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If it weren't for how things ended, the couple might be remembered as being a nearly unequaled
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example of unconditional love and inclusion, a family formed out of genuine desire for
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connection.
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Instead, they'll go down in history as a horrific example of just how malicious the unchecked
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abuse of two women help end on being white saviors really can be.
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Okay, just start intro.
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We've only done it like almost 200 times.
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Yep.
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At least almost.
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Okay.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello!
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Helloooo.
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We did it.
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It's like there's an audience in the room or something.
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What?
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Weird.
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Whoa.
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and the
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whole thing spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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PNW, if you're nasty.
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Yeah, and you are.
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We know it.
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We've heard about you.
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We do a terrible reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into
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whatever we're talking about that day.
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Yes, we do.
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We love it.
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Actually, I've got our deck charging as we speak.
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Okay.
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Ready to go.
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How do we charge that dick?
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Selenite.
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Selenite.
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I couldn't tell if that question was rhetorical.
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So I mean, it was kind of for anyone who doesn't know, I guess, what we're talking about.
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I know.
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That's what I realized.
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I got partway through and was like, oh, I think she's actually asking.
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Asking for a friend.
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Yeah.
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For my creepy friends, all of you.
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All of your creepy friends.
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Should I do a little show off of my shirt?
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It's kind of in frame mostly.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Let's tell people what it says if they're not watching.
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Yes.
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It says, it's not a crime to be gay unless you're a murderer.
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That is true.
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Beyond the Rainbow podcast, BTR.
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If you're nasty.
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Thank you, CJ.
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Yes.
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They gave us so much swag.
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We've got all of the swag.
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I brought my witchy hoodie to her tonight.
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And you'll notice that I put on your side of the altar.
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Obviously, our fabulous candles, which I've been dying to show off, but on your side, I
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specifically put a pumpkin.
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Oh, thank you.
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You're so welcome.
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I put my little piggy out and my, I think it's lace, I get my heart with a little drossy
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hole.
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Oh, that girl.
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It's pretty.
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Pretty.
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I got a little evil eye out, which is funny because I looked at my bracelets today and I looked
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at the evil eye one to grab, but it was like blue and it didn't go with what I was wearing.
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So I was like, I don't want me that, but now I should have it.
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Dang it.
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I guess so.
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I also just in this moment, notice that the top of our candles, the little tin cover,
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it's an eyeball.
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It's an eyeball.
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It's an eyeball.
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It sees everything.
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It sees all.
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I'm also super excited because I put up my new shot.
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It's so cute.
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You got all your stuff and things all by my shows.
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I've got so many crystals.
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I'm realizing that with our video settings and stuff, you can't necessarily see everything
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that's on there.
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Super clearly.
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You can tell it's some widgee, shenanigans and whatnot.
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I'm enough to do some photos so that you can see everything.
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Yeah, some close up shots.
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The other thing, we've got a fun little cauldron.
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So when we go to light the candles for tarot, we got to set up the bubbling action.
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We'll see if my idea works.
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Okay.
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Because I think it looks cool.
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I'm excited.
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I'm excited for the altar today.
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So excited.
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Spooky season altars are fun.
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I love it.
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All right.
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Well, speaking of things that we don't love, should I tell my case?
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I guess.
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If you must.
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All right.
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I'm going to start by reading you a summary of a report produced by the California Highway
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Patrol.
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So, you know, really juicy, not at all dry.
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Oh, yeah.
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Feel like you're lying.
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I mean, well, it's a report.
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So it does tend to be sort of like facts of the situation.
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And there's not a lot of emotion in it.
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That's where I come in.
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It's very emotional.
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I'm feeling all of the things.
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So on March 26, 2018, at approximately 1538 hours.
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Side note, 338 PM.
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For those of us not exclaiming urah or kua throughout the day, those apparently are
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the different branches of the military.
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And they both have their own sort of call like, yeah, but what's ours?
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I don't know.
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I feel like BMW if you're nasty.
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That's not that's kind of too long to be a call.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Creepy people.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Oh, it is.
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Hello.
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We figured it out.
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Oh, we got there.
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Okay.
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The Yucaya Communications Center received an emergency call from a passing tourist.
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Kirsten Pelser of Germany.
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I think I'm saying that right.
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We're going to go with it.
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Pelser advised she was at the one Creek crossing on Highway 1 in Mendocino County.
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She advised there was a brown vehicle on its roof down the embankment in the ocean.
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Oh, that's bad.
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Yes.
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Knowing what I do now and especially knowing your reaction to that statement, I kind of feel
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like an asshole for focusing on a detail like who buys a brown car.
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Right.
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I was like, what shade of brown?
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I mean, you know, there are people in the world that they're
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favorite color is brown, which is fine.
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I feel like I'm just picturing kind of the old station wagon.
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Sort of a vibe.
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I guess that's wood paneling, but that it's brown.
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I don't know.
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I really, I got, I got a got side track there.
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You, uh, I was thinking of Bella.
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Oh, God.
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I don't know brown brown.
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More torn Phoenix.
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My favorite color is dirt.
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Well, stay tuned for this and other details.
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CHP officers coming to in Sanchez arrived on scene at approximately 1727 hours.
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24 27 no 527.
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Math is hard and I'd appreciate it if you don't judge me.
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Uh, okay.
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This next section, I will be temporarily redacting names.
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Sometimes I just need the suspense and I want anyone who knows what case it is to get
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the sweet sweet dopamine rush of correctly guessing it while they're in their car or wherever
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they might be.
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If you're at the gym, I don't suggest like yelling it out up to you dealer's choice.
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According to officer Coveington, there was no evidence located at the scene.
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He was unable to locate either acceleration marks, tire friction marks or breaking furrow
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marks.
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Oh, that's, that would be something you think you would find.
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Yeah, you might, you might think so.
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Upon recovery of the vehicle, it was discovered that the driver of Woodland, Washington was still
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seated in the driver's seat.
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Oh.
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Her wife was trapped between the roof and the seats in the rear of the vehicle.
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It was also noted that the speedometer was pinned at 90 miles per hour.
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Indicating to officer Coveington, the vehicle was running and in motion just prior to the collision
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with the rocks below.
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Did they think it was actually going 90?
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Yes.
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Holy shit.
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Yes.
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High speed for kind of a winding coastal road.
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Neither officers nor emergency personnel at the scene were able to locate any evidence
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of the vehicle colliding with the embankment as it traversed towards the title zone below.
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Based upon the California Highway Patrol investigation, it is their belief a felony has
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been committed.
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This incident was reported under its report number 2018-8630.
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Now the truth of these people's lives and the awful crash was waiting to be recovered at
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the bottom of the reportedly nearly 150 foot cliff drop.
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Along with the bodies of multiple children in their care.
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No.
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If it weren't for how things ended, the couple might be remembered as being a nearly unequaled
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example of unconditional love and inclusion.
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A family formed out of genuine desire for connection.
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Instead, they'll go down in history as a horrific example of just how malicious the unchecked
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abuse of two women help end on being white saviors really can be.
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Ew.
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Yeah.
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This has got a lot of ik.
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Now some of you might have already caught on that this is the case of the Hart family
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murder suicide.
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Yeah.
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I heard about this.
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I don't know a lot of the details, so yay!
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Here we go.
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For those that remain uninitiated regarding the case, the Hart family was formed by Jennifer
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Jean Hart, born June 4th, 1979, and Sarah Margaret Hart, born April 8th, 1979.
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Early records pertaining to the couple revealed that they were both from South Dakota but had
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since moved to Alexandria, Minnesota.
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Minnesota.
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Minnesota.
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To many outsiders, the pair had a loving relationship with Plenty despair, so much so in fact that they
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made the decision to adopt three children reportedly or presumably so that the siblings
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could remain together.
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I really like, I want to be like, oh, that's like really sweet, but I know how it ends, so
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it's hard to say.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, there's not.
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There's.
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Oh.
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Not a lot of.
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Yeah.
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The thought of that is really sweet though for everyone who's doing that where it doesn't end
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this way.
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Yes.
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And I think that's always the ideal to try to keep the kids together.
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They do typically try to prioritize keeping kids together in the foster system.
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This is kind of tragic because it just means that, well, it's all of them.
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It's just going to get a lot worse.
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So the couple received licensure to provide child foster care in Douglas County, Minnesota,
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beginning in April 2005.
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Then in September of 2006, Abigail, Hannah and Marcus aged six months, two and five years
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old respectively, came to live with the hearts.
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Literally, babies, they came from an underprivileged background.
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Their biomom having terminated her parental rights voluntarily to try to give her children
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a chance at a better life, which is pretty excruciating to think about given, like you said,
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knowing how this ends.
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Yeah.
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It shouldn't have ended that way.
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She wanted her kids to have a better life and that's where it should have gone instead.
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The children were reportedly placed with a couple through the Family Resource Center
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in Minnesota.
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Right off the bat, things seem to be going really well according to their case worker.
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It's just another one of those things that makes it that much harder to process what happens
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in the end.
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Like this started off great, seemingly, but it's so hard to know what's going on in, you
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know, a family's home also.
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Yeah.
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Things can appear one way on the outside.
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Behind closed doors.
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It's very different.
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Yes.
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They were being taken to appointments for speech therapy and given their prescribed medications
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as directed.
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All good stuff.
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Kind of the minimum bar though.
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I feel like for parents.
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The case worker was so impressed that when three additional children needed to be placed,
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Devonte, Jeremiah and Sierra, the couple was already a shoe in.
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In December 2006, the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services removed Devonte,
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Jeremiah, Sierra, and a fourth child, their brother, Dante, from the care of a relative,
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their aunt, Priscilla Celestein after a case worker visit.
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She has like the most beautiful name.
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I was just thinking that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It sounds like this was basically a surprise visit, which I'm given to understand is not necessarily
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unusual.
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This is a pretty fucked up situation.
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Oh no.
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And the reporting around the incident leading to their removal from the home is variable.
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But from what I gather, the children were not permitted unsupervised visitation with their
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mother at the time.
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And when they found her present at the time of the surprise home visit, the aunt was at
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work.
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And it basically set an unstoppable freight train into motion.
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Oh no.
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I mean, I could see how that could happen though.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if you're a kid and you're home alone while your aunt and your current caregiver
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is at work, your mom shows up.
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I mean, that's such an impossible situation.
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In May of 2007, Celestein filed a petition to adopt all four children while they were being
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cared for by the state of Texas.
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However, her petition was denied by the Harris County District Court.
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She even filed a motion for a new trial, but that was denied as well.
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It's unclear why the hearts did not also take custody of the fourth child, Dante, or where
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he was placed.
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But the whole thing with the foster system is trying to keep kids together whenever they
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can.
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So already, I just feel like kind of heated about that turn of events.
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That's just like one facet of it.
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Yeah.
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There's also a law in the state of Texas that they are supposed to exhaust every possible
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resource to place children with family.
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And here they are denying this woman the right to care for her own family because of this
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singular incident with the biological mom.
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Yeah, that doesn't seem right.
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No, no.
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And I'm not saying that that is an okay thing to have happening when a caseworker pops in.
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And obviously, there are going to be consequences for something like that.
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If this is truly someone that the children should not be around unsupervised, but give her
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the opportunity to make that right.
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Yeah.
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It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Not long after being placed with the Hart's, Hannah made an allegation of abuse.
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And this was just the first.
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At two years old.
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Oh, what?
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Two?
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At two.
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She told authorities that one of the women had beaten and bruised her with a belt.
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Oh.
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And asked for their side of the story, Jennifer and Sarah reportedly claimed that Hannah had
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simply fallen down the stairs.
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That's like something very specific for a two-year-old to say.
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Exactly.
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And I'm glad you said that because my next sentence, while the claim was allegedly investigated,
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official statements on the matter are that there wasn't enough evidence of wrongdoing
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to warrant changes to custody.
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Hmm.
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Surely most two-year-olds aren't in the habit of lying about being beaten by their caregiver.
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I mean, and with a belt.
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But I guess when there are two nice white lesbians, contradicting the story of a person of color,
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much less a two-year-old, it's no surprise that the claims aren't apparently taken all
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that seriously.
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Ah. In case this isn't abundantly clear at this point in my storytelling or something
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that people just were not aware of about the case, this is, like I said, a white lesbian
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couple that has adopted black children, several black children.
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This whole time, Celeste kept fighting for all of the kids.
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This had her tied up in knots with the courts for several years.
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When the next allegation occurs, you might think they would allow her to take custody.
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Take them back from, you know, the home where one of their guardians is seemingly almost
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certainly abusing them.
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But you'd only do that if you believed the victim and cared enough to do something about
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it before things got worse.
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They cared enough to take them away when--
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Right.
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From their aunt when their mom showed up, but were they bruised and abused?
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Nope.
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They were in good health, which is going to be important for later.
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Because we're going to see that that certainly changes.
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It's July of 2010 when the aunt's struggle is dealt kind of the final blow.
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But that's months prior to another report of abuse.
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In November 2010, the police in Alexandria, Minnesota interview Abigail Hart, who was six
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at the time regarding abuse allegations after a teacher discovered extensive bruising,
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sending from her sternum to her naval.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yeah, it's like, okay, is that sounds like basically her whole torso?
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Yeah.
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Is that what we're saying?
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Is that accurate to say?
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It sounds like it.
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Yeah.
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The girl says, "Genefer Hart hit her with a closed fist, put her head in a cold bath,
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and hit her again."
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This is according to the court records.
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She was then grounded.
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The girl told police, which meant she had to stay in bed and miss lunch.
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What the fuck?
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We're not using food as a weapon now.
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Jesus Christ.
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I know.
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I'm so like the cold bath and then my whole body felt like you dumped like a cold bucket of
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water on me.
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Yeah.
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I didn't.
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But, this is like that again, that's like so specific, like who would make that up right
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to be abused?
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Like, okay, they hit me or whatever, but like putting your head in a cold bath, like no
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one's going to come up with that except fucked up people.
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Right.
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Right.
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It's such a specific to think of that yourself as a punishment.
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And then for that to be the thing that the child says is, yeah, I agree.
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It's bizarre that they're like, oh, that doesn't seem believable.
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Even when Sarah Hart ends up pleading guilty to abusing Abigail, an ascentance to a year
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of probation in relation to the misdemeanor domestic assault, nothing changes.
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Okay.
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Remember, this is an allegation that she brought against Jennifer.
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Okay.
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So, we're starting to see a dynamic where Jennifer maybe is kind of the, for lack of a better
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term.
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She's like, she's the cold leader.
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She's the ring leader.
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Sarah told police, she was the one who hit Abigail, even though the girl told authorities
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her mother Jennifer had done it.
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The next day, all six of the heart children were taken out of public schools.
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They would never attend public school again.
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That does not seem right.
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Well, and we've seen this in other cases.
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It's a bold move, but it typically unfortunately serves the abusers well because it takes them
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out of a situation where they have the oversight of mandatory reporters.
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How is that not a giant red flag after a teacher comes forward seeing these bruises and stuff
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and then they pull them out of school?
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Obviously, they don't want teachers finding these things.
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Right.
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I don't know how we go about sort of flagging that in a way that makes that something that
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it's like, okay, this is an actionable, now we need to monitor this closer.
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I don't know.
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I think it's a major red flag when all of a sudden there's allegations of abuse and we
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just decide, oh, we're going to homeschool now.
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Based on what?
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I mean, they certainly don't seem like they have any particular set of qualifications to
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homeschool.
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Number one, people usually don't.
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay, I forgot to delete this note.
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I added in when I was editing my chicken scratch notes.
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There's a lot of asterix and it is in all caps.
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The energy is really something.
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Normally, I would have remembered to delete this, but I think subconsciously my witchy brain
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knew we'd probably, we'd need to get the giggles in where we could.
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Oh, no, okay.
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So sometimes it takes more than one session to go through and like make all of the words
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one episode.
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And this is what I wrote to myself, so I would know where I left off.
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This is where you left off.
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You beautiful, magical and easily distracted unicorn.
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But it's kind of funny.
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It just says, "Yo bitch, you left off here," or something like that.
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That one, I must have, I was feeling some type of way.
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That's funny.
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In October 2011, mere months after Sarah sentencing, the heart family is still living in Alexandria,
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Minnesota, taking part in the Occupy Minneapolis demonstration.
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But by 2012, the heart family was headed west.
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There's another huge red flag when we're relocating.
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Very, very far away.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's concerning.
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It's again, it's tough to know how exactly to keep track of some of these things.
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How do we make sure that the red flags are being cataloged?
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Yeah.
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So to speak.
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Were they just the other kids, how many kids were there?
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At this point, there are six.
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Okay, that's what I thought.
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Is the three that were taken from the aunt, are they officially adopted, or are they still
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just foster children?
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I'm not sure.
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I think they were adopted relatively quickly, which is actually really upsetting because the
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aunt was actively trying to do that herself.
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Yeah.
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And they basically were like, nope.
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I didn't think that that could be a thing if like a family member was still trying to
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do that.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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My question was, how can you like take foster children out of the state?
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Like, yeah.
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Are you allowed to even do that?
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Was my question, but I guess a third of that?
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I don't think that it mattered in this case.
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And there also has to be somebody that's willing to actually keep track of that.
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Like, they have to be aware so that they're able to take any sort of action on these issues.
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And no one's keeping track.
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Spoilers.
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Sarah traveled to Portland to look for work with the intent of Jennifer and the children
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joining her later.
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No, we don't want you here.
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Well, the following year in 2013, the Hart family had settled into Westland, a bedroom
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community of Portland proper.
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While living there, it became apparent to a friend of the family that the children were
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being abused and deprived of food.
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There was an incident where essentially that all of the heart children were given like
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a half a slice of pizza.
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And apparently when they went to bed that night, they took a little head count of the leftover
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pizza.
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And when they woke up and realized that somebody had taken additional slices while everybody
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else was sleeping, then they were punished.
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Oh my God.
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And in kind of a weird way, they basically were just forced to like lay on the floor for
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like hours from what I understand.
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It was very bizarre.
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What?
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And they did this from everything that I have heard and read and seen about this case.
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They did this in front of literally another adult who it sounds like was a parent, but she
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was a black woman.
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And I'm thinking that is bold.
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That is bold.
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Wow.
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You think that this person is just going to roll over and accept that that's the way you
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discipline your children?
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Hopefully no one ever would.
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You are about to be so disappointed with humanity.
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I mean, yeah, I kind of figured over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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Not in this case.
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And the hearts learn that this was reported to Oregon child welfare.
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The couple quickly cuts off contact with that individual because that's the other, you
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know, that's the M.O.
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Though reportedly the children were interviewed in the hindsight, it's clear that the children
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had been coached and cajoled into saying the right things and ultimately DHS dropped
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the case because of course they did.
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As old as crime.
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Check them out, creepy people.
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I am air dropping a photo to Cassie.
524
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This is a really hard photo to look at.
525
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I'm just going to tell you that.
526
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It's not a gruesome photo, but I think you're going to understand pretty quickly why it is
527
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so yucky.
528
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Okay.
529
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Hi.
530
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Then the moment that everyone familiar with the case has probably been waiting for.
531
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It's the infamous photo.
532
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Okay.
533
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Look at it.
534
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I don't want to.
535
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Is it too late to say no?
536
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Yes.
537
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Oh, I do remember saying this picture.
538
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,600
Oh, God, that gives me chills.
539
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,600
Yeah.
540
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Seeing you, seeing it, thinking about it myself.
541
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,920
I'm thinking about this child in that moment.
542
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,080
It's just like, save me.
543
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Help me.
544
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Yeah.
545
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Yeah.
546
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So, I'm going to give a little bit of a description here.
547
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Just obviously we got to have some background and for anybody that's not watching in one format
548
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or another and it's just listening.
549
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I want you to know what we're talking about.
550
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In November 2014, the Hart family attended a protest following a devastating jury decision
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in the Ferguson trial.
552
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The jury had declined to indict law enforcement in connection with the fatal shooting of Michael
553
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Brown.
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At that very protest, a picture of Devon Day, who had, and there are several of these other
555
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photos, he had frequently sported a free hugs sign at activist events and other protests.
556
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So sweet.
557
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Is it?
558
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I mean, it seems there's some issues around consent that yeah, yeah.
559
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It's theory.
560
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It's theory.
561
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,680
If that's like the kid's idea, right?
562
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You know what I mean?
563
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Yeah.
564
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Yeah.
565
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This is a picture that was captured of him hugging a Portland police officer.
566
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The photo of course went insanely viral.
567
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I don't know if that's what we call it anymore.
568
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,080
It was everywhere.
569
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,760
I'm trying to think of even the way to describe this.
570
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,800
I feel like it's one of those sort of iconic type images.
571
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Yeah.
572
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And it only got bigger at a certain point and for very obviously sad reasons.
573
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Sad all the way around.
574
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This was at the height of some of the protests here in Portland and elsewhere in the country,
575
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which were seemingly all anyone could talk about.
576
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Though in I would argue in far too many instances, not exactly for the right reasons.
577
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Yes.
578
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There was destruction of property.
579
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In the daily lives of people living in and around Portland and the other major cities where
580
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these events were taking place.
581
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And in some cases, physical violence was a contributing factor to sensational reporting
582
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around the events.
583
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But it whipped up a lot of fear and anger and anxiety and also racism.
584
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And this is always stuck with me.
585
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I actually had friends out of LA and other parts of California asking me if I was safe and
586
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I needed a place to stay.
587
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Which feels really wild.
588
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And especially given the nature of like here we are, this is like these are, you know,
589
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demonstrations and protests designed to call attention to the fact that, you know, people
590
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of color in particular are not safe.
591
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And it feels very strange to be, you know, a white woman who there's so much concern for
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your well-being.
593
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Yeah.
594
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And it comes obviously, you know, from, in the case of someone who cares about you, like
595
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it's coming from a good place.
596
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But at the same time, it's like, oh, this is so not about me.
597
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And yes, I am safe.
598
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And yeah, I don't know.
599
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Yeah.
600
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Not pretty bad.
601
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Like everything got like kind of out of control and then like went, I feel like it like
602
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went the opposite way of where it was, where it was originally supposed to go.
603
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It just was very unfortunate.
604
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Yeah.
605
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Yeah, I feel like.
606
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And that's what I mean, I guess, when I say that the conversations around it were focused
607
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on the wrong things.
608
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It's like it became all about sensationalizing, you know, the instances where there was property
609
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damage or, you know, disruption to traffic, things like that.
610
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And it wasn't about what it was about anymore.
611
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Exactly.
612
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Which is upsetting.
613
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And obviously, you know, we know there were some, well, anyways, I'm not going to, I'm not
614
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even, I'm not, not even going to keep going down this road back to the family, which honestly
615
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:50,720
I hate to call them, but I'm kind of hard pressed to come up with a better term in this
616
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,720
moment.
617
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,120
And I struggled with that as I was writing my notes too.
618
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,040
I was like, this just is not a family.
619
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:05,920
These are a loose grouping of people who happen to live under the same roof.
620
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,320
I guess that's the better term.
621
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,320
There we go.
622
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,320
Yeah.
623
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,320
Yeah.
624
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,320
Yeah.
625
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,320
Yeah.
626
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,320
What's the acronym?
627
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Oh, boy.
628
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,320
That's no.
629
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,320
We don't have time for that.
630
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:25,600
All of that activism or more accurately virtue signaling in this case gains the heart family
631
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some notoriety.
632
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:35,000
The family joined US Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont on stage at a presidential campaign
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rally stop in Vancouver in March of 2015.
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Excuse me in March of 2016.
635
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And I hate these women for tarnishing the good Senator's name, even in a tangential way,
636
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but more importantly, for how they used these children as props for their own online
637
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clout and just like, I don't know, general shits and giggles, just the amount of people that
638
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:11,800
buy association just, ugh, it just, you got to feel like you want to take a hot shower
639
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:17,480
with a wire brush, you know, I can't.
640
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,480
I can't.
641
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,040
I simply called.
642
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,520
She could.
643
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:28,440
Everything tells me it wasn't them trying to escape their newfound status as racial justice
644
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activists that had them relocating by May 2017.
645
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,720
Probably not.
646
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,280
PopSos not.
647
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,680
I think it's far more likely that while they enjoyed all of the attention, Jennifer and
648
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:49,800
Sarah bought their new home in Woodland, Washington, because it was a different means
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of escape.
650
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:57,760
The two story, three bedroom homes sat on two acres of land and was a far more isolated
651
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,400
area of Clark County than where they had previously lived.
652
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Three bedrooms.
653
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,120
Wow.
654
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160
For six kids and two adults.
655
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,160
Yeah.
656
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,200
We all got six kids.
657
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Yeah.
658
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,120
Anyways, I mean, that's the least of their issues.
659
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:24,440
While living in that home, which I have to say, they clearly spared no expense decorating beautifully.
660
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
I mean, parts of it anyway.
661
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,840
Nor when it came to stalking the fridge.
662
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,840
Hmm.
663
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,160
The ship really goes downhill.
664
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Or at least what should have been some very obvious signs became more apparent.
665
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Like the time that Hannah Hart fled the home through a window and came to the neighbor's
666
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:59,280
house for help stating that she and her siblings were being both abused physically and start.
667
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,360
God.
668
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,520
The neighbors did return Hannah home.
669
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,200
And when they followed up the next morning, it seemed like maybe the situation had been
670
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,080
resolved.
671
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,280
Or so they thought.
672
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,080
How is that?
673
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Yeah.
674
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,680
The only resolution for that is like legal punishment.
675
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Mm-hmm.
676
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Mm-hmm.
677
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Again, only if you believe the people reporting these things to you.
678
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840
And I don't know that they didn't believe them.
679
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,720
It can be really tough to get involved in these types of situations because you only have
680
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,560
so much power.
681
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:48,040
And if the authorities aren't necessarily acting on the information that they have, also,
682
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,040
it doesn't sound like that initial incident was reported.
683
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,000
So it doesn't really give the authorities anything to act on.
684
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,520
But so this incident wasn't reported until months later when finally a relative of the
685
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:13,240
heart family's neighbors placed a call to emergency services stating that he was concerned
686
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:19,160
as he felt that the children living in the heart home were, and I quote, being highly
687
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,160
abused.
688
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,920
I've heard snippets of this 911 call.
689
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,840
It's really bizarre.
690
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,640
It's just really bizarre in the sense that it's like if you're receiving this call, how
691
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:39,680
are those children not immediately removed from the home while this is investigated?
692
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,160
That's the part that's bizarre.
693
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Mm-hmm.
694
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,160
Yeah, highly abused.
695
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Yeah.
696
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Cheers.
697
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Yeah.
698
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,680
He explained the incident that occurred with Hannah, so how she'd come to their house in
699
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,240
the middle of the night, like 1.30 a.m.
700
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,920
Oh my God.
701
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,320
And again, I know it can be really tough for people to decide when it's time to intervene
702
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,400
in situations that they think might be abusive, but I think especially when you're talking about
703
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:17,240
an insular family with homeschooled kids living in a somewhat rural community, especially
704
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,840
air on the side of overreacting.
705
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Also, if you receive a bullshit apology letter that both looks and sounds like it was
706
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:35,480
penned by a live laugh love, sign heaven, Karen, haircut, heaven, virtue signaling piece of
707
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:42,120
shit that they're trying to pass off is having been written by the child, the child desperately
708
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
seeking your help.
709
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,720
That's another great signal to maybe queue up some follow up questions at a bare minimum.
710
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,920
Wow.
711
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,600
So they had they wrote a letter for the child who tried to escape for help.
712
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,600
Yeah.
713
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,600
I'm so sorry.
714
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Our cats died recently and I'm very upset.
715
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,200
I'm not handling my emotions well.
716
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,200
So I'm faking that I'm being abused.
717
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Because that totally seems like the logical thing for a teenager to do, right?
718
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,320
I mean, I guess you don't know how people react to grief, but it just doesn't seem
719
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,320
kind of wild.
720
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,320
Yeah.
721
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:33,760
Yeah, especially because they really didn't see these kids a lot, which is always concerning.
722
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:40,360
When you have a house full of six kids and you don't hear or see kids, that's not good.
723
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,760
Not a great sign.
724
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,000
Kids are loud and they take a lot of fucking space.
725
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Yeah.
726
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Yeah.
727
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Yeah.
728
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:54,280
In March of 2018, Washington State, DHS opened up a CPS investigation that identified the
729
00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:01,160
heart children as potential victims of alleged abuse or neglect.
730
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:07,200
For well over a week, neighbors were sneaking food to the kids.
731
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Oh my God.
732
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,640
A list of food items would be given to them, which those neighbors would then provide.
733
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,520
They were sneaking it to them.
734
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,160
They were hiding it out in the yard.
735
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,160
Wow.
736
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,360
If you're having to do that, how are the police not there?
737
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,680
My next line.
738
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,560
If children are begging you for food and you also have to hide that you're helping them
739
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,840
get food, that's all the red flags.
740
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Wow.
741
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,520
And this went on, like I said, for I think it was nine or ten days.
742
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,840
They're giving them like, you know, jars of peanut butter.
743
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,080
And at one point, I think one of the specific items that was mentioned was like they asked
744
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,600
for 30 tortillas.
745
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,600
Oh.
746
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:06,560
DHS attempted to make contact with the heart family, but were ultimately unsuccessful.
747
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:12,440
During the same time period, others close to the heart family started noticing red flags
748
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,920
as well.
749
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,320
Like Sarah's friend Cheryl, who she sent a text to stating she was so sick, she might have
750
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,320
to go to the hospital.
751
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:27,800
So she was basically like kind of trying to call in to work because they were co-workers.
752
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,800
This was the last text message that Cheryl would ever receive from Sarah.
753
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,000
The very next day, the family was in the Newport, Oregon area in the morning, according to
754
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,640
police.
755
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:49,480
They believed that the family continued southbound on Route 101 to Legit, California, then onward
756
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:55,960
to Fort Bragg in the Mendocino area, where they stayed until the following evening of March
757
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,280
25th.
758
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:06,640
After not hearing from Sarah, who was a reliable worker, but she did not report to her job
759
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:13,800
at Coles on March 26th, Cheryl asks that a welfare check be conducted at the heart family
760
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,760
home that afternoon at about 115.
761
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,720
Well, that's a good friend.
762
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,120
Yeah.
763
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:27,400
That same day, Washington DHS makes another attempt to reach out to the family, again without
764
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,800
success.
765
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Roughly two hours later, on March 26th is when we circle back to the German tourist,
766
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,480
Kristen.
767
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:44,560
As she's driving along Highway 1, she sees a vehicle that has landed upside down, presumably
768
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,440
after going over the Shoreline cliff.
769
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Law enforcement arrives at the scene to find there are five occupants in the vehicle.
770
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:02,720
Unfortunately, it's three children that are deceased as are the two adult women inside.
771
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:12,640
The following day, Washington DHS made another attempt to contact the heart family, which
772
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:19,320
was, of course, unsuccessful, as had been the case in their efforts to do so on two prior
773
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,000
occasions.
774
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,440
It wasn't until the following day that the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office was able
775
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:34,360
to identify the victims of the crash as Jennifer and Sarah Hart, along with the three children
776
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:42,640
also found in the vehicle, Marcus, Jeremiah and Abigail.
777
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:49,200
At that time, the whereabouts of three of the six heart children were still unknown.
778
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,120
But, of course, I'm at this point.
779
00:47:53,120 --> 00:48:02,200
The people, many of the people close to the case and the investigation feared the worst.
780
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:08,000
The search for the three remaining heart children continued as did law enforcement's investigation
781
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,800
into the crash.
782
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,920
By April 2nd, 2018, law enforcement officials made their suspicions that the crash may have
783
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,840
been intentional public.
784
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:30,040
They had previously revealed that the speedometer indicated the vehicle had been traveling at a
785
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:37,120
speed of 90 miles an hour or roughly 145 kilometers per hour.
786
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,720
Our friends abroad.
787
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,600
It was official.
788
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:48,880
Their belief was that sadly, the three remaining heart children were unlikely to be found alive.
789
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:57,000
That same day, Sheriff Tom Allman makes the following statement.
790
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,800
I'm to the point where I'm no longer calling this an accident.
791
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,720
I'm calling it a crime.
792
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:10,880
Five days later on April 7th, an unidentified deceased young black female is found in the
793
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,440
water near the crash site.
794
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,520
On the 13th of that same month, the California Highway Patrol releases the information that
795
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Jennifer Hart's blood alcohol level was .102.
796
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Jeez.
797
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,440
That's high, right?
798
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,440
It is.
799
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Yeah.
800
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Tux ecology reports revealed even more troubling information.
801
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,840
Sarah Hart had a significant amount of the ingredient primarily in Benadryl in her
802
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:47,320
system, as did two of the three children found in the vehicle.
803
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,960
So they were basically drugged with Benadryl?
804
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:58,000
The young girl whose body had been discovered 10 days prior was identified as 12-year-old
805
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,040
Sierra.
806
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:07,040
At some point, as the details began to slowly trickle out about the family and the investigation
807
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:14,000
into the crash, a journalist and photographer from Portland realized that they had interviewed
808
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,360
this family at a Bernie rally back in 2016.
809
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,360
That would be like so chilling.
810
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Yeah.
811
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,960
I can't even imagine.
812
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,720
Finally, May 9th, 2018, Hannah's remains were discovered.
813
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:38,200
And it is at this point that it was generally accepted that Devon Des Body was presumably
814
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,320
lost to the sea.
815
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,520
The sheriff had made a point not to classify the car crash as an accident.
816
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Obviously.
817
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,320
He ends up calling for a coroner's inquest.
818
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,000
And he's both a sheriff and the coroner, apparently.
819
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Oh, Barrow?
820
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Yeah.
821
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
So he's calling on himself?
822
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,000
A little bit.
823
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Yeah.
824
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,000
Okay.
825
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Yeah.
826
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,120
It's kind of an interesting turn of events, I guess.
827
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:14,400
The evidence is presented to a jury a year and a week to the day following the crash.
828
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:23,120
The jury determined that the children were murdered at the hands of their adoptive parents.
829
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:32,120
At the time of the crash, Marcus was 19, Jeremiah was 14, as was Abigail.
830
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:40,840
Devonte was 15, Hannah was 16, and Sierra was 12.
831
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:49,560
Though there may be nothing truly definitive to prove why Jennifer and presumably Sarah decided
832
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:55,920
to end their own lives and that of their adopted children, it seems fairly clear that they
833
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:02,000
were likely motivated by the fear that they would be caught for what was certainly years
834
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,880
of horrific abuse.
835
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:04,880
Yeah.
836
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:13,600
And starvation, which is, I mean, that's abuse as well, but physical abuse and starvation.
837
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:22,320
So I think I'll leave us with a quote from a 2013 Minnesota Child Protective Services
838
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,600
report to sum this up.
839
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:33,160
The problem is these women look normal.
840
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:47,720
This feels like something that someone somewhere along the line knew that like this was a bad situation,
841
00:52:47,720 --> 00:53:00,280
you know, kind of probably a powder keg situation, but just waiting for something to set it
842
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:13,080
off and years went by before, before this and the whole time what they must have been enduring
843
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:23,120
because the horrific things that I mean, maybe not outwardly as physically abusive so much
844
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,200
as emotionally and psychologically torturing them.
845
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:33,040
And these are things that they did in front of people, you know, like when they're punishing
846
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:40,240
them for taking leftover pizza out of the fridge, they're doing this in front of friends
847
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:45,320
and they're trusting that apparently no one's going to call them on that.
848
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,520
They're not going to get called out for abuse and starvation.
849
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,520
Yeah.
850
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Think about what had to have been happening that no one was seeing.
851
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,640
Yeah.
852
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,000
I don't want to think about it.
853
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:10,080
The one thing I will say as sad as it is that Devon Des Body was ultimately not recovered
854
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:18,360
is that we talked about the potential issues around consent with the photos that they had
855
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,880
taken of him and the free hugs sign things like that.
856
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:31,920
And part of me got to the end of this realizing that he's the only one that was never, his
857
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,640
remains were never located and I thought good.
858
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:47,240
They can never do things to his body and take pictures of them to exploit ever again.
859
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:57,240
The thought of his body being recovered and somehow photos of his remains making it into publication,
860
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:04,400
you know, or I mean, just everything that happened to all of these kids, but especially he was
861
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:16,280
so so public facing as far as part of the image for this family on social media and let's
862
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,280
see.
863
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,080
Now, he can just hopefully be at peace.
864
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,160
I don't know.
865
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:28,360
That's the way that I'm choosing to look at that particular piece of the story.
866
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,160
So you said Marcus was 19.
867
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,320
That's so interesting because he was an adult.
868
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,760
So he could have left, but I imagine that he wouldn't want to leave his siblings.
869
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:41,760
Yeah.
870
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,360
That's so heartbreaking.
871
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,360
Yeah.
872
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:50,040
I think they're aside from just wanting to remain to protect his siblings.
873
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,280
I'm sure also where where was he going to go?
874
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,280
Right.
875
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:02,880
I'm sure he didn't move across the country and separated from any sort of resources.
876
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,880
Yeah.
877
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:10,080
He lived in a somewhat rural part of Washington and how is he supposed to be able to access
878
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,400
resources?
879
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,400
Yeah.
880
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,360
Are you leaving those kids?
881
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,360
Oh my God.
882
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,360
Probably not.
883
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,480
I think most of us would be like not in a million years.
884
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,480
Yeah.
885
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,160
Even if you could, which doesn't seem likely that they would raise them to be independent at
886
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,160
all.
887
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,160
No.
888
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,640
Absolutely not.
889
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,760
I do have some other pieces.
890
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:39,600
I feel like I'm still kind of having an internal debate about whether it's something that
891
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:45,440
I want to just do like a short Patreon discussion for or if this is kind of something we should
892
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,520
talk about during tarot.
893
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:54,440
So I guess we can talk about it and figure out where to place it.
894
00:56:54,440 --> 00:57:02,640
This whole, I mean, the whole case is so awful, but there are just some kind of stark details.
895
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,640
I don't know how else to put that without actually coming out and just going through the whole.
896
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,640
I don't know.
897
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,960
It's about a third of a page that I have that's just kind of like where to fit.
898
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:20,040
And it's, I feel like interesting to to discuss and sort of consider.
899
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,040
I don't know.
900
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Yeah.
901
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,880
We'll see if the tarot brings it up maybe.
902
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:24,880
Yeah.
903
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Yeah.
904
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:26,880
That happens.
905
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Should we do some tarot?
906
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:28,880
Yeah.
907
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,880
Let's do some tarot.
908
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:30,880
I'm really sad.
909
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Yeah.
910
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:41,840
I, um, I sobbed at a certain point researching this because it just is, it's everything that's
911
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,040
horrific in, in our world.
912
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,600
And it just, it's so brutal.
913
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,440
It's just, I don't know.
914
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,080
It was like everything all at once.
915
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,080
Yeah.
916
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,080
It was a lot.
917
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,080
Yeah.
918
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,080
It's a lot.
919
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,080
It just blows my mind.
920
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:05,800
I mean, I know that there's bad people in every, in every, like part of society, but it's
921
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,240
just like, obviously, you're white women, but you're, you're women and you're a lesbian
922
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,240
couple.
923
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,240
Yeah.
924
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,880
So like, how do you not have any compassion?
925
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,880
Yeah.
926
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,920
Like I just, I don't understand it.
927
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,920
Yeah.
928
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:28,440
I, there's a lot of things about this that I feel like none of us want to ever come close
929
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,360
to something resembling understanding.
930
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,360
No.
931
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,840
I mean, that probably goes without saying, but I'm going to say it.
932
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,480
So we don't get it.
933
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,240
We don't get it.
934
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,240
All right.
935
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,240
Okay.
936
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,240
Let's do some tarot.
937
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Tarot.
938
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,240
Beautiful.
939
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,240
Welcome to the tarot.
940
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Hey, Tee.
941
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,240
You kind of is.
942
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,240
Wait, I could do it.
943
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,240
Wait.
944
00:58:52,240 --> 00:59:04,440
Oh, look at you getting fine.
945
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,440
Let's see.
946
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,440
Okay.
947
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,440
I'm going to fan these out.
948
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,240
I'm sending in my intense energy.
949
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,240
Yeah.
950
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,640
It's very intense from the looks of it.
951
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:14,640
Where are we pecking?
952
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Wherever you feel.
953
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:16,640
I feel like this one.
954
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,640
I don't know.
955
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,640
Oh.
956
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Oh, what'd we get?
957
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,640
This is the two of swords.
958
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,640
Oh, okay.
959
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,840
I'm a piacetouille.
960
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,840
Two of swords.
961
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,000
I feel like we get a lot.
962
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,120
It's like the blind-folded woman with that, well, this card's a PWDEC.
963
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,120
So it's a mole.
964
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,080
But it's supposed to be like a blindfolded woman with two swords crossed.
965
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,080
Okay.
966
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,800
This is interesting though, because it kind of looks, well, I know it's a mole.
967
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,120
So he's coming out of the ground.
968
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,040
But like when I first saw it, I was like, oh, he's like on a cliff or a mountain.
969
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,480
Oh, that's a good point.
970
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,480
Yeah.
971
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,480
I didn't think about that.
972
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Oh, I just had another thought.
973
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,280
Let me get it out before we start doing it.
974
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,600
Because you know, I always wait and then I'm like, wait, what was that?
975
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,840
Who's that now?
976
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,840
So like a mole is like hidden underground.
977
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:13,960
Like a lot of you think of just like hiding away and like being out of sight of like people.
978
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:14,960
Is that lucky?
979
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:15,960
Yeah.
980
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,960
That's like the vibe.
981
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:17,960
Yeah.
982
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,960
That's, that is a vibe.
983
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,960
Okay.
984
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:31,600
Keywords are combined resources, courage, faith, friendship, conflict and balance.
985
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:38,640
In some tarot decks, this card depicts a blindfolded woman holding two swords crossed over her chest.
986
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,480
Two's generally signify balance or conflict as well as pairing.
987
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,280
It's a lot of conflict.
988
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,280
Yeah.
989
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,280
The pairing.
990
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,280
Yeah.
991
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,240
That's kind of exactly what my, where my head went to as well.
992
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:59,680
I think of the two of sorts as the blind faith card because it can represent courage and making
993
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:06,000
decisions based on your own truth and in some cases spiritual guidance.
994
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,160
The upright two can symbolize balancing the right and left hemispheres of your brain,
995
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,320
combining intuition with intellect.
996
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:21,160
Knowing this card may mean you must make a decision and need to call on both.
997
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,760
I feel like they made a decision and didn't call on either one.
998
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:31,800
I feel like immediately I identify this as being that particular excerpt.
999
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:38,920
I feel like I identify that as being sort of the struggle for Marcus because like you mentioned
1000
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,760
he's an adult and you know in theory he could leave, right?
1001
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,760
I don't know.
1002
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,640
That just sort of spoke to me I guess in that way.
1003
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,000
This too can also advise you to take off your blindfold and look at a situation honestly.
1004
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,520
I was literally just thinking of all of the people who were like looking at this stuff
1005
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:04,600
and like kind of they were seeing it but they weren't actually seeing it.
1006
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,600
Well they weren't seeing the forest for the trees.
1007
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,560
I think that's kind of the turn of phrase, right?
1008
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:17,800
In a reading about money the upright two recommends trusting your own wisdom and inner guidance
1009
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,680
in a financial matter.
1010
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,600
Pay attention to your intuition as well as logic.
1011
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,800
If the reading is about your job you may be confused or conflicted about a work related
1012
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,880
issue.
1013
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,320
I feel like maybe that sort of speaks to the friend.
1014
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:40,000
Or the like the police or the people who are supposed to be checking up on the kids or
1015
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,840
have faith in your own judgment and ideas.
1016
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:50,000
Make the call for the welfare check I guess.
1017
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,320
Sometimes the upright two represents a job that requires both intellect and imagination.
1018
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,320
Interesting.
1019
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,320
Okay.
1020
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:05,240
This next part I just sort of skimmed and I feel like a lot of the reporting and different
1021
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:11,920
things like other creators or journalists like any number of people that I've seen sort
1022
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,480
of discuss this case.
1023
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:21,280
There's almost sort of a general consensus that Jennifer like we talked about like she's
1024
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,920
the leader, right?
1025
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,800
And Sarah went along with things and those were not the right choices to be making but
1026
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,680
that like she's not the primary perpetrator.
1027
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:33,680
Right.
1028
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaking about love, this card suggests listening to both your head and your heart.
1029
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:45,760
It can mean you and your partner hold conflicting perspectives or that you're trying to resolve
1030
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,040
differences and find harmony.
1031
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:56,280
Sarah was said to have been the one that at times was she was thought at least to be sort
1032
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,800
of trying to protect the kids and be like the shield for them.
1033
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,180
How true that is I think it's probably really difficult to say in hindsight and there's
1034
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:12,200
so much about cases like this where how could we ever know?
1035
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Right.
1036
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,200
You can't.
1037
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,200
No.
1038
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,120
So it was buried under a molehill.
1039
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,120
Yes.
1040
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:24,680
The two is interesting just I think from the perspective of you know it's the pair of them.
1041
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:25,680
Yeah.
1042
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,720
Like we say the leaders of this family as it were.
1043
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,720
Should I look at the little book?
1044
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,720
I haven't done that in a while.
1045
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:34,720
Yeah.
1046
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:35,720
It was actually that's funny.
1047
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,040
You say that because I was like, Oh, I was going to suggest just in case the sort of like
1048
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:45,640
the P and W book like the interpretation or sort of the little the mini stories that
1049
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:46,800
go along with it.
1050
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,680
Sometimes that adds sort of some insight.
1051
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:51,680
Sometimes we'll see.
1052
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:52,680
We'll see.
1053
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:53,920
Oh, so this is interesting.
1054
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,200
It's a coast mole.
1055
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,560
So he's at the coast.
1056
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,560
Wow.
1057
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,280
That's pretty interesting.
1058
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:06,980
In decision, difficult choices, confusion, stalemate, acting with incomplete information
1059
01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:13,120
blindness is the key words for this stalemate and acting with incomplete information.
1060
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,120
I mean, whoo.
1061
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,120
Yikes.
1062
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,120
Okay.
1063
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,120
Let's read this.
1064
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,120
Okay.
1065
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:24,320
The mole stopped digging as she sensed a change in the soil ahead to one side.
1066
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,360
The earth was drier and potentially more stable to the other side.
1067
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,440
The dampness might mean more abundant selection of worms and slugs.
1068
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:33,440
Yum.
1069
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,440
Food.
1070
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,280
Oh, God.
1071
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,800
They had plenty of it, but didn't share it.
1072
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:46,040
Maybe the roots in that direction would keep the tunnel stable or maybe she should go deeper
1073
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,120
where the soil was more densely packed.
1074
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,760
She wrinkled her nose and rested, paralyzed with indecision.
1075
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:59,400
Her mind sniffing down the infinite branching paths that the future tunnel before her could
1076
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,400
take.
1077
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,480
Oh, wow.
1078
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,000
But she couldn't deliberate forever.
1079
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:11,100
The mole made a choice and resumed digging, taking the first blind steps in her journey
1080
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,100
onward.
1081
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:17,240
It just makes me think of like the driver making the choice.
1082
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,080
Well, I mean, even Sarah.
1083
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,080
Yeah.
1084
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:28,960
Because she's making choices all along as well that are impacting everyone, the entirety
1085
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,560
of the situation.
1086
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,560
Yeah.
1087
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Yeah.
1088
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,400
Seems like she was probably being abused though, too.
1089
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,400
Yeah.
1090
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,240
Seems highly likely.
1091
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:42,040
I think that there are some pretty strong indications of that.
1092
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Especially when you consider too that, you know, based on what we know, it seems like
1093
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,800
she took the fall for Jennifer.
1094
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:49,800
Mm-hmm.
1095
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:50,800
Yeah.
1096
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,800
She did it.
1097
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:52,800
Yeah.
1098
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,800
Yeah.
1099
01:06:53,800 --> 01:07:02,600
I mean, it's like the more dominant aggressive or, I mean, domineering is a good word.
1100
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:08,840
Personality just sort of determines the fate of all of these people.
1101
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:09,840
A lot of people.
1102
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:10,840
Yeah.
1103
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,880
Did it bring up any of the stuff that you were thinking you might want to mention?
1104
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Mm-hmm.
1105
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,880
Okay.
1106
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:23,080
I mean, I think it's a very emotional information that I have and just sort of things I thought were
1107
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,240
worth maybe reviewing or discussing.
1108
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:26,240
I don't know.
1109
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,240
Blanket.
1110
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:36,920
Um, co-workers told police that Sarah Hart once arrived at work with her hometown covered
1111
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,000
on her name badge when she was working at Coles.
1112
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:46,160
And she explained that her wife, Jennifer, did not want people to know where they lived.
1113
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,160
Oh.
1114
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,640
Which I feel like that's fair.
1115
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,920
But, hmm, Washington is a big state.
1116
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,000
Woodland is a, I would presume of fairly expansive area.
1117
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,000
Why not?
1118
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
Why not?
1119
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,280
Use that on the name.
1120
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,640
I think that probably is the better question.
1121
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:07,640
It's kind of weird.
1122
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,840
It does seem really weird.
1123
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:09,840
Yeah.
1124
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,840
I don't know.
1125
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,440
Or maybe put your hometown.
1126
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,440
Yeah.
1127
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:19,560
Somewhere in South Dakota or where you came from, you know, Alexandria, Minnesota.
1128
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:26,800
But I think the key here is that it seems like she's trying to thwart anyone ahead of the
1129
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:34,200
game, trying to thwart anyone that might be trying to sort of triangulate them for whatever
1130
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,200
reason.
1131
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,440
Oh, I mean, true crime.
1132
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:43,920
So I kind of feel like, yeah, probably don't the city where you currently live.
1133
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,200
But also it seems like just given the circumstances, it seems a little, it's us.
1134
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:50,200
Yeah.
1135
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:51,280
And it's like you're at work.
1136
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,680
So obviously you live in the area, right?
1137
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,680
Right.
1138
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:55,680
And I don't know.
1139
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,760
I don't know exactly what, you know, I don't know what city the Coles was in.
1140
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,760
I didn't, I was like, I couldn't give a fuck.
1141
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:04,760
Yeah.
1142
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,880
Oh, actually, that's a lie.
1143
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,640
It is in my notes here.
1144
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:11,640
Sometimes I lie.
1145
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,880
It's always on accident.
1146
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:21,440
Video security footage captured the last sighting of Sarah Hart on March 23rd as she drove
1147
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:28,160
her sunfire away from her job at the Hazel Dell Coles.
1148
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,640
So I guess if you work in Hazel Dell and you don't want people to know that you live
1149
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,640
in Woodland.
1150
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,640
I don't know.
1151
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:40,080
Seems like does still kind of seem like a stretch.
1152
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,640
We should do the bleep button.
1153
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,320
Like I don't go around telling people that I live in which is something you should never
1154
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,320
do.
1155
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:48,320
Don't do that.
1156
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,320
Don't tell people that.
1157
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:50,320
Okay.
1158
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,320
And I live in.
1159
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:59,600
Oh boy, I'm really glad that you censored both of those.
1160
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,600
I find you.
1161
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:01,600
Oh my God.
1162
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,600
You were just talking about that the other night.
1163
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,600
I'm like, I'm like, I'm being...
1164
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,600
Okay.
1165
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,840
Anyways, we're not even going to go there.
1166
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,960
It's too much.
1167
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,840
So a little bit more.
1168
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,880
Neighbors told police they never saw the family's SUV.
1169
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,240
So this is the ugly brown car.
1170
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:29,760
Without their red kayak, a fixed to the top until the family drove away together March 24th.
1171
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:30,760
Oh.
1172
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:31,760
Interesting.
1173
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:32,760
Yeah.
1174
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:39,160
And I was like, I don't know what the logic is behind that exactly, but it's just any sort
1175
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:45,000
of a deviation from like such an ingrained habit.
1176
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:50,240
And looking back and hindsight, seeing those things and understanding, I'm not sure exactly
1177
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:56,360
what the motivation was, but just seeing how they did something different and what did
1178
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:57,360
that mean?
1179
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,960
That is, it's weird for one to have a kayak on your car all the time.
1180
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:03,960
All the time.
1181
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:04,960
Also, it's red.
1182
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,000
So like it's another one of those things like, hey, look at me.
1183
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,600
What am I doing?
1184
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,600
But to like take it off when you...
1185
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:13,600
Yeah.
1186
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,200
You've practically like, say what you're going to do.
1187
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,560
You're going to escape the car and use the kayak.
1188
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,720
They were drugged.
1189
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,200
So I don't know.
1190
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:30,000
I was like, I can't let this fester in my mind.
1191
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,480
I just have like a really icky thought of like they cared more about like the kayak than
1192
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:36,480
the children.
1193
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:37,480
Right.
1194
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:42,040
But they're obviously not going to survive presumably as well.
1195
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,040
No.
1196
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,320
Like they know that they're intoxicated and they're not going to be capable of escaping
1197
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,320
the vehicle.
1198
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,040
So you're never going to see the kayak again either.
1199
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:55,400
But someone else could use the kayak can live on is like the awful thought I was having
1200
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,120
was like, I see how you got there.
1201
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,680
I kind of had that thought as well and wow.
1202
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:01,680
Yeah.
1203
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,080
I just like put myself in like her brain of like, oh, let's take this off so we don't break
1204
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,920
it and like totally destroy it.
1205
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,280
Even though we're about to like murder all these people.
1206
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,280
Kill people.
1207
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,280
Wow.
1208
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,560
I thought, well, is that a bizarre take on that situation?
1209
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,560
And maybe that makes the most sense.
1210
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:19,920
I don't know.
1211
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:20,920
None of it makes sense.
1212
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:21,920
None of it makes any sense.
1213
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,880
And it never will.
1214
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:24,880
Yeah.
1215
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,760
Maybe this part makes sense.
1216
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:36,400
The house where they lived in Woodland located at 2501 Northwest 389th Street was a gray
1217
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:44,240
split level pictures of the home were attached to the affidavit for search warrant following
1218
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,360
the crash.
1219
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:54,520
And this was just striking to me and it was odd because I had seen quite a few pictures
1220
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,480
of the home interior and exterior at this point.
1221
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:02,600
So it wasn't just seeing the house itself.
1222
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:10,280
I think maybe it's silly that it didn't occur to me as I went to review the court documents
1223
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,200
that those images would be attached.
1224
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:21,480
Like maybe that's silly of me to not have seen that natural progression.
1225
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:27,720
Like yeah, they would attach photos of the home to the search warrant.
1226
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,040
Right.
1227
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,520
Maybe that's, maybe that was dumb.
1228
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,160
Like by just, you know, I taught it out for a minute.
1229
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:44,160
But I think or maybe, maybe it was just chilling to see them after having already
1230
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,400
learned so much about the outcome of the case.
1231
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,840
Like seeing them and knowing that obviously something horrific happens and not necessarily
1232
01:13:52,840 --> 01:14:02,760
having researched all of the details myself and really formulated the full picture independent
1233
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:09,560
to, you know, what I'd heard and what I'd read really kind of forming the full narrative.
1234
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:17,640
I think where I landed was maybe it was just that for a family so present in pictures and
1235
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:27,480
videos online, particularly on social media and even at like political and activist rallies
1236
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:35,920
and things like that, it felt sort of weird for it now to be like the focus is on the photos
1237
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,120
of of this like ghost of a house.
1238
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,360
It's like a haunted house in a way.
1239
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,360
Yeah.
1240
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,720
It's like what I was picturing while you were talking about it.
1241
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:45,720
Yeah.
1242
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,360
It just, I don't know, it sort of takes on a different dimension in my mind.
1243
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:51,360
I don't know.
1244
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:56,720
It's like maybe I'm letting myself get carried away, but I just feel like it's, it's very
1245
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:57,720
haunting.
1246
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:03,520
It's haunting to see the photos in connection with now like, okay, well, we gotta go and
1247
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,680
search the house and figure out what, what else is there?
1248
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,200
What did they find in the house?
1249
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,080
Like, did they find?
1250
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,000
Polette, not a stuff, not good stuff.
1251
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,000
Nothing like that.
1252
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,000
Nothing like that.
1253
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,960
I want to be clear that there, as far as I'm aware, there were no indications of, you know,
1254
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,000
CSA or anything like that.
1255
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,200
That would be truly, truly horrifying.
1256
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,600
I mean, all of this is, there's a picture of them.
1257
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:40,880
I just opened it as I'm trying to look at some of the photos from their Woodland house.
1258
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:45,120
There's a photo of them and they're in the t-shirts.
1259
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,920
There's a photo of them of Jennifer and Sarah with some of the kids out in front of the
1260
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:52,920
Goonies house.
1261
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:53,920
Oh, okay.
1262
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,320
You sent me a picture of fruit on the counter.
1263
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,120
Like a lot of food on the counter and a lot of wine.
1264
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,120
Yep.
1265
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,600
That's from inside the family home where they can bake apples.
1266
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,720
No, I think those were real apples.
1267
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,480
Just really not for the kids.
1268
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,400
Two people cannot eat all of those apples.
1269
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:14,400
Like that is enough apples.
1270
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,120
They're going to go bad for the six kids.
1271
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,240
They have like such a big yard too.
1272
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:22,240
They did.
1273
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,600
There was a lot of spots for the neighbors to hide food for the kids.
1274
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,200
So you'll see what I mean.
1275
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:35,680
Clearly they didn't spare any expense furnishing and/or stalking the fridge.
1276
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,640
The rest of the house.
1277
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,240
They had a doggy too.
1278
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,240
I guess so.
1279
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,240
Where's the doggy?
1280
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:43,240
No idea.
1281
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:50,720
I don't know if that dog was still around when that's unclear to me.
1282
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,720
Very nice furniture.
1283
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,240
Here's another one.
1284
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:59,880
I'll just let you open it before I say anything.
1285
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,600
The kayak is that Jennifer?
1286
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,440
That is Jennifer.
1287
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,560
Matching her red kayak.
1288
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,560
I'm sorry.
1289
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:10,560
Are you sending more?
1290
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,000
No, I'm saying sorry for this photo.
1291
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,720
I am sending another one.
1292
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,720
No.
1293
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,560
That one makes me so sad.
1294
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,200
Keep Portland weird.
1295
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,680
They're on Burnside.
1296
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,000
They all look so fucking cute too.
1297
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,120
Why can't you just be this?
1298
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,960
Why?
1299
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:38,480
Just love these kids that you actively, arguably went to a lot of effort to bring into your
1300
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:39,480
lives.
1301
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:42,040
They look like such cool kids too.
1302
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,600
They're all sweet.
1303
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:51,080
They look like they all have such just cool, unique personalities.
1304
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,080
They look like they be really fun and funny.
1305
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:02,640
And they seemed like they wanted to do what their parents asked of them.
1306
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:03,640
Yeah.
1307
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,040
And even if they didn't, it's clear.
1308
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,600
I think in hindsight that it's like, well, you're not going to not do what.
1309
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,240
Yeah, that is true.
1310
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:17,480
Yeah, when you see them in some of these photos, it's pretty chilling.
1311
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:20,120
It should have been so different.
1312
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,120
Yeah.
1313
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,120
Okay.
1314
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,440
Okay.
1315
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:29,800
That one was really, really chilly just because for us, Portland, obviously, that connection
1316
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:34,360
is way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, miss any one more.
1317
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:35,360
Oh.
1318
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:41,400
Oh, so kind of chilling with the cliff in the background to be honest, but it's a beautiful
1319
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:42,400
photo.
1320
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:49,120
And I feel like, God, this is the version of them that I feel like I want to remember.
1321
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:56,720
You know, yeah, God, there's just like so many lives lost in like one fucking moment.
1322
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,760
Oh, senseless.
1323
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,440
Just the most horrific and selfish thing that I can really imagine.
1324
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,640
You guys, this one's funny enough a little bit.
1325
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:07,640
I'm not going to lie.
1326
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,200
I'm like, I want people to adopt kids.
1327
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:15,880
Like, I want all the kids to be taken care of, but not if like you're a fucking terrible,
1328
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,400
gross, disgusting person.
1329
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,400
Yeah.
1330
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,120
Certainly not if you're all of those things.
1331
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,120
Yeah.
1332
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:26,160
If you're just weird, that's fine.
1333
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,160
Yeah.
1334
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,520
Be weird like in a cool way.
1335
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,520
Be weird.
1336
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,520
Be queer.
1337
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,960
Just don't be a fucking murderer.
1338
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:33,960
Yeah.
1339
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,160
I don't think there's anything more to say about this.
1340
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,680
I feel like we are really struggling to feel like we want to leave it in a different place
1341
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,000
than where we are.
1342
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,840
And we can't know.
1343
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,600
Should we do the thing that we do?
1344
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:47,600
Yeah.
1345
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,800
It's an adventure that we're going to go on after this.
1346
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,640
I'm hoping that it cheers us up.
1347
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:56,200
I mean, it has more to do with the type of thing that Cassie enjoys.
1348
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:57,200
So we're not.
1349
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,200
But it'll be better for me.
1350
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,200
Yeah.
1351
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,320
She's going to be great after this, you guys.
1352
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:08,440
I mean, while we'll be traumatized and then more traumatized.
1353
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:09,440
That isn't true.
1354
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:11,440
You're going to have so much fun.
1355
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:12,440
I hope so.
1356
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:13,680
There's booze involved.
1357
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:14,680
Ooh.
1358
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:15,680
Okay.
1359
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:16,680
I'm listening.
1360
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,680
I'm just a hot.
1361
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,480
Spoiler alert.
1362
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:21,480
Okay.
1363
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,680
Let's do the things.
1364
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,680
Have a creepy ass day.
1365
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,680
We'll see you next Tuesday.
1366
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:28,680
See you next Tuesday.
1367
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:29,680
Sure.
1368
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:30,680
Fucking asshole.
1369
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,680
Yeah.
1370
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,320
Who does pointless, senseless things to innocent children.
1371
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,320
Ooh.
1372
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,840
Fuck off and don't come back next Tuesday.
1373
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,080
Or any other day, really, for that matter.
1374
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,760
But especially Tuesday.
1375
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,680
That's our day.
1376
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:45,680
It.
1377
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:46,680
Aw.
1378
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,680
That was fucking sad, Caitlyn.
1379
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:51,680
I know.
1380
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:52,680
You goddamned bitch.
1381
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:53,680
I know.
1382
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:54,680
That's amazing.
1383
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:55,680
I love it.
1384
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:02,680
That's amazing.
