incarcerated for 31 years of his life.
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So he was 14.
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14 years.
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He essentially.
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Yeah.
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There's like 14 years of his life sporadically, somewhere throughout those 45 years that he was not
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imprisoned.
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Oh, I wonder like how young he was.
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Are you going to talk about it?
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I guess pretty young.
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The bulk of his criminal history is not when he would have been starting out.
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I'm not going to get into a ton of like any of his early crimes, but you know, just remember
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at 45, we've got multiple assaults, burglary, and even attempted murder.
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So like, you know, he's kind of working his way through building a quite the rap sheet.
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After his release from jail in 1947, he took to working on the railroad near Tacoma, Washington.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Lots of great things happening in Tacoma.
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I don't talk about them, but.
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And Jake Bird would eventually again be arrested.
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I know.
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I was shocked too, you guys.
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He was arrested in Tacoma on October 30, 1947, just a few days after arriving to the area.
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And a day before hell.
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I know.
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I would.
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My mind was blown.
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I was not looking for anything.
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Theme at home.
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And I could not have picked anything more on brand for spooky season because when we get
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there, and I will tell you, I was partway through already writing some of my notes from articles
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and stuff that I had found.
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And I was like, I'm sorry.
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What's this now?
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There's so much more.
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Okay.
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I was absolutely dying.
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I was like, you have got to be kidding.
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It just, it's like a true crime story made in the lab for me to talk about during the month
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of October.
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I mean, it's awful, but I'm very excited to tell you about it.
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That night, Bertha Kludt, a widow in her 50s who worked at a bakery and her 17 year old daughter,
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Beverly, who had just recently graduated, were sleeping soundly.
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End of story.
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Okay.
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No, I'm, it keeps going.
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They lived on 21st Street in Tacoma.
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I'm going to refer to them as now, which always makes me think of it's always sunny in Philadelphia.
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It's such a bird, Dee.
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Oh, I always think of the [sings] b-b-b-bird bird bird! But I digress.
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He snuck onto their property and because it's old timey and this is actually just a thing
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that happens actually in more than one case that I've talked about of this nature, he
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found an axe in their wood shed before slinking into their home through the unlocked backdoor.
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So lots of old timey features here.
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People just had axes.
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There's, you know, chop chop and stuff.
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Unlocked doors because I, the 1940s of it all.
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Though he'd taken great pains to be as quiet as possible, Bertha screamed when she came
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across the strange man in her home.
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Because one does.
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Mrs. Steincipher phoned the police when she heard the sounds of a struggle in her neighbor's
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home.
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Oh, that was so sweet.
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She's probably like, this is like a widowed single mother with a teenage daughter.
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Yeah.
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Like, I'm getting on the horn.
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Oh.
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I know.
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God.
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Just heartbreaking.
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I always make fun of like note the nosy neighbor thing, but like, no, this is smart.
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Sometimes you just want a nosy neighbor.
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But it's just smart because literally this next sentence, she turned out her own lights
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when she saw the silhouette of a man through the window of the club family home.
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Okay.
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So she's basically like, I don't want this guy to see me and get tipped off that like,
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somebody's aware of his presence or obviously come after her or, you know, I just thought
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the foresight with that, that's smart.
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Like in the moment, a lot of people wouldn't have thought of that.
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I think, wow, you'd like to think that you would in the moment do the things that, you
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know, help the situation and maybe don't make it worse by adding in another potential
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victim.
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Yes.
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I mean, who can say what they would do?
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Seriously, I was watching a documentary on horror movies last night.
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And that was one of the things is like, people always yell at the screen like, I would never
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do that.
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I would never be that stupid.
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Like you would always and forever be that dumb.
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Yeah, you probably would.
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Yeah, because I think a lot of us would, you wouldn't be Mrs. Stein, Steine Sifer.
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Steine Sifer.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Don't look at my notes because I don't know about the spelling here.
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That's a cool last name.
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Yeah.
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I know.
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I was like, yeah, your beer episode.
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Okay.
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So beer and Sifer.
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Sifer.
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Oh.
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Like a, like a cryptic code situation.
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I was like, okay.
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That is cool.
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I know.
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She aspires.
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That was so smart.
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No.
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Conspiracy.
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She was very German spy.
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Right.
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Oh, in 1947, I'm Yikes.
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She was cool though.
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Yeah.
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That was fine.
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The war was over.
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Just in case the title will be end up choosing for the episode isn't adequate enough of a
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giveaway regarding the nature of his crimes.
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They were absolutely brutal because, you know, the whole acts situation.
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Fucking bird.
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Fucking bird.
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Dirty bird.
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Such a bird.
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Ugh.
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He would end up facing charges for two murders.
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And though he would only be convicted for one, he reportedly claimed responsibility for
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up to 44.
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44?
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I don't think it's exactly a spoiler, but eventually the charges were brought for the slaying
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of these two women, Bertha and Beverly in their home the night before Halloween in 1947,
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which as previously mentioned has a super spooky vibe to it.
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To be honest, I had no idea about the Halloween connection.
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Again, just want to reiterate, wasn't looking for that, which I feel like now lady Doth
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protest too much, but I don't think so because we know she covered like Christmas crime during
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the summertime.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I just, I didn't realize in the name when I got to that point in my research, I was
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like, well, no time like the present spooky season.
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We don't plan a whole lot around here.
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Things just kind of happen.
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Yeah.
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They either happen or they just don't.
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They've been happening for, you know, almost four years now, so we've had a pretty good
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job.
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We've done okay for ourselves.
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We're not unimpressed.
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As I said previously, the crimes he detailed to law enforcement would make him, if his statements
508
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were truthful, one of the more prolific serial killers in US history.
509
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It's his MO in particular that is giving the Ick in this case.
510
00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:39,980
I mean, there's plenty of Ick with the sky.
511
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I mean, just be clear, but how he reportedly killed these women and other victims allegedly
512
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is just really brutal.
513
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He beat his victims with an axe or stab them because that's Axis or it's a real stabby
514
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weapon.
515
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Sharp.
516
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Yeah.
517
00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:07,900
It's just a gruesome and personal way to take another human's life.
518
00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:13,260
Not that there's a good way to do it to be clear, but I just feel like that always kind of
519
00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:21,500
gets to me because you're interacting with this person in the last moments of their life,
520
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literally fighting for their life and it's probably going to take more than one axe blow.
521
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It's like every single time you do that, you are making a conscious choice.
522
00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:41,660
That's the part that I feel like, you know, I don't know, you could just run away at a certain
523
00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:42,660
point.
524
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I feel like that's why it bothers me.
525
00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:49,580
Were you there to rob them?
526
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I mean, at Axe Point?
527
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Right.
528
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I mean, just seems, I don't know.
529
00:22:55,780 --> 00:23:03,620
Well, officers Andrew Sabutis, just quite a name.
530
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Sabutis.
531
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Sabutis.
532
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:10,340
It looks like it kind of the way that spelled is kind of like Sabutis.
533
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Sabutis.
534
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Sabutis.
535
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And Evan Skip Davies.
536
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No, slow himself.
537
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I like that name.
538
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Okay.
539
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I'm Evan Skip Davies.
540
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Yes, he is.
541
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You'll remember my name.
542
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I don't know why he got Southern-ish.
543
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They responded to the disturbance and found Jake fleeing the house, covered in blood.
544
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So he was like caught, literally, right?
545
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Yeah.
546
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Yeah.
547
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Yeah.
548
00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:49,220
A chase through neighborhood yards ensued, but he was finally subdued in an alley after
549
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injuring himself pretty badly.
550
00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:56,180
I mean, mainly just a flesh wound, but I would imagine it blood a lot.
551
00:23:56,180 --> 00:24:00,100
It sounds like he kind of dragged his face over.
552
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I just like, okay.
553
00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:06,340
Yeah, we all feel so bad.
554
00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:08,180
I hope it hurt.
555
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:09,180
I know.
556
00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:10,180
Yeah.
557
00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:18,180
Anyways, that might be where you'd expect him to surrender without additional struggle.
558
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And boy, would you be wrong.
559
00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:24,380
And like, isn't your whole face bleeding?
560
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He charged the pair of law enforcement officers, initially injuring both of them with the switchblade.
561
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:31,220
Holy shit.
562
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:32,220
Yeah.
563
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:38,860
The notice was stabbed in the shoulder and Evan's hand was slashed in the encounter.
564
00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:43,860
Sounds like somebody's going to need a shot, which funny enough, I learned was developed
565
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in the 1920s and widely used during World War One.
566
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:48,540
Oh, okay.
567
00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:50,580
So they did have a world war two.
568
00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:51,580
Oh, okay.
569
00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:52,580
Yeah.
570
00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:53,580
So they did have it though.
571
00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:54,580
They had the test shot.
572
00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:55,580
Yeah, okay.
573
00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:56,580
I had to know.
574
00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:57,580
Well, it was like pretty new, yeah.
575
00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:00,580
Well, no, it would have been around for almost 30 years.
576
00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:01,580
Yeah.
577
00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:07,380
They, I mean, they had widely used it during World War Two, which had ended just a couple
578
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,180
of years prior at this point.
579
00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:10,180
Okay.
580
00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:16,820
So I just, I felt like I needed to situate a couple of things for myself within the historical
581
00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:17,820
timeline.
582
00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:18,820
Yeah.
583
00:25:18,820 --> 00:25:19,820
A lot of hand gestures.
584
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:20,820
It's helping me.
585
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:21,820
It's helping me learn the timeline.
586
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:22,820
Yeah.
587
00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:24,660
So I'm really bad at like historical timelines.
588
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:27,460
Well, and there's certain things like a tetanus shot.
589
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:31,380
I mean, that has been around obviously for our entire lifetime.
590
00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:36,020
But when you come across these stories and you're like, oh, I thought to myself, oh, he's
591
00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:37,020
got to go get a tetanus shot.
592
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:40,540
And I was like, yeah, tetanus shots.
593
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,700
This is why I'm always like, did they have cards?
594
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:43,700
I know.
595
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:46,580
I need to know.
596
00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:51,700
I was pretty confident that I was like, I don't know the exact year.
597
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:56,500
Sabutus nailed him with a punch to the jaw and kicked him in the groin.
598
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Yeah.
599
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,100
Which is probably exactly what I would do to someone who had stabbed me in the shoulder
600
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,820
if I'm being honest.
601
00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:09,220
These moves were apparently very effective because officers, Sabutus, happened to be a prize
602
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:10,220
fighter.
603
00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:13,460
Oh my god, I was literally picturing him like doing.
604
00:26:13,460 --> 00:26:14,460
I know.
605
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:15,460
I'm like, poor.
606
00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:17,460
And then not karate.
607
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:18,460
Oh, kick.
608
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:21,460
I'm kicking under the table.
609
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:22,460
I can't see.
610
00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:23,460
Kick.
611
00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:30,020
And while I am not, I still have to insist that no one pushed their luck by even attempting
612
00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:31,020
to stab me.
613
00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:32,020
I'm just going to say something.
614
00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:33,020
I'm just going to say something.
615
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616
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617
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618
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619
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620
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621
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622
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623
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624
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625
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626
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627
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628
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629
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630
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631
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632
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633
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634
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635
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636
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637
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638
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639
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640
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641
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642
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643
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644
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645
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646
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647
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648
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649
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650
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651
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652
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653
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654
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655
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656
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657
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658
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659
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660
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661
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662
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663
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664
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665
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666
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667
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668
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669
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670
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671
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672
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673
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674
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675
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676
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677
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678
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679
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There info is in our show notes.
680
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:39,020
There info is in our show notes.
681
00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:40,020
There info is in our show notes.
682
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,020
There info is in our show notes.
683
00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:43,020
Unfortunately, the officers had been too late
684
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:47,020
Unfortunately, the officers had been too late to save Bertha and Beverly.
685
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:48,020
Bertha and Beverly.
686
00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:49,020
I know.
687
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,020
Well, we knew that was coming.
688
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,020
I know. Well, we knew that was coming.
689
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:52,020
I know.
690
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:53,020
Well, we knew that was coming.
691
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,020
Yeah, but still.
692
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,020
Okay, this next part.
693
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:56,020
Okay, this next part.
694
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:57,020
You didn't know this was coming.
695
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:58,020
But here she is.
696
00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:00,020
Bertha's head had been battered.
697
00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:01,020
Bertha's head had been battered.
698
00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:02,020
Bertha's head had been battered.
699
00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:03,020
Bertha's head had been battered.
700
00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:04,020
Bertha's head had been battered.
701
00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:07,020
She could be too late to get battered.
702
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,020
She could be too late to get battered.
703
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,020
She could be too late to get battered.
704
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She could be too late to get battered.
705
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She could be too late to get battered.
706
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She could be too late to get battered.
707
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She could be too late to get battered.
708
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She could be too late to get battered.
709
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She could be too late to get battered.
710
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711
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She could be too late to get battered.
712
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She could be too late to get battered.
713
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She could be too late to get battered.
714
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She could be too late to get battered.
715
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716
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717
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718
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719
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720
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721
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722
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723
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724
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725
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726
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She could be too late to get battered.
727
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728
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729
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730
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731
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She could be too late to get battered.
732
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She could be too late to get battered.
733
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734
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735
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She could be too late to get battered.
736
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737
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She could be too late to get battered.
738
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She could be too late to get battered.
739
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She could be too late to get battered.
740
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She could be too late to get battered.
741
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She could be too late to get battered.
742
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743
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744
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She could be too late to get battered.
745
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She could be too late to get battered.
746
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She could be too late to get battered.
747
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She could be too late to get battered.
748
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She could be too late to get battered.
749
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She could be too late to get battered.
750
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She could be too late to get battered.
751
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752
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753
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She could be too late to get battered.
754
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She could be too late to get battered.
755
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756
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She could be too late to get battered.
757
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758
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She could be too late to get battered.
759
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760
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She could be too late to get battered.
761
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762
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She could be too late to get battered.
763
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She could be too late to get battered.
764
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765
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She could be too late to get battered.
766
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767
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She could be too late to get battered.
768
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She could be too late to get battered.
769
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770
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She could be too late to get battered.
771
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She could be too late to get battered.
772
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,020
She could be too late to get battered.
773
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:51,020
She could be too late to get battered.
774
00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:52,020
She could be too late to get battered.
775
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:53,020
She could be too late to get battered.
776
00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:54,020
She could be too late to get battered.
777
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:55,020
She could be too late to get battered.
778
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:56,020
She could be too late to get battered.
779
00:29:56,020 --> 00:29:57,020
She could be too late to get battered.
780
00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:58,020
She could be too late to get battered.
781
00:29:58,020 --> 00:29:59,020
She could be too late to get battered.
782
00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:00,020
She could be too late to get battered.
783
00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:00,020
She could be too late to get battered.
784
00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:10,020
This story kind of makes him sound like a real dumbass at first glance.
785
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:17,020
However, he was such a good liar that Lyon said he was almost tempted to believe his story.
786
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:22,020
Until they processed one particular piece of forensic evidence.
787
00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:26,020
And at this point, I'm going, I'm sorry, processing forensic evidence.
788
00:30:26,020 --> 00:30:27,020
Really?
789
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:28,020
What?
790
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,020
What kind of processing?
791
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:31,020
1940s of it all.
792
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:37,020
The pans he had been wearing apparently were found to be littered with brain matter.
793
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:42,020
When they were processed, but then 1940s era CSI team.
794
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:48,020
So I don't know what their process for identifying brain matter was at that point in history.
795
00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:50,020
But they had little microscopes, right?
796
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:52,020
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
797
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:54,020
But wowsers.
798
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,020
That is so horrible.
799
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,020
Wowsers all over your trousers.
800
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:57,020
That is.
801
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:58,020
Cute.
802
00:30:58,020 --> 00:30:59,020
Yeah, progressed.
803
00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:05,020
Also, Lyon is going to believe all that.
804
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:06,020
Lyon.
805
00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:07,020
I know.
806
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:08,020
Lyon.
807
00:31:08,020 --> 00:31:09,020
Come on.
808
00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:10,020
Yeah.
809
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:15,020
Only after this was brought to his attention, did he confess to the killings?
810
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:19,020
He's like, oh, I guess they kind of had me like, you know, red handed.
811
00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:21,020
I mean, they already did.
812
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:24,020
But then, you know, like again, they're like, yeah, no.
813
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:26,020
But what, like we know you did.
814
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:27,020
We know you did it.
815
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:29,020
He had brains on your pants.
816
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,020
Yeah.
817
00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:31,020
Where did that come from?
818
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:32,020
Yeah.
819
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:38,220
Listen, if you have a smother, totally reasonable explanation for that, we are all ears.
820
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:43,460
At the time of his arrest, he already had quite the rap sheet, including Berglery's assaults
821
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:48,020
and attempted murder, just in case anyone straight to jail.
822
00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:49,020
What?
823
00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:52,020
38, wait, how many years have it been?
824
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:55,020
31 out of the 45.
825
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:56,020
Insanity.
826
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:59,020
31, like October 31st to Halloween.
827
00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:01,260
It's funny you mentioned that.
828
00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:07,020
He was charged on October 31st, 1947 with Bertha's murder.
829
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:09,020
Literally the next day.
830
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:13,020
Okay, I was like, wait, is this the next year or literally the next day?
831
00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,020
The next day.
832
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:15,020
Yeah.
833
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:19,020
Wow, they did that processing of the brain matter really fast.
834
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:24,020
Well, they were like, they immediately had his clothing, they had him in university.
835
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:28,020
And they're like, yeah, that's definitely brain matter.
836
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:29,020
Wow.
837
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:37,220
In order to qualify for the death penalty, the prosecution would need to prove that her death
838
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:41,580
was the result of a premeditated murder.
839
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:48,180
Bird was held in the Tacoma City jail without bail until trial after pleading not guilty
840
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:50,180
at his agreement.
841
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:52,940
Just certainly a plea that you could enter.
842
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:54,940
Didn't he confess?
843
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:58,740
And then he was just kidding, not guilty.
844
00:32:58,740 --> 00:33:01,980
A lot of people confess and then still plead not guilty.
845
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,180
That's not necessarily unique, but it's kind of like, bro.
846
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:07,180
Yeah, bro.
847
00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:13,220
I mean, I guess it depends on how the confession was extracted from the person, but they didn't
848
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:14,220
have to work that hard.
849
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:15,220
Yeah, trust me.
850
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:17,740
It didn't sound like it.
851
00:33:17,740 --> 00:33:25,620
This trial began on November 24th, 1947 in the Pierce County Superior Court, only lasting
852
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:27,340
two and a half days.
853
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,180
So are doing things wrong, like so fast.
854
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:32,740
Trials were just so much quicker back then, seemingly.
855
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:34,740
They probably had less of them, you know?
856
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:35,740
Yeah, maybe.
857
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:39,420
Yeah, I think that tracks.
858
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:44,780
His attorney supposedly asked for not only a change of venue, but to be removed from
859
00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:46,980
the trial as his counsel.
860
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:48,980
Not why?
861
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:57,540
Um, it's not perhaps totally clear, but he really didn't, he just did not want, he didn't
862
00:33:57,540 --> 00:33:58,980
want anything to do with the trial.
863
00:33:58,980 --> 00:33:59,980
I do.
864
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:00,980
Who would?
865
00:34:00,980 --> 00:34:05,780
Like, especially back then, how many of those people have you had to like defend?
866
00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:07,700
Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
867
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:11,300
I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't say exactly what the track record was.
868
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:16,740
I mean, I, maybe I, maybe I'll look into it, but the judge denied both.
869
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:23,020
So that had to have made for some pretty awkward interactions thereafter.
870
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:29,980
I feel like that's like a huge like, um, what am I trying to say?
871
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:36,020
Yeah, I, you know, it's not really, um, it's not really a conflict of interest per
872
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:37,020
say.
873
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:41,860
Yeah, that's what my brain was thinking, but something like, yeah, it's almost setting him
874
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:43,420
up for an appeal though.
875
00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:46,700
Yeah, that's because he's, you know, it seems like it's setting him up for the trial.
876
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:50,220
The defense that he had, you know, inadequate counsel.
877
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:53,580
Yeah, because if someone doesn't want to defend you, are they going to do a job defending
878
00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:54,580
you?
879
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:55,580
Probably not.
880
00:34:55,580 --> 00:35:01,980
He did make some statements and you're like, bro, bro, this is your attorney.
881
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:02,980
Yeah.
882
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:03,980
Mm-hmm.
883
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:10,220
Yeah, but I mean, also we all know you're guilty, but also this man's life is on the line.
884
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:14,260
You know, if you don't defend him well, it's the difference between life and prison
885
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:19,580
and, you know, the death penalty, which they tended to carry out a lot.
886
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:26,340
Or back then, which is, you know, sitting around in jail for 40 years, waiting to die.
887
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:28,380
No.
888
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:34,900
Later in court, birds attorney, James W. Seldon, apparently only begrudgingly representing
889
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:42,020
him, maintained that his signed confession had been obtained under duress and was therefore
890
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:44,620
inadmissible.
891
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:45,620
Okay.
892
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:52,420
I mean, if you consider being presented the fact that there's brains on your pants, duress,
893
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:58,420
maybe, but I would be in duress at that point.
894
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:03,460
But mostly I'd be like, how did they get my pants and why are there brains on them?
895
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:05,100
We just live very different lives.
896
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,100
Yeah.
897
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,100
Jake and I.
898
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,100
Yeah.
899
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,100
I hope so.
900
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:18,100
Judge Edward D. Hodg, however, disagreed, admitting the confession into evidence.
901
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:24,980
So, you know, there's, there's like a little hinting about, you know, maybe some old time
902
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:31,860
e-racism because I don't know if I certainly haven't mentioned it up to this point.
903
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:35,420
But I'm curious if you knew about this case.
904
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:37,420
Jake Bird was a black man.
905
00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:38,420
Yes.
906
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:39,420
I know that.
907
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:40,420
Okay.
908
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:45,420
And I haven't asked or said anything because I knew maybe there was going to be a, there's a big
909
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:46,420
review.
910
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:47,420
Yeah, there's a big review.
911
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:50,900
This is part of the two paragraphs that I read about this case.
912
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:51,900
Right.
913
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:52,900
Yeah.
914
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:53,900
Okay.
915
00:36:53,900 --> 00:37:03,220
On November 26, 1947, after deliberating for only 35 minutes, which is an insanely short time
916
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:04,860
by today's standards.
917
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:05,860
Seriously.
918
00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:07,300
Yeah.
919
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:13,460
The jury found Jake Bird guilty of first-degree murder and recommended the death penalty before
920
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:14,460
the court.
921
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:15,460
Wow.
922
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:16,460
In 35 minutes.
923
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,460
Yeah.
924
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:24,460
Well, remember, this is only the one murder because this, this is something that still can
925
00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:31,140
be done today, but it was very common at this point in history from what I have like
926
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:34,300
read and what I came across in my research.
927
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:41,140
They would, in a multiple murder scenario, they would frequently hold charges for the additional
928
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:45,980
victims just so that it's like, okay, if for some reason they don't find him guilty of
929
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:52,700
this murder, we're going to, because if you put them all together, then you can be in
930
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:54,860
a double jeopardy situation.
931
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:55,860
Okay.
932
00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:59,060
If he's found not guilty, then they can't go after him again.
933
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:04,740
But if there's a separate crime, it's all about how you classify.
934
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:07,580
It's basically it's the administrative side of law.
935
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:08,580
It makes sense to me.
936
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:09,580
Yeah.
937
00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:12,420
And I feel like it's not, I don't know, this is just how I feel.
938
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:18,420
It's not really fair to put all of the separate people who are murdered in the same trial.
939
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:21,300
I just feel like they, yeah, I think you see it.
940
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:22,300
You did two different things.
941
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,540
You deserved two different fucking punishments in all the trials.
942
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:33,540
I do think it is unusual compared to what I think we see and sort of experience in a more
943
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:38,820
modern era, because these were two women that were killed in the same encounter.
944
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:43,100
They were, you know, familial victims.
945
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:44,700
I don't think you see that a lot.
946
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:51,380
I think it's very common when there are, you know, when it's a spree killer or a serial
947
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:57,620
killer, you will see instances where they separate crimes that occurred on different dates.
948
00:38:57,620 --> 00:39:02,060
Because again, yeah, if we can't get them on this, we want to get them on that, you know,
949
00:39:02,060 --> 00:39:07,700
a separate murder or other crime, whatever the case may be, because we want to put this
950
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:08,700
person away.
951
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:09,700
Yeah.
952
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,220
So they're no longer a danger to people.
953
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:13,220
So I don't know.
954
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:19,860
It's kind of complicated because I do think sometimes you look at how people are charged
955
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:27,420
and it can be really upsetting how they will stack things or, you know, separate out different
956
00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:31,700
instances and try to like maximize penalties.
957
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:34,420
I feel like in this instance, I don't take issue with it.
958
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:35,420
Yeah.
959
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:46,620
But, you know, there are people that will never leave prison who have multiple crimes related
960
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,340
to like marijuana.
961
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:55,140
People how you want about, you know, that I know not everybody thinks it's just fine or whatever.
962
00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:58,020
And that's your own personal choice.
963
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:05,740
But, you know, to put somebody away for life from there, wow.
964
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:07,820
For something that grows out of the fucking ground.
965
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:08,820
Yeah.
966
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,860
I mean, I'm just cocaine technically, but-
967
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:13,500
I think you may process the shit out of it.
968
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,500
It's different.
969
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:15,500
They sure do.
970
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,500
They sure do.
971
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:17,500
Yeah.
972
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:22,140
I'm not going to be curious about the process.
973
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:23,940
Another very violent show.
974
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:24,940
So back to sentencing.
975
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:26,740
That's where we're at.
976
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:33,780
The judge sentenced him to be hanged at the Washington State Penitentiary on January 16,
977
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:36,660
1948.
978
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:41,580
After his conviction was announced, bird was allowed to make a final statement, which I
979
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:44,540
feel like almost never turns out good.
980
00:40:44,540 --> 00:40:45,860
But holy shit.
981
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:48,020
This is the part I was telling you.
982
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:53,980
You guys, this case was already like working out to be like, oh, spooky season.
983
00:40:53,980 --> 00:40:58,300
He's like charged on the 31st and then this shit.
984
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:04,740
He spoke for about 20 minutes, noting that his request to represent himself had been denied
985
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:08,700
and that his own lawyers were against him.
986
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,980
In hindsight, it's kind of like, where's the lie?
987
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:12,540
They said that they were.
988
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:13,540
Yeah.
989
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:15,540
Apparently nobody really cared.
990
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:17,540
A little bit of casual racism.
991
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:18,620
You could see that too.
992
00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:22,780
But in this case, he literally was caught with blood and brain matter all over him.
993
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:29,900
Like dude, how hard do you want this poor public defender who's come on?
994
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:32,660
Bird then said, are you ready for this?
995
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:36,260
I don't think I am at all.
996
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:43,500
I'm putting the Jake Bird Hex on all of you who had anything to do with my being punished.
997
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:48,140
Mark my words, you will die before I do.
998
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:51,540
I do remember this now.
999
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,860
This is why it's in spooky articles.
1000
00:41:54,860 --> 00:42:01,340
Allegedly, six people connected with the trial died in relatively quick succession.
1001
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:02,340
No.
1002
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,340
Okay.
1003
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:09,380
Everything I only say allegedly because I wonder sometimes if things get sort of, you know,
1004
00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:18,340
low-notive proportion or it becomes like this like almost a mythical proportion like a legend.
1005
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:21,980
And if he's saying he had said, I am hexing you.
1006
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:25,020
So people are like watching out for it.
1007
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:29,380
You know, it's like seeing 9/11 on the clock all the time because you know that number.
1008
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:30,380
Yeah.
1009
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:31,380
But he had all the time.
1010
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:35,420
Everything that I have come across indicates that this actually happened.
1011
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:36,420
Holy shit.
1012
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:37,420
Like multiple.
1013
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:44,780
I'm confident that several people died.
1014
00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:47,980
And I'm gonna tell you about him.
1015
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:54,420
The first to go was Judge Edward D. Hodg who sent in Spurred to death.
1016
00:42:54,420 --> 00:43:00,120
He died of a heart attack not long after the conviction as did one of the officers who
1017
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,700
took Bird's initial confession.
1018
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,700
So here.
1019
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:12,780
Another police officer who took a subsequent confession also died of a heart attack.
1020
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:14,540
What are they eating though?
1021
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:15,540
Wow.
1022
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:16,540
A lot.
1023
00:43:16,540 --> 00:43:19,540
I mean McDonald's wasn't a thing back then, right?
1024
00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:22,140
I don't think they come around in the 1950s.
1025
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:25,980
But a lot of really like it's very meat and potatoes diet.
1026
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:28,180
A lot of things cooked him butter.
1027
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:29,180
Okay.
1028
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:30,180
Definitely.
1029
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:35,100
I mean the fact that it's like all heart attacks is like kind of freaky.
1030
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:41,540
I tell you think about like yeah, the average life expectancy for a man think about the diet.
1031
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:43,540
And yeah, that's a not.
1032
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:47,340
I want to see these two women wait to die, especially in this era.
1033
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:48,340
Yeah.
1034
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:49,340
Or man.
1035
00:43:49,340 --> 00:43:50,340
But still it is so freaky.
1036
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:51,340
Very freaky.
1037
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:57,940
Then there was the court clerk who passed away from pneumonia as well as one of Bird's prison
1038
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:02,380
guards also from a heart attack.
1039
00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:11,500
Last but not least, JW Selden, one of Bird's lawyers died on the first anniversary of his
1040
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:12,740
sentencing.
1041
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:16,020
That's fucking weird.
1042
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:18,220
That's the weirder to me than all of the other.
1043
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:19,220
Yes.
1044
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:20,220
Yes.
1045
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:25,620
Like girl, I think Jake Bird, that bitch is a witch.
1046
00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:26,620
When was he sentents again?
1047
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:29,220
Was that the Halloween or was that different?
1048
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:30,220
No.
1049
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:31,220
Okay.
1050
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:32,220
No.
1051
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:38,180
One of the most chilling statements about this story came from the defense attorney who
1052
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:46,460
said, "My heart does not beat with sympathy for this man."
1053
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:51,660
Then he dies of a heart attack like many of the others involved in this case.
1054
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:52,900
That's crazy.
1055
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:53,900
Did you get chills?
1056
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:54,900
I did.
1057
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,900
I definitely did.
1058
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:58,900
I have chills.
1059
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,900
Breaky, right?
1060
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,540
That's really weird.
1061
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:08,500
He specifically makes a statement about his heart.
1062
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,980
That is so creepy.
1063
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:16,060
I do like the researcher in me though wants to be like, "Okay, can we look at another guy
1064
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:20,900
who is convicted or whatever and see how many of the people attached to that died?"
1065
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,820
I just want to know the stats.
1066
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:25,860
Obviously impossible.
1067
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:30,980
I do, well, not necessarily.
1068
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:32,980
Probably this isn't unusual.
1069
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,900
It's an anomalous situation.
1070
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:40,420
I feel like there's too many people that died close to his case for it not to get attention,
1071
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:45,980
especially after he literally releases a hex in a courtroom.
1072
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:46,980
Yeah.
1073
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:49,180
Like, yeah, people are going to be paying attention.
1074
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:51,020
They're going to be keeping track.
1075
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:59,540
But also, this kind of not proves, but it helps support just speaking things into existence.
1076
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:08,020
He might not have really been like a witch or really, but if you just speak it into existence
1077
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:11,860
and you have, he had a lot of passion for it, I'm sure.
1078
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:16,740
So, that's like a big part of the way to win the lottery.
1079
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:20,740
You've got to keep speaking it and actually believe it.
1080
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:24,020
And probably also buy a lottery ticket.
1081
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:25,020
Yeah.
1082
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:26,020
OK.
1083
00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:27,020
Lottery is a hard one.
1084
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:28,020
Yeah.
1085
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:29,020
It's such a one.
1086
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:30,020
But other things, I feel like are easier to manifest the lottery.
1087
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:31,020
That makes sense.
1088
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:32,420
I feel like that's fair.
1089
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:33,660
Yeah.
1090
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:43,300
The governor at the time, Munrad C. Walgren, allowed his 60-day reprieve from bird sentence.
1091
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,340
Why, you might ask?
1092
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:52,100
Well, because bird claimed that he could clear up at least 44 other murders that he either
1093
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:57,980
committed or participated in during his travels across the country.
1094
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,980
Wow.
1095
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:06,540
Of course, there was no shortage of investigators eager to interview him at the state penitentiary.
1096
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:09,700
They came from all over the country.
1097
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:18,940
Of the 44 murders that he allegedly said he commit, only 11 were substantiated.
1098
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:25,220
But he reportedly had enough knowledge about many of the others to be considered the prime
1099
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:26,220
suspect.
1100
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:27,220
Wow.
1101
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:31,660
Like, why is he doing that, though?
1102
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:32,900
What else has he got to lose?
1103
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,660
I mean, it did get him a reprieve from the death penalty.
1104
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:36,660
It's true.
1105
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:43,220
The 70s and 60s at the minimum police in several states took the opportunity to close the books
1106
00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:47,260
on many of their unsolved murders.
1107
00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:55,740
In his travels, bird murdered people, mostly women, in and around the following areas.
1108
00:47:55,740 --> 00:48:05,700
Louisville Kentucky, Omaha, Nebraska, Kansas City, Kansas, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, Cleveland,
1109
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:16,980
Ohio, Orlando, Florida, as well as the states of Illinois, Iowa, Oklahoma, other victims outside
1110
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:21,820
of Orlando in Florida, Michigan, and Ohio.
1111
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:25,220
Oh, sorry, there's more Wisconsin.
1112
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:31,940
And, of course, the state of Washington, reportedly in the city of Portage, in addition to the crimes
1113
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:32,940
in Tacoma.
1114
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:36,460
God, he was just all over the place.
1115
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:39,220
Yeah, it's a lot.
1116
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:48,780
Now, there was a lot of focus on the fact that he primarily killed white women.
1117
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:57,660
I think women are primarily victims of crime.
1118
00:48:57,660 --> 00:49:00,900
It's both women of color and white women.
1119
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:04,260
It's obviously transgender.
1120
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:08,380
There are, there's a lot of qualifiers with that.
1121
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:19,580
I think for the time, what that does is stir up this sort of hysteria that there's this
1122
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:21,380
crazed black man.
1123
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:26,820
And they've already made a point of saying that he was attempting to sexually assault Bertha.
1124
00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:33,740
So it creates this sort of moral panic about that there's crazed black man that's attacking
1125
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:40,780
white women, which particularly in some parts of the country, that is the type of stuff
1126
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:45,180
that really endangers other people of color.
1127
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:46,180
Yeah.
1128
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:48,060
That felt pretty icky.
1129
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:51,620
But how many friggin white dudes do the same exact thing?
1130
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:52,620
Right.
1131
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:53,620
Like it's back then.
1132
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:54,620
Yeah.
1133
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:56,460
Also now, probably in the future.
1134
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:57,460
Yeah.
1135
00:49:57,460 --> 00:49:58,940
Just be scared of all men.
1136
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:59,940
Yeah.
1137
00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:00,940
Never meet a man.
1138
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:01,940
Yeah.
1139
00:50:01,940 --> 00:50:03,180
Never meet a man.
1140
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:08,740
In the meantime, Bertha appealed his conviction to the Washington State Supreme Court,
1141
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:13,060
but his petition for a retrial was denied.
1142
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:20,900
The U.S. Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court also rejected his petitions for a new trial.
1143
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:26,980
I just wonder if they took longer than 35 minutes that the jury did to consider his case.
1144
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:28,780
They didn't say, yeah.
1145
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:29,780
I'm not sure.
1146
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:39,700
I probably get a look into it, but usually those particular entities or bodies within the
1147
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:45,380
legal system, you're talking about like a month's long review.
1148
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:48,340
But you know, not that I'm shedding any tears for Jake Berk.
1149
00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:49,340
Yeah.
1150
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:52,420
It sounds like a real dick.
1151
00:50:52,420 --> 00:51:00,660
On July 14, 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review Bertha's conviction for the third
1152
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:02,160
time.
1153
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,660
And Governor Arthur B. Langley.
1154
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:08,740
I love how everybody's using their middle initials.
1155
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:12,460
He chose not to interfere with the execution.
1156
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:15,220
And by this time, it was fast approaching.
1157
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:16,900
Or well, it would have been.
1158
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:23,220
But of course, appeals and the rest of the whole legal process slows things down.
1159
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:24,220
Even back then.
1160
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:25,220
Even back then.
1161
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:30,820
I mean, it's slow relative to like they convicted him in 35 minutes.
1162
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:35,620
So they're like, why is this man not dead yet?
1163
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:37,380
Little too eager for that stuff.
1164
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:38,380
I feel like.
1165
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:44,420
I mean, I do think it does have a lot to do with the racial aspect of this case.
1166
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:47,940
Yeah, I think you can't ignore that.
1167
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:58,220
I do think that it is a case where oftentimes we would see in a similar case, you know, perhaps
1168
00:51:58,220 --> 00:52:03,460
a coerce confession, you might see an instance of police brutality.
1169
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:08,980
And I just don't know that we really find that in this instance.
1170
00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:12,380
It's also really hard to be able to document that.
1171
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:22,020
Yeah, posthumously, but yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't seem like that's the case.
1172
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:25,900
Doesn't mean that there isn't still racism involved.
1173
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:26,900
Yeah.
1174
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:34,900
Finally, early Friday morning on July 15, 1949 at the Washington State Penitentiary in
1175
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,700
Walla Walla.
1176
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:43,420
The word was taken from his cell conveniently located on the same level as the gallows
1177
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:46,820
to be placed in the news for his execution.
1178
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:52,820
Wait, the gallows were like in the same area as he was being held.
1179
00:52:52,820 --> 00:52:55,220
Apparently, holy shit.
1180
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:59,180
I don't know if it was visible from his cell or not.
1181
00:52:59,180 --> 00:53:01,020
That would be fucked.
1182
00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:02,660
Pretty horrifying thought.
1183
00:53:02,660 --> 00:53:07,660
Like, hey, this is just like having an Ace of You of your fucking future.
1184
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:13,060
Just got nurse set up for ya.
1185
00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:21,620
Which was witnessed by over a hundred spectators at 1220 AM when the gallows trap door was released.
1186
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:26,020
Jake Bird dropped five feet to his death.
1187
00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:32,620
After 14 minutes, his body was taken down and prison physician Dr. Elmer Hill pronounced
1188
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:34,620
him dead.
1189
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:39,820
He was buried in an unmarked grave in the prison cemetery.
1190
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:43,940
Identified only as Confect Number 21520.
1191
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:46,700
Holy shit.
1192
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:55,100
His remaining personal fortune, a whopping $6.15, which actually was more money than it
1193
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:56,260
sounds like now.
1194
00:53:56,260 --> 00:54:01,740
But was willed by Bird to Murray Taggart.
1195
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:05,820
The Walla Walla attorney who filed his appeals.
1196
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:06,820
Wow.
1197
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:11,940
I don't know what the average cost for billable hours was back then, but I'm guessing that
1198
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:14,420
would have been a drop in the bucket.
1199
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:17,060
So hopefully this guy was on salary with state.
1200
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:18,060
Wow.
1201
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:20,260
That is interesting, though.
1202
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,260
It is.
1203
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:22,660
We lost it to this guy.
1204
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:23,660
Yeah.
1205
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:25,660
Like the only guy who seemed to be helping him out.
1206
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:26,660
Yeah.
1207
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:32,100
Well, and one thing that's really interesting about his case and it's kind of hard to find
1208
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:39,460
the exact right spot to sort of drop in this information, but I came across that like
1209
00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:42,780
he wanted to represent himself on the front end of the case.
1210
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,820
Obviously, we talked about that.
1211
00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:53,260
He also continued to research and study law books and he actually became well known in
1212
00:54:53,260 --> 00:55:01,100
prison as being someone that other inmates went to, you know, to try to get legal advice.
1213
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:02,100
That's very interesting.
1214
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,100
Yeah.
1215
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:04,100
Yeah.
1216
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:08,540
And it seems like he was very intelligent and actually became very knowledgeable about the
1217
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:11,180
law, which is kind of horrifying.
1218
00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:14,180
It's like a year and yeah.
1219
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:15,180
Yeah.
1220
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:16,180
I don't know.
1221
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:17,180
Yeah.
1222
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:20,580
But I mean, you know, you're someone fighting for your life essentially.
1223
00:55:20,580 --> 00:55:21,580
Yeah.
1224
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:29,140
Jake Bird was the 63rd prisoner and the 7th African American to be executed in Washington
1225
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:34,980
state since the death penalty was established in 1904.
1226
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:40,500
Though, of course, we know that the last person to be executed in the state of Washington
1227
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,300
was Cal Coburn Brown.
1228
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:44,300
Mmm.
1229
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:45,300
We covered some time ago.
1230
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,300
Yes.
1231
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:47,300
Search for it.
1232
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:48,300
Yeah.
1233
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:55,260
I can't say I was sad to see him go, but capital punishment has been formally abolished in
1234
00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:58,940
Washington for about the last year and a half.
1235
00:55:58,940 --> 00:56:00,660
Really just last year and a half?
1236
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:01,660
I was shocked.
1237
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:04,060
Oh, I was shocked too.
1238
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:09,500
Normally, it's like Washington does something or it's like California and or Washington kind
1239
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,100
of go first and then it's Oregon.
1240
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:15,500
Oregon has actually had it abolished for longer.
1241
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:16,500
Is my understanding.
1242
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,500
Interesting.
1243
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:21,740
Maybe that's why we learned I was thinking because we live here in a house.
1244
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:22,740
Yeah.
1245
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:23,740
Yeah.
1246
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:26,100
How about that hex, though?
1247
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:27,100
Am I right?
1248
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:28,100
Dude.
1249
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:32,340
It's turned out to be a pretty wild one if I do say so in the style.
1250
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:36,540
I feel like we're, we have to change our name to Haunts, Homicides, and Hexes now.
1251
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:37,540
Yeah.
1252
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:38,860
Ooh, I like that.
1253
00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:39,860
That's.
1254
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:42,180
Shall we do some tarot?
1255
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:43,940
Yeah, let's do some tarot.
1256
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:44,940
We won't hex you.
1257
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:45,940
We promise.
1258
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:47,940
Unless you're a murderer.
1259
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:48,940
Yeah.
1260
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:49,940
Probably that we would.
1261
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:50,940
Unless you're creepy.
1262
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:51,940
Yeah.
1263
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:52,940
Not the good creepy.
1264
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:53,940
Yeah.
1265
00:56:53,940 --> 00:57:05,540
Okay, now I'm handing the deck to Caitlyn so she could put her magical shuffling powers and
1266
00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:06,940
then pull a card.
1267
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:08,940
Oh boy.
1268
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:12,340
For the spooky Halloweeny.
1269
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:16,180
That was pretty good.
1270
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:17,180
That was good for you.
1271
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:18,180
Like the energy of that.
1272
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:19,180
Oh, shut up.
1273
00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:20,180
I'm just kidding.
1274
00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:21,180
It was good energy.
1275
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:22,180
I felt it.
1276
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:23,180
Okay.
1277
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:29,820
I'm gonna spread them out so that you can help me spread those legs.
1278
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:30,820
The cards.
1279
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:31,820
I mean cards.
1280
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:33,320
She's ways.
1281
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,220
Where do you think you are?
1282
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:36,220
Okay.
1283
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:45,220
Take in here or first first instinct for your point of finger is.
1284
00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:48,540
Oh, what?
1285
00:57:48,540 --> 00:57:50,540
It's a bird you guys.
1286
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:51,540
Bird.
1287
00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:54,420
Of course it's a fucking bird.
1288
00:57:54,420 --> 00:57:56,900
Cause Jake fucking bird.
1289
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:57,900
And it's a sword.
1290
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:59,220
It's three of swords.
1291
00:57:59,220 --> 00:58:02,020
It's the one with the swords piercing the heart.
1292
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:06,620
And this imagery it is a dead bird on top of Rose Petals.
1293
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:08,220
Delayful.
1294
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:14,540
And he's got kind of like an orangey head which like pumpkins.
1295
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:16,660
She's like everything spice.
1296
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:17,860
Everything pumpkin spice.
1297
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:19,860
Halloween, you know.
1298
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:21,060
Oh my gosh.
1299
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:22,060
Okay.
1300
00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:23,060
Yeah.
1301
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:27,860
I was visualizing the right card when you said it's like stabbing through the heart.
1302
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:31,820
It's literally three swords through a heart.
1303
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:32,820
Yeah.
1304
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:36,380
It's one of the ones where the imagery is like pretty you know scary for people who aren't
1305
00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:37,380
used to tarot.
1306
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:38,380
But yeah.
1307
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:40,700
It's totally fits.
1308
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:44,300
Or for some people that maybe even are.
1309
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:45,300
Okay.
1310
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:46,300
Alright.
1311
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:57,540
So our keywords are suffering, heartache, regret, grieving, sorrow and loss.
1312
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:58,540
All of it.
1313
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:05,340
It's interesting because we're talking about the death of widow and her daughter.
1314
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:08,380
So they've already grieved a loss.
1315
00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:16,980
And it from what I was reading in my research, it sounded like not recent in the sense of like
1316
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:21,660
in the last six months or anything, but it had been I think in the last couple of years
1317
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:26,860
that her husband and the daughter's father had passed away.
1318
00:59:26,860 --> 00:59:32,060
And then like the family that's left behind, oh my, well they lost three people.
1319
00:59:32,060 --> 00:59:33,060
Yeah.
1320
00:59:33,060 --> 00:59:34,060
It's the three of swords.
1321
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:35,220
They're extended family.
1322
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:36,220
Yeah.
1323
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:37,220
Wow.
1324
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:41,020
That is really interesting because I was like well he had like the two victims that we sort
1325
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:45,780
of talked about, but that makes so much sense.
1326
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:50,540
Just looking at this heart with three swords piercing it is painful.
1327
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:52,900
One of the saddest cards in the tarot.
1328
00:59:52,900 --> 01:00:00,500
It symbolizes deep emotional pain, heartbreak and a real or perceived tragedy.
1329
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:05,700
You may not manage to avoid the suffering indicated by the three of swords.
1330
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:12,380
However, the card advises separating true grief from self pity.
1331
01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:14,620
It's interesting.
1332
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:17,380
And I think I drew this actually in the reverse.
1333
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:18,380
Did you?
1334
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:19,380
Yeah.
1335
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:20,380
I need to…
1336
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:22,380
You handed it to me upright.
1337
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:23,380
I did.
1338
01:00:23,380 --> 01:00:24,380
I think I flipped it.
1339
01:00:24,380 --> 01:00:25,380
Oh my god.
1340
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:28,380
Now I feel like I need to roll back the tape.
1341
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:31,980
I thought we hold it up.
1342
01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:33,780
I mean either way.
1343
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:34,780
Yeah.
1344
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:35,780
We flip it.
1345
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:39,580
Because the bird is upside down technically on the right side up.
1346
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:40,580
Yeah.
1347
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:41,580
I think it was reverse.
1348
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:42,580
You did.
1349
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:44,580
Looking at it, I think I…
1350
01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:45,580
Yeah.
1351
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:46,580
Okay.
1352
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:47,580
It's kind of…
1353
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:52,260
I don't know why the image popped into my head of like hanging because it is like…
1354
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:54,260
It would be head up.
1355
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:55,260
Yeah.
1356
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:57,260
I don't know why.
1357
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:58,260
Ooh.
1358
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,260
Okay.
1359
01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:00,260
Well, okay.
1360
01:01:00,260 --> 01:01:05,100
I'm going to read the reverse interpretation first, but I think we should read both just so
1361
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:09,100
that we can see kind of the impact of each maybe.
1362
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:10,100
Okay.
1363
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:16,420
There's an extra excerpt in between the two interpretations.
1364
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:25,500
The soul is a diamond in the rough, which must abide the blows inflicted by suffering in
1365
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:30,220
order to shine in all its brilliance.
1366
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:33,420
And that's from like water for chocolate.
1367
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:35,540
Oh.
1368
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:42,460
The reversed three of swords is actually less problematic and severe than the upright three.
1369
01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:43,460
Hmm.
1370
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:44,460
It's interesting.
1371
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:50,900
It suggests you're making more of an unhappy situation than necessary or that a disappointment
1372
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:55,580
is temporary, not the end of the world.
1373
01:01:55,580 --> 01:02:00,860
Perhaps the truth hurts, but once you face it, you can improve things.
1374
01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:05,420
Pull yourself together and get on with your life.
1375
01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:10,700
In a reading about money, you may harbor regrets about what might have been or you're
1376
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:14,300
chastising yourself for a bad decision.
1377
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:20,620
The reversed three recommends letting go of blame and guilt, repairing damage and starting
1378
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:23,140
anew.
1379
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:31,940
I feel like part of me just at a glance thought, oh, no, maybe I did pull this in the upright,
1380
01:02:31,940 --> 01:02:39,900
but I feel like nothing is stronger for me than like seeing the card and that visual representation
1381
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:45,380
and seeing in the reverse and like, no, pulled her in the reverse.
1382
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:53,020
And I think it makes sense though, because losing or grieving the loss of a loved one and
1383
01:02:53,020 --> 01:02:55,420
kind of finding a pathway forward.
1384
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:56,420
Yeah.
1385
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:59,780
I feel like it fits more than I thought it would.
1386
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:06,980
If the reading is about your job, you may be pulling out of a damaging and hurtful situation.
1387
01:03:06,980 --> 01:03:13,940
The reversed three can mean the worst is over and you've learned from your mistakes.
1388
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:20,180
Remain watchful for confusion, deception and poor judgment.
1389
01:03:20,180 --> 01:03:26,260
Maybe that comes in like the trial and him confessing and then being guilty and then his
1390
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:30,980
lawyer not wanting to represent him anymore, but like being forced to basically.
1391
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:37,700
I think it's really interesting because this is a card that specifically based on its orientation
1392
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:45,340
is dramatically different in some ways, whether it's upright or reverse.
1393
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:51,660
And the fact that as I'm pulling it, I'm like, yeah, no, I pulled it in reverse.
1394
01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:54,060
Like the questioning aspect of that.
1395
01:03:54,060 --> 01:03:55,060
Yeah.
1396
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:59,540
That's really moment sometimes where I feel like they both fit the right.
1397
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:03,220
When we have those kind of like confusing, did we pull it upright or not?
1398
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:06,780
I feel like it could go either way.
1399
01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:07,780
Yeah.
1400
01:04:07,780 --> 01:04:08,780
Yeah.
1401
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:13,580
Well, and I feel like normally the way that we pull it is so that you can literally see
1402
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:14,900
it on cam.
1403
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:21,260
And I don't know if you'll be able to tell at all when we go back and watch the video
1404
01:04:21,260 --> 01:04:24,020
from my camera, which way I pulled it.
1405
01:04:24,020 --> 01:04:26,740
Taylor, do a slow mo.
1406
01:04:26,740 --> 01:04:31,060
But I think the fact that we're questioning it just means like I usually just take that
1407
01:04:31,060 --> 01:04:33,020
as it could be both ways.
1408
01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:34,020
Yeah.
1409
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:39,340
And it does fit both ways because like the reverse is like you said, it's kind of like the
1410
01:04:39,340 --> 01:04:40,500
ending of it.
1411
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:44,220
And we did talk about the, I mean, the end it's over.
1412
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:46,020
He's convicted.
1413
01:04:46,020 --> 01:04:48,700
He's stopped killing because he's dead now.
1414
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,700
So yeah.
1415
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:59,820
In a reading about love, this card points to painful experiences, which feels dead on.
1416
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:07,700
Obviously as you know, a family that's lost a loved one and she's a widow.
1417
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:12,540
But you're working on past problems and trying to make things better.
1418
01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:18,100
You need to let go of jealousy, regrets, guilt and fear.
1419
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:21,100
Sometimes this card, oh my god, stop it.
1420
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:26,220
This is card represents accepting a loss and moving on.
1421
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:27,220
Okay.
1422
01:05:27,220 --> 01:05:29,940
I'm going to go to the upright.
1423
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:36,700
Makes me think of like the police to like their, the regrets and the guilt of like this
1424
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:40,780
has been happening to potentially like 44 people.
1425
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:45,740
You know, that's I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have clocked it that way.
1426
01:05:45,740 --> 01:05:46,740
That's interesting.
1427
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:47,740
Yeah.
1428
01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:52,500
I mean, police who are trying to solve something like they obviously I'm sure they have regrets
1429
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:54,140
of like this person.
1430
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:55,140
Yeah.
1431
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:56,140
And killing.
1432
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:58,380
I mean, any case that just goes unsolved.
1433
01:05:58,380 --> 01:05:59,380
Yeah.
1434
01:05:59,380 --> 01:06:00,380
Yeah.
1435
01:06:00,380 --> 01:06:01,820
That's an interesting point.
1436
01:06:01,820 --> 01:06:05,460
I, I didn't really think of it that way.
1437
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:09,540
I'm sure some of those you'll never know what happened to you just kind of have to accept
1438
01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:12,820
it and yeah, that it's not going to be solved.
1439
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:13,820
Yeah.
1440
01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:14,820
Okay.
1441
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:22,740
The upright three signifies separation, severing a connection to something or someone you
1442
01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:23,740
love.
1443
01:06:23,740 --> 01:06:32,900
Oh, you just said like severing and my picture that had wow.
1444
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:33,900
Okay.
1445
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:39,700
So the upright feels so far just skimming feels equally applicable.
1446
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:42,460
Sorry, I just have like a really big reaction.
1447
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:43,460
Yeah.
1448
01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:44,460
That's weird.
1449
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:46,700
No, I mean, that makes sense.
1450
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:47,700
Yeah.
1451
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:54,700
When we're talking about someone who is nearly to capitated that that is I, that's an appropriate
1452
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:55,700
response.
1453
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:56,700
Okay.
1454
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:58,460
I'm going to read it again.
1455
01:06:58,460 --> 01:07:04,940
The upright three signifies separation, severing a connection to something or someone
1456
01:07:04,940 --> 01:07:06,140
you love.
1457
01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:11,740
You feel isolated and cut off from something you found meaningful.
1458
01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:22,460
A way of life, your home and family, a philosophy, pursuit or job, something in your life has died.
1459
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:29,180
In a reading about money, the upright three represents losses due to relying on your
1460
01:07:29,180 --> 01:07:33,740
rational mind or your emotions alone.
1461
01:07:33,740 --> 01:07:37,500
You need to use both to avoid problems.
1462
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:39,860
Oh, interesting.
1463
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:44,420
I don't know why that just reminds me of him like acting on his impulses is like emotional
1464
01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:51,660
need to be a fucking murderer instead of making more than six dollars and to be left to
1465
01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:52,660
someone, you know?
1466
01:07:52,660 --> 01:07:53,660
Yeah.
1467
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:54,660
Yeah.
1468
01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:57,180
Okay.
1469
01:07:57,180 --> 01:08:05,260
Sometimes it suggests someone you trusted has withdrawn support or you're grieving the loss
1470
01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:06,260
of better times.
1471
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:10,340
I mean, how many times have I specifically used?
1472
01:08:10,340 --> 01:08:11,340
Oh, okay.
1473
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:13,660
The widow asked you to do that.
1474
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:14,660
Yeah.
1475
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:15,660
Yeah.
1476
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:22,340
If the reading is about your work, this card can mean losing a job you loved or you feel
1477
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:25,980
isolated and unhappy in your job.
1478
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:33,380
Maybe you regret an unwise business decision or you're thwarted, unable to do the work you
1479
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:34,380
enjoy.
1480
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:41,180
I mean, he was caught not that I want to call what he's doing like his work, but maybe in
1481
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:42,180
his mind.
1482
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:45,860
But I mean, that's his for lack of a better way to put it.
1483
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:47,900
That's like his professional pursue.
1484
01:08:47,900 --> 01:08:52,740
I mean, he chose the train profession so that he could go.
1485
01:08:52,740 --> 01:08:53,740
Yeah.
1486
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:54,740
I mean, at least.
1487
01:08:54,740 --> 01:09:01,260
And that and he literally just worked odd jobs and yeah, all of that sort of scenario was
1488
01:09:01,260 --> 01:09:09,020
designed to sort of set him up to be, you know, dependent upon less than ethical means
1489
01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:11,260
of acquiring income.
1490
01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:12,260
I don't know.
1491
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:15,020
I don't know how else to put that.
1492
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:18,220
Try to see this as a sign.
1493
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:20,620
It's time for a change.
1494
01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:21,620
Low late.
1495
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:22,620
Time to die.
1496
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:28,140
But I guess maybe he thought, now I'm going to become like a high priestess and just deliver
1497
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:29,140
hexes.
1498
01:09:29,140 --> 01:09:30,140
Right.
1499
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:31,140
Yeah.
1500
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:32,140
Wow.
1501
01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:33,140
Oh, God.
1502
01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:37,660
This is in a reading about love.
1503
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:43,020
The upright three can represent a split with a partner or at least a sense of separation
1504
01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:45,100
and despair.
1505
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:51,860
If the relationship is worth salvaging, heal the gap with compassion and understanding.
1506
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:55,980
In some cases, this card says it's time to move on.
1507
01:09:55,980 --> 01:10:04,220
So whether you draw this upright or in the reverse, it hints at sort of the loss of a loved
1508
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:12,220
one and sort of like a less than ideal scenario with your romantic partner.
1509
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:13,220
Yeah.
1510
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:18,860
And I feel like this card, I just think is there's heartbreak cards, but this one is an extra
1511
01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:19,860
heartbreak.
1512
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:20,860
It is.
1513
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:22,460
Like what I feel about this.
1514
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:23,460
Yeah.
1515
01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:26,780
I'm always curious what we're going to get.
1516
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:33,620
Like, how's this one going to go and what's that reading going to look like as we go through
1517
01:10:33,620 --> 01:10:41,900
the case and think about like what are the possible outcomes and what would make sense.
1518
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:46,940
And sometimes we get cards that I feel like, okay, I don't know.
1519
01:10:46,940 --> 01:10:50,500
Maybe we maybe we need to redraw or something like that.
1520
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:59,260
And sometimes I'm really surprised that even how well I feel like we're learning and becoming
1521
01:10:59,260 --> 01:11:03,860
familiar and being more knowledgeable with the different interpretations.
1522
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:12,340
I'm like, wow, I guess I forgot about this sort of aspect of a card and thinking, wow,
1523
01:11:12,340 --> 01:11:17,300
okay, I didn't, I didn't predict that would fit at all.
1524
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:19,500
And don't you?
1525
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:24,780
I mean, I just feel like the fact that we drew a dead bird on a card is just.
1526
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:29,740
Yeah, a dead bird, like a symbolism of that or a jake bird.
1527
01:11:29,740 --> 01:11:31,780
It's, it's not lost on me.
1528
01:11:31,780 --> 01:11:32,780
It's a dead bird.
1529
01:11:32,780 --> 01:11:34,460
That is wild.
1530
01:11:34,460 --> 01:11:37,980
And the point you made specifically about the three.
1531
01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:38,980
Yeah.
1532
01:11:38,980 --> 01:11:44,060
Because I, here I was thinking, oh, well, the two of swords would have been more applicable.
1533
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:51,940
But even just at the outset, the numerical piece of it for me is kind of the first thing
1534
01:11:51,940 --> 01:11:54,980
that a lot of times jumps out.
1535
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:56,700
But holy shit.
1536
01:11:56,700 --> 01:12:01,740
In terms of imagery and then if you think about the fact that they literally had lost a
1537
01:12:01,740 --> 01:12:11,620
loved one and you're talking about a family of three that has just lost so much.
1538
01:12:11,620 --> 01:12:16,300
And when I want to say no, it doesn't feel like that card fits and then it just fucking
1539
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:17,300
fits.
1540
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:18,300
Yeah.
1541
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:26,100
Oh, well, some of you that are in our Facebook discussion group or I think that's the one
1542
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:27,860
place I can think of that I mentioned it.
1543
01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:33,220
I don't think I mentioned it on Patreon or anywhere else.
1544
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:38,740
But we're doing a double header this week.
1545
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:44,780
We just came off of literally everyone that's currently in this house having had COVID in
1546
01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:46,100
quick succession.
1547
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:52,060
Almost my first time and I gotta say zero out of 10.
1548
01:12:52,060 --> 01:13:01,580
We are recovering in terms of our ability to create and I think release content also.
1549
01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:03,380
So we're doing a double headers.
1550
01:13:03,380 --> 01:13:09,460
We start to build up a little bit of a backlog for those emergencies.
1551
01:13:09,460 --> 01:13:14,260
We did we we had some things and then holy shit.
1552
01:13:14,260 --> 01:13:17,620
The COVID hung on.
1553
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:21,140
I was positive for at least 10 days.
1554
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:22,140
Yeah.
1555
01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:23,140
I'm.
1556
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:24,140
That's crazy.
1557
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:25,140
Yeah.
1558
01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:27,420
It's I think we've talked about it before.
1559
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:37,060
And since all of the plague happened in my home, but yeah, we better we better get to it.
1560
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:38,380
I guess is what I'm saying.
1561
01:13:38,380 --> 01:13:43,500
It was the most rambling way of saying we got to go because we need to record another
1562
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:48,340
episode because we're playing catch up.
1563
01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:51,700
You know, we're playing in catch up and it is spicy.
1564
01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:53,900
Actually, did have one more thing.
1565
01:13:53,900 --> 01:14:00,660
I don't know if you wanted to mention it because it didn't make it into your last episode
1566
01:14:00,660 --> 01:14:04,460
with the blue mountains and the cores.
1567
01:14:04,460 --> 01:14:06,820
I feel like that was like a quick thing we come up.
1568
01:14:06,820 --> 01:14:08,180
Yeah, yeah, you have to tell it.
1569
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:09,180
Oh, you want me to tell it?
1570
01:14:09,180 --> 01:14:10,660
Well, because I don't know if I remember.
1571
01:14:10,660 --> 01:14:15,620
Oh, so you texted me after you like, I were thinking about the episode and you're like,
1572
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:21,420
oh my god, I added that blue crystal to be a blue mountain because I like needed the
1573
01:14:21,420 --> 01:14:24,140
Rockies or what I put with the Rockies.
1574
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:25,140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1575
01:14:25,140 --> 01:14:27,260
And what's on course?
1576
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:29,260
What's on course you guys?
1577
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:33,900
Yeah, how many shitty beer pong tournaments have you been in?
1578
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:36,740
And we did color changing mountains.
1579
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:42,860
We even had someone comment on our Facebook or our Instagram posts like only drink the
1580
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:44,900
cores when the mountains are blue.
1581
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:45,900
Yeah.
1582
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:53,180
So we unknowingly randomly last minute, Caitlin added a blue mountain to the halter set
1583
01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:54,180
up.
1584
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:58,020
I just thought it deserved it deserved an honorable mention today, I think.
1585
01:14:58,020 --> 01:15:02,500
Yeah, and I remember it's so funny because I remember us talking about that and we're like,
1586
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:06,860
oh, yeah, we got to remember to mention that at some point.
1587
01:15:06,860 --> 01:15:12,220
And I was like, I remember there was something that came up.
1588
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:13,220
I don't.
1589
01:15:13,220 --> 01:15:18,020
And we like drew the blue card and we were talking about blue the whole episode and we didn't
1590
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:21,500
even register the blue mountains on the course.
1591
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:22,500
Yeah.
1592
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:30,300
Yeah, just just for reference, if anybody's coming in randomly on this episode, that was
1593
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:37,100
the eight off course, the third episode where it's course cans.
1594
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:42,860
We're talking about in the beer and the blue mountains and you got to watch the video
1595
01:15:42,860 --> 01:15:47,500
on YouTube to really get the contacts with the blue crystal mountain.
1596
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:48,500
Yeah.
1597
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:52,220
It was in our altar and wow.
1598
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:57,380
And we're witches and we again won't hack you because we love you, creepy people.
1599
01:15:57,380 --> 01:15:58,380
We do.
1600
01:15:58,380 --> 01:15:59,380
We do.
1601
01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:00,380
Should we do that thing?
1602
01:16:00,380 --> 01:16:01,380
Let's do it.
1603
01:16:01,380 --> 01:16:02,380
All right.
1604
01:16:02,380 --> 01:16:04,380
Have a creepy ass day.
1605
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:05,380
See you next Tuesday.
1606
01:16:05,380 --> 01:16:17,460
You're dead bird.
1607
01:16:17,460 --> 01:16:19,500
Oh my gosh.
1608
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:22,100
Only be a dead bird if you're evil though.
1609
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:25,340
I mean, just don't just don't be dead birds in my presence.
1610
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:26,340
Okay.
1611
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:27,340
I don't like birds.
1612
01:16:27,340 --> 01:16:29,820
I don't want to be around birds dead or alive.
1613
01:16:29,820 --> 01:16:31,460
I feel like there's a lot of you.
1614
01:16:31,460 --> 01:16:33,420
You understand my feelings on the top.
1615
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:34,420
Okay.
1616
01:16:34,420 --> 01:16:35,420
Birds?
1617
01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:36,420
What?
1618
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:37,420
What do you call birds?
1619
01:16:37,420 --> 01:16:38,420
Winged fox.
1620
01:16:38,420 --> 01:16:39,420
Oh.
1621
01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:43,420
I have been known to call them winged fox.
1622
01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:45,020
That's Jake Bird's new nickname.
1623
01:16:45,020 --> 01:16:46,020
You winged fox.
1624
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:47,020
Winged fox.
1625
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:49,780
I love that.
1626
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:52,260
Maybe that's what I should call the episode.
1627
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:53,260
Maybe.
1628
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:56,660
I feel like Apple and all of the other streaming apps would be like, no, thank you.
1629
01:16:56,660 --> 01:16:57,660
Cool.
1630
01:16:57,660 --> 01:16:59,660
SEO straight to the bottom.
1631
01:16:59,660 --> 01:17:07,780
You guys share the shows that when we make terrible decisions about the titles, we don't
1632
01:17:07,780 --> 01:17:10,780
just completely play them out in tank.
1633
01:17:10,780 --> 01:17:16,620
Please and thank you.
1634
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:17,620
Bird.
1635
01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:18,620
Oh, I already read that.
1636
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:19,620
Bird.
1637
01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:20,620
Bird.
1638
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:21,620
Bird.
1639
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:22,620
Bird.
1640
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:23,620
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