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Can you imagine your child being approached by a stranger in a familiar place like a park or an arcade? We'll walk you through two unnerving encounters in which quick-thinking parents narrowly averted potential child abductions. We'll scrutinize the recurring description of a man believed to be in his 30s, with distinguishing features that could hold the key to solving these spine-chilling incidents.
On this week's unnerving journey we'll delve into the layers of complexity that surround the heartbreaking case of Teekah Lewis. As a toddler Teekah was spirited away from her family while at a Tacoma bowling alley in 1999. We'll reveal the stark realities of her case but also reflect on the remarkable resilience of her family. They've never given up hope or stopped searching for answers.
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I'm hoping to be just a small part of maybe, just maybe, keeping this one at the forefront of the public's consciousness. Tika Lewis, born July 4th of 1996, would be 27 years old today, having just celebrated a birthday recently. But it's hard to know exactly where the story ends for Tika and her family. Hi Cassie, hi Caitlin, hi creepy people, hello.
Speaker 2:If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, paranormal and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then at the end of every episode we do a tarot reading so that we get a little bit deeper insight into our topic for the episode. So make sure you stick around if you're into that.
Speaker 2:Yes, we're back to doing that. We're doing it.
Speaker 1:Like normal yeah.
Speaker 2:We're back to normal-ish, normal-ish.
Speaker 1:Normal-ish, normal-adjacent, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sad anyway today, Caitlin, so this is the best time for you to hit me with one of your stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this feels like kind of a double whammy, and I apologize.
Speaker 2:It's okay, I'm already here, take me, just Everyone, come down here with me. Oh boy, join me.
Speaker 1:I'm going to start today's case by telling you about two other stories that happened nearby. Okay, it's always good when it feels like there's sort of a backstory right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess so, unless you're telling me about multiple murders, multiple bad things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. Listen, you know what you signed up for, yeah, yeah, I'll start by saying that in each of these scenarios, we're discussing a parent's worst nightmare. Okay, which, in case that wasn't already clear, is a child abduction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of caught on to that. Okay, yeah, cool.
Speaker 1:Thought you might be picking up what I was putting down. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, or in these first two instances, it's an attempted child abduction.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:A small six-year-old boy was partied to an incident in an arcade. His mother had been keeping a watchful eye on him. It was at one point, when she was doing a cursory check on him, that she was horrified to find a man bent down, speaking to her son and even holding his hand. Ew, I know right away, that's just big nope vibes.
Speaker 2:I don't have kids, but if I saw one of my friend's kids with a stranger like that, I'll fuck no.
Speaker 1:I know, Nothing would get me flying off the handle any quicker than that. I think she overheard as the man claimed to be the boy's father as she approached.
Speaker 2:Thank God she was there. Oh, my God, I know.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine? She confronted this man and, thankfully, security escorted him from the building.
Speaker 2:Like, excuse me, you are not my child's father, I would know Right.
Speaker 1:You are not the father. The description of the man was vague so we'll put a pin in that, but his pockmarked appearance is of note, okay.
Speaker 2:Like acne scars type of thing, Pockmarked like his face.
Speaker 1:So that could be either acne scarring or chicken pock scars.
Speaker 2:Oh right, I have a shit ton of chicken pock scars. Oh no, I got a big old one on my cheek. Whichever side has the hole. Yeah, no not like that.
Speaker 1:No, you have one tiny.
Speaker 2:I have a bunch. All the other ones are hidden.
Speaker 1:Don't listen to her. But yeah, you could see, though, how it could happen, because I have the one, but if they're all over, yeah, of course, it's incredibly lucky that the adults in this situation acted quickly, and I'm sure the mother in particular was incredibly relieved that her child was safe. Later review of those sequence of events, however, would reveal that, though she had assumed the security personnel had called the police, they hadn't and, in fact, no report had been filed regarding the incident. That's not good. No, that needs to be reported. Exactly Seems like that could have been a pretty close call. Yeah, and they should be aware of that if there's somebody that's attempting abductions in the area.
Speaker 2:At an arcade. Yes, like the security people at the arcade, threw them out and didn't call the police. Right.
Speaker 1:Yikes. Yeah, you might be interested to know that the second story involves a man matching this same description who was spotted at the Oakland Madrona Park. So a park, another kiddo, central place, less than a mile away from the bowling alley where our eventual story takes place Apparently attempting another child abduction in broad daylight. He's brave dude. I was just going to say it's pretty brazen, right? Yeah, it's a park. In this instance, the child's father was present and also able to intervene. The father of this child chased the man off and was able to give a statement to law enforcement indicating that the man drove off in a blue Pontiac Grandin, which really dates this specific story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Is it like? Is that 80s or 90s?
Speaker 1:It's 90s 90s. I mean safe bet. You've got kind of a window of sort of late 80s early 90s.
Speaker 2:I couldn't remember if you had said the year when you were describing it.
Speaker 1:I have not. Okay, but now that tells you right off the bat, right? Other details regarding the man's appearance have been reported as well. He was believed to be in his 30s, roughly, with shoulder length, brown hair, a mustache, large nose and, of course, pock marks on his face. Ooh yeah.
Speaker 2:Did he have a mullet? I just like I'm picturing him with a mullet and mustache and yeah.
Speaker 1:I know you are kind of you start to like really form that, like the sketches.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, I've got a composite sketch that's slowly taking shape in my mind. Yeah, and both of these occurrences were believed to be attempted child abductions both pretty brazen attempts, if you ask me, which you did because you're here listening. So that's like the same as asking I want your opinion. Now you might be wondering where exactly these incidents took place. Or maybe you're assuming somewhere in California, because I offhandedly mentioned Oakland, madrona Park. Hmm, I didn't even put that together. Yeah, oakland, I was like oh, california.
Speaker 2:I was just like hoping it wasn't my town again because I'm like over that, but I knew it probably had to be somewhere Pacific Northwest yeah.
Speaker 1:You were just hoping to put a little bit of distance between you and the child abductions. Yeah, okay, I get that, because I feel like, based on height alone, I'm not out of the woods.
Speaker 2:Yeah, seriously. People often think that you're my daughter. No, they don't.
Speaker 1:When I have my heels on, oh my God, but today our story takes place in the third largest city in the state of Washington. Now, if that doesn't clear it up for you, that's okay, because I personally don't memorize all of these random factoids about these Oregon and Washington cities. Yes, so in Tacoma, in Pierce County is southwest of Seattle by just over 30 miles and nearby to the state's capital of Olympia, by roughly that same distance. Some apparently know this city as T-town, though I've never heard it referred to this way.
Speaker 2:I've heard of P-town like Portland. Yeah, that's what we call Portland, so I can see how they could get there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've just never heard it. Yeah, so I think it's probably in the one or another piece of source material, said oh you know, t-town, and I'm like nah brah, I do not know T-town.
Speaker 2:It's just like only people who actually live in the town can call it that.
Speaker 1:Maybe I have heard it referred to more than a few times. As to Compton, which I'm sure probably many of us realize could certainly be seen as a problematic moniker for more than one reason, yeah, but again to be clear, we're talking about Tacoma.
Speaker 2:Yes, and to be clear, we're not calling it that. It has been said yes, so we're just putting it out there yes.
Speaker 1:I think I didn't do like a scientific test run on this, but I feel like if you were to Google T-town and Google to Compton, I think you got a much better chance of returning a relevant search result using Tacompton, unfortunately, oh dang it. So I don't like that, but that's where our story takes place. It's been a major hub for both the railways and seaport throughout its history. But if there's one thing we know about well-traveled and connected cities of this nature, it's that for many there's an almost implicit sense of danger. What you might not realize is that it's also known for its renowned Museum of Glass, as well as the home of the Washington State History Museum. Well, that's pretty cool, I know, I think so I would go to that. I would, for fucking sure, go to that. Now, before I go any further, I want to acknowledge that, relative to other cases, this one actually might be more well-known than one would think. In fact, it's very recently been covered by a podcast friend of ours missing in the P&W oh yeah, okay yeah and her episode features an interview with Teresa English. Put a pin in that. Who dat Exactly? I'm not going to tell you, but not yet. I've said on this case for a bit, because of how deeply sad the nature of cases involving children tend to make me Oddly for someone who's typically not their biggest fan. But you can not want to have your own and still want what's best for children. Two things can be true. They're like puppies, yeah, yeah. But here we are in today's the day. I'm hoping to be just a small part of maybe, just maybe, keeping this one at the forefront of the public's consciousness. Tika Lewis, born July 4th of 1996, would be 27 years old today, having just celebrated a birthday recently. Aw, yeah. But it's hard to know exactly where the story ends for Tika and her family. I'm going to get into it before I start to kind of lose it here. Born to parents Teresa English, who is native Chippewa and Caucasian descent, and father Robert Lewis, who was African American, tika was the fourth child in her family. It was on a busy league night, saturday January 23rd of 1999, that Tika was at the new Frontier Lanes in Tacoma, washington, with some of her extended family. Her mother had twins and her 10 month old in tow as well. Oh, wow, yeah. Tika meanwhile was a quiet, shy, two year old child but was being closely monitored by multiple family members. Her father was in prison at this time, which I state so that it's understood early on that he was not considered a serious suspect as it pertains to this case. Okay, because I think it can be really damaging to the entire family when a parent sort of becomes a focus in these investigations and it can be hard, even once you are officially cleared, for you to kind of regain your reputation. Yeah, new Frontier Lane's Bowling Alley was on South Center Street. It's a large bowling alley with numerous other activities in the arcade as well as an eating area and bar. So you know, all around good old family fun. I want a hot dog. Oh God, that sounds amazing. I don't know why I'm not much for hot dogs, corn dogs, corn dogs, corn dogs.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, later, that's where it's at.
Speaker 1:Her family had rented out two lanes that night, number seven and eight. Tika was just a few feet away from her family members and approximately six feet away from the building's exit.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I don't like where you're going with that.
Speaker 1:No, she was at a stage of life and of a disposition that rarely saw her venturing far from her mother. She was a serious mama's girl.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:She was in the arcade playing what's widely reported as a race car game, though, drilling down a bit, most of what I've heard and read indicates that she probably wasn't actually playing the game, so much as kind of just fiddling around with controls and enjoying that as completely free entertainment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could see that I do that still.
Speaker 1:I know I literally Cassie, I'm not going to say that in a sentence. As someone who isn't particularly adept with a good cross-section of arcade games and is also sometimes an appalling spendthrift, I could be caught doing just that for a minute or two today you put a wheel on something and it's free game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Literally a free game Tomorrow next week.
Speaker 1:You catch me not outside, catch me at the arcade. Yeah, yeah, Ooh, the bar cave.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, at any rate, I just thought that was a super cute detail with this story. It was, it is, it was, it was. It is, it was and it continues to be. Teresa was mere feet away and constantly checking on her daughter. She wasn't even actually bowling. She was just enjoying watching others play and having a little bit of light conversation while she's keeping an eye on her daughter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds pretty normal, like that's what you do.
Speaker 1:I think so, but of course I'm sure we all see it coming. In the brief moment that Teresa had her back turned to watch her brother take a single turn on the lane, her little girl disappeared. Teresa searched the entire arcade, which was situated near a side entrance, off a portion of the parking lot. She was completely panic stricken within mere moments, because it can happen that fast.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. He must have been like waiting.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean presumed he Right the person. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you're playing very nicely into my hands. Because she was so close to where Tika was playing and had been making every effort to keep a close eye on her, she was able to act quickly, but because every second counts, the security officer immediately instructed everyone to stop what they were doing to look for Tika. A search began right away when an off-duty police officer present at the scene working as a security guard made an announcement over the intercom system. They searched the premises, the bowling alley, arcade, bar area and, of course, the restrooms. When they realized she wasn't in the building, the search widened to the parking lot outside. As previously stated, it was a leak night at the bowling alley, so there was a very significant number of people there. Ultimately, the entirety of the premises would be searched by multiple individuals, I'm sure what amounts to several times over, like the entire place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could see that there's so many family members there too.
Speaker 1:Yes, Quite a few. It was reportedly just 15 minutes after the announcement was made by the security officer that a call was placed to law enforcement to report the disappearance. So this is happening pretty quickly after she's gone missing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is good. It has to happen, but it's still.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think most of us, even if you're not somebody who's super into true crime. You've probably heard some of the really stunning and horrifying statistics about how much time you have to find the child alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen law and order SVO yeah.
Speaker 1:It was at about 10.30 pm that Tika was reported missing. Tika had only been missing for roughly maybe 20 minutes at most at this point. That's, according to most sources, so pretty quick. When she went missing, her description was quickly circulated, first to everyone already present at the bowling alley and then shortly after to responding to law enforcement. And then, of course, it expands outward from there. Numerous officers reported to this call, immediately commencing an additional search and investigation. Some patrons claim they never heard an announcement about the missing child.
Speaker 2:I mean, are you always listening to the announcements, though?
Speaker 1:I think that's probably part of it. I think there are some other details that, even if it wasn't right away, over the years they've become a little bit disputed and I think sometimes that can be just due to kind of a faulty remembrance or sometimes, well, really in either case somebody's faulty in their memory. So it's just a matter of which side, and that's probably most of what I'm going to say on that topic. So again, it's possible they just missed the announcement, but there's also some that claim that they left without being aware that there was a missing child, and they also stated that their vehicle was never searched. So it's hard to know To them. They may have thought, well, they didn't pull me over, open the trunk and make everybody get out of the vehicle, but maybe law enforcement's doing just a cursory glance and they're like we don't see anything suspicious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Can they search? Just search people's vehicles.
Speaker 1:In that sort of an instance. I think that gets a little murky. I think at that point they're probably leaning into very heavily, hopefully, people volunteering. You know what I mean. Okay, I don't want there to be any question about whether or not I was involved. So, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Look at my car.
Speaker 1:That makes sense.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just thinking back to those announcements we were hearing even at Ghosts of Summer, where we were like we can't really hear it because there's so much going on. Yeah, and it's muffly, but then on the other side, if they're searching the entire place, you think they would have come up to almost everyone and been like have you seen this child, right? So whether they heard an announcement or not, you think that they would have known what was happening, you would think, somehow through osmosis.
Speaker 1:I feel like probably everybody, whether they heard it on the PA system or they see people looking around, and I feel like everybody should have been made aware. I can't speak to whether or not that was carried out in the way that we would hope I wasn't there. There's sort of conflicting accounts on that. I would say, more so the older the case has gotten, the more that certain things have become a little bit murky which is not the direction you want to go in. No, so again, it's possible that people just missed or kind of forgot about certain aspects of the evening, like that. But in many respects it seems like, in terms of what happened that night, law enforcement did show up quickly and they immediately took the child abduction pretty seriously. Now, whether they did everything 100% correctly I'm not going to say I can't, but the FBI and National Center for Missing Children would also both get involved with the case in an effort to return Tika to her loving family. The case also made America's most wanted Shit. Yeah, well, that's really good. Yeah, it's amazing. Some of these things did not happen until the case was a little bit older. No, tika was about three feet tall and 35 pounds. She was last seen wearing a green Tweety Bird shirt.
Speaker 2:Oh, Tweety Bird. I know I used to draw Tweety Birds. Oh, cute yeah.
Speaker 1:Can you still draw them when you draw one for the post, maybe? Okay, she was also wearing white sweatpants, as well as black and white Air Jordan sneakers.
Speaker 2:Oh, so hey, girl, she's like stylish?
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, her hair was pulled up in pigtails, though this many years later, it almost feels silly to mention she's unlikely to still be sporting pigtails. Yeah, but you just never know what someone might know or remember years later.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, even though I don't expect for her to be found still wearing a Tweety Bird shirt, I feel like those are important details to share, if that makes sense. Yeah, okay, that night Tika was also carrying get this a clear purse that sported a fish design containing Starburst candies, because, duh, they were her favorite.
Speaker 2:Oh, that is so cute.
Speaker 1:I know she's a young lady of discerning taste. Clearly, definitely yeah. She has a large birthmark on her left buttock Okay, sorry, tika and red natural highlights in her hair.
Speaker 2:Oh Gorge.
Speaker 1:Wow. At the time she also had patches of light discolorations on her face and the left side of her again sorry, tika, but her buttocks as a result of her eczema. Though Tika had both eczema and asthma, she was obviously well cared for and otherwise very healthy. Okay, I've mentioned this already, but her mother is of Native American descent, specifically Chippewa, so she sought both modern medical treatment and more holistic treatment options through tribal resources. For Tika that makes sense. I love that. A blend of sort of that naturopathic or holistic, however it kind of is categorized with also understanding the benefits of modern medicine. I think you can stand to benefit from both. Tika also had facial dimples and pierced ears. Oh, so you know I'm fucked up about this one already because, first off, this is a case involving a child and also because she seems like such a sweet and adorable one at that. Yeah, so great. Them dimples, man, I get you every time, you know. Now, while all of the information about what she was wearing and how she looked that night and at that stage of her life is incredibly key potentially to her case, it's also important to note that there are some concerning medical factors to consider as well. I mentioned Tika was asthmatic and required medical supervision as well as the use of an inhaler and or ventilator At that age. For a lot of kids, asthma can be really serious, super relatable, same and, honestly, even as an adult, one of my worst fears is needing my inhaler and not being able to find it because the ADHD of it all. She had received medical care prior to her 1999 disappearance at the Indian Health Practitioners in Pryolup, washington for both her preexisting conditions Again that's asthma allergies. She also dealt with eczema. I know a lot of kids have them. But speaking from experience, both of those things, all of those things they can be quite serious in some situations, particularly if left untreated. And unfortunately at the time of her disappearance the state of Washington did not have the Amber Alert system in place yet.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that was one of my big questions, but I knew you were going to get there, yeah, it's just heartbreaking. Because that could have helped yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the case that inspired the Amber Alert. I actually heard it for, I think, maybe only the second time very recently and there's a documentary that was made about her family before she went missing. There was a documentary crew already following her family when she went missing. There is footage of Amber 20 minutes prior to her disappearance why they were actually being followed by a documentary crew that was hoping to show what it's like for women that escape abusive situations and basically are trying to kind of start a new life for themselves and their children and kind of what happens when you're able to utilize the sort of safety net protections in place in society. And I literally I cannot talk about that one anymore. I'm just going to like start sobbing. It is the most horrifying and probably like underreported detail about that case ever and I had no idea. Yeah, I didn't either. I didn't either. I had no idea they'd already been being followed by a documentary crew, and I listened to a podcast about it recently. Maybe I'll link to that in the show notes. So people can go and listen to that episode if they want Like.
Speaker 2:if you didn't get enough with this, like yeah go right over and listen to that heart wrenching story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the documentary was never released because the people that were involved in making it were not garbage trash goblins, and as soon as you know, they realized that Amber was probably not coming home, they basically scrapped it. That's amazing, I know, because you just can't fathom that that's how that would play out these days to be honest, no, yeah, really really interesting story, and that episode just really fucked me up because I knew I was going to be recording this one soon. So, front and center, as far as the old grade matter goes, the next morning, local law enforcement, as well as Tika's family and friends, searched again both the inside of the bowling alley and the surrounding area as well, including a wooded area. Search dogs, including the famous canine Tunk, were brought in to assist as well, particularly in said wooded area. Oh, tunk, I know, and I could go off on a tangent about Tunk, but it's not your day, it's, you know, this is about somebody else.
Speaker 2:I want to hear about Tunk.
Speaker 1:I know, maybe we'll do a little something where I just put together some of his exploits. Okay, yeah, I'm down for that. Yeah, roughly 48 hours later, the police have a lead that at the time they considered very high priority. A woman called to state that she had pulled into the bowling alley. Around the time Tika went missing and noticed a dark colored vehicle pulling away from the scene at some speed.
Speaker 2:Okay, some speed. Was that like some speed or like some speed?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, some speed. Okay, got it. This was a dark colored Pontiac. It is either maroon or purple, likely a late 80s or early 90s model.
Speaker 2:Okay, does that match the description of the other one at the park? It's pretty close. Was that one blue?
Speaker 1:they said Exactly Okay, and I think, especially at night, blue purple, like that can be tough. It is, yeah. Based on this tip and the unsuccessful search up to this point, police tried to access security camera footage from the bowling area.
Speaker 2:They had security cameras Damn, I know.
Speaker 1:Well, only to find that there was none, prompting them to ask that anyone present in the building that night turn over any photos or videos taken that evening. Oh no, there weren't. At a league night, there was a really good chance that someone might have taken a photo for the event, that may have captured something in an image that could prove useful somehow. God wouldn't that be lucky. Sure would be Something you know, just anything that would provide them with something else to go on. Unfortunately, this idea did not bear fruit. For the investigation, teresa would take two separate polygraphs through the course of the investigation. Teresa would Her mother yes, okay, now this is really important. Police have actually been very careful to state that this is not due to an indication of guilt in the first round. Okay, and polygraphs being what they are and unreliable as they are, you know, it was just an attempt on their part to ask better questions. So she did not fail and then try to take another one. Okay, okay. In any case, regardless of you know how good or not good the questions were, she passed both times for what it's worth. Okay, that's great and we know polygraphs aren't really worth a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Back then I feel like they had a little more faith in them, though they did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it didn't make them any more valid, but they did put a little more weight behind them.
Speaker 2:I feel like now it's just silly, it's just like for show A little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting because definitely, depending on the state that you're in, they may treat that differently. Oh yeah, that's. You know, that's some states rights shit going on there.
Speaker 2:Interesting. We were just talking about that shit, weren't we? Yeah, sure were.
Speaker 1:Other family members also agreed to polygraph tests as well. Outwardly, they have clearly been grieving an abundantly cooperative family, like everyone Sounds like it, which I feel like is really important for a case like this to make that really clear, because so often these things are treated as you know. Oh, maybe it's a possible custody dispute or, you know, it's a family member abduction. It just does not appear that there's any possibility of that in this case. Along with some of the other heavy hitting efforts that I previously mentioned, you know, the FBI America's Most Wanted the Washington state homeward bound program plastered Tika's image on Gordon Trucks traveling all over the US in 2009.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know that that would like be a thing. Oh, it's a thing. I knew about milk cartons.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I've never seen one I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's a little bit before our time Old school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's like how they got information out.
Speaker 1:It really was. Yeah, I mean that's a. It's an iconic image for a reason. Yeah, we may have to get into that, dig into that a little bit, because I think probably there's a lot more interesting history around that that we may not even really be aware of?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that could be pretty interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree so that was along with other high profile or high priority cases. At the time, no substantial updates in the case were produced from any of the tips that that generated and at that point we're looking at already 10 years after she disappeared.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a long time.
Speaker 1:It's a long time and there were definitely a lot of situations where it was a situation of false hope, unfortunately, and some of those I'm not going to get into because we may actually cover them in depth at a future date to be determined. Okay yeah, every year there's a candlelight vigil held at that same bowling alley, for Tika Theresa even continued the tradition after the bowling alley became a restaurant years later.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:The bowling alley is now a home depot. Oh, holy shit. Yes, yeah, and everything that I, you know, looked at in terms of my research, indicates that's still the case. It has changed again since then. I'm unaware of that, but it wouldn't surprise me if you know, given another 10 years, maybe that even that is no longer there, it turns into a Lowe's? Yeah, could be, when it was built. Just a couple years later, investigators kept an eye on the property, suspecting it was possible that the construction may turn up. Remains. Yeah, which is very, very smart of them to do that. Definitely glad that they did, but pretty much the worst case scenario and just very eerie. Of course, nothing was ever found on the property. Tika's mother Theresa has since said in an interview with a local news outlet that she believes the current investigator will help her finally get answers.
Speaker 2:So she's still like hardcore looking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how intensive any of you know the efforts are in terms of it's not an active search.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of meant like her own, like in her mind and body. She's like hardcore, still searching.
Speaker 1:It's definitely more of a spiritual thing. I would think at this point yeah, but she's really it's never left her mind. That much is very clear. How could it? Yeah, of course, yeah. And the most devastating part about it for me, how can you choose the most devastating part, but? Is that she had other children that she had to care for? Yeah, so how you find the way to like, move forward and care for those other babies that you love, I don't know how anyone does it.
Speaker 2:I really don't. Moms are like crazy strong, yeah, all the ones I know anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1:Despite her long time hope that someone abducted Tika in the hopes of raising her as their own, what this detective that is currently working or tasked with her case has shared with her has led her to come around to the idea that he puts forth, which is that someone took Tika with the intention of doing her harm, and I cannot imagine the. It's a combination of how can you be honest in a way that is kind, and how can you be brave enough to confront something so brutal and so ugly with the parent of a missing child, but you don't do them any favors by lying right? No, um, that's a tough one, though, to face up to.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Could this be a case of a stranger abduction, a crime of opportunity? That same detective told her about the suspicious pockmarked man. His theory, as awful and sad as it is, seems to line up logically with many of the facts of the case to date, like the fact that Teresa thought that the side door was almost certainly too heavy for Tika to have pushed it open on her own, because that's another thing that investigators explored, and you know people helping with the search effort thought is it possible, you know, if maybe she wandered off. But if she didn't stumble out of her own accord and wander off, teresa believes it would be next to impossible for someone to whisk away Tika without causing a fuss. But maybe someone on an exceedingly devious mission that they had planned and prepared for, possibly including test runs, could have.
Speaker 2:Ew, I see it, though. It's all there like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's not to say that that's the answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because we don't know. But as years go by and you know, some of these things have come to light it increasingly seems like that's possibly the case.
Speaker 2:Well, even more terrible is we've all seen in the movies where they, you know, put some sort of chemical on a cloth and put it over their face. And if she was in kind of a seat car thing, I don't know, maybe no one would notice. And if he's just got a sleeping child on him or her I keep saying him because we all know why but like if they're just carrying out a sleeping kid, like who Right, who's going to question?
Speaker 1:that no one's really going to notice, right, I totally agree, and it's the thing that nobody it's one of many things that nobody wants to say about a case like this. Security guards were largely unable to identify other suspects in instances of child molestation and attempted abduction that occurred shortly before and after Tika's disappearance. There was a vehicle reported impossible connection to her disappearance. So a number of different colors reported, but in this instance Maroon, four door, late 1980s or early 1990s model Pontiac Grandin with dark tinted windows and a large spoiler. Of course you may recall, there's also a guy who matched a very similar description for the man who was spotted less than a mile away from the bowling alley at the Oakland Madrona Park that we talked about in the beginning, but also literally at the exact same location, because the little boy at the arcade that was this same arcade. I hate that, I know, but are you thinking what I'm thinking? The pockmark dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the one that they didn't call the police on.
Speaker 1:Uh huh, but this trail, just like every other promising trail, appears to have gone cold in the ensuing years. One name you might hear in connection to this and other cases in the area is John William Black. He was there that night and was a sex offender who had previously tried to abduct a three year old child from a different bowling alley in a different incident on a separate occasion. What the fuck?
Speaker 2:He was there and they know like Okay.
Speaker 1:They looked at him very closely and I will say this he has not been directly associated in the way that's meaningful for those of us, you know, listening or researching this case by law enforcement. But that's despite cadaver dogs hitting on a spot in his yard. Nothing was found and eventually he was cleared. But that's a little and again, you know there's a lot of things that we know a little bit more about, like cadaver dogs. That's a little bit of a point of controversy depending on, I guess, who you ask.
Speaker 2:I don't know very much about them, I know.
Speaker 1:I think there's a couple of things that probably we maybe need to do some sort of pinpoint, like really to show, when we talk about certain cases and it seems like there's damning evidence, why maybe it's important for us to understand how some of the forensic and investigative tools, how they, how they really work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, take me back to forensics class, Caitlin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think you know maybe we'll spend some time there on that coming up here, I like that stuff.
Speaker 2:That's the part about murder that I like. You know what I mean you could just say true crime, murder spilled out of my head.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do? There have been a number of times over the years that Teague's family have been given hope as a potential lead has been discovered. Of course, eventually a psychic pops up, as they do, and that pans out exactly as you'd suspect, unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, there's definitely cases where somehow, one way or another, they're able to come up with something that helps along the case, but those instances are few and far and in between. Yeah, then there's also the devastating instance that took place mere months after Teague went missing, and this is what I was alluding to in the first place, that I'm going to touch on this really briefly, and this is rough. So if you're just not so sure about it, maybe skip ahead. You can reassess if at some point we decide to cover this case in full. But not a happy moment for us in this. In this discovery the headless body of an African-American child was discovered and Teague's family law enforcement. It kind of seems like maybe this is it. Maybe now we've found Teague, and, as awful as that is, maybe there's a little bit of peace in that, knowing that you have answers. I hate it either way. I think we all do. But this would later be identified as a different missing child. Okay, so similar instances would reoccur over the decades that have since passed following Teague's disappearance. And again, I'm not going to dig into all of those instances in this episode because it's possible that I may cover those cases or topics in a future episode and also, and probably more importantly, some of those leads were chased down to no avail or connection with Teague's case. So while there are certainly interesting topics and aspects of the case and the investigation with an unsolved missing persons case, I feel as though I want to focus on anything that maybe still has potential. Yeah, that makes sense. I also feel like it's a little bit of a disservice to a completely separate victim to only ever be mentioned as a footnote relative to another open case.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah we've definitely seen that before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that fucking sucks. I can't promise I'll always nail it and I know that there are going to be times where we want to tell you about an aspect of a case and we're not going to go into it full depth and, you know, maybe at some point we get into those other kind of cases that are related or. But I want to do my best to give each individual their due, especially if their families are still waiting for answers. As sad as it is in many of the other cases that come up in connection to Teague's, those families have answers now. Yeah, at the time of her disappearance, teague's parents were split up, while her father was incarcerated at the McNeil Island Correction Center after being sentenced to four years related to theft charges. So it's important to remember that Teague's family was doing their best to provide a sense of normalcy and a strong family bond to all of the children. And again, I mentioned this because it's really important to know that the father is not involved in this and you know I don't know a lot about what his you know previous criminal record entails beyond that and I don't think it's important to the case. But again, it's like I just feel like in a case like this where you know what do we say? You know it's always the husband, it's always the parent. Yeah, it's not the parent. Yeah, like physically impossible, not feasible in the slightest. So I hate that. That is one of those things that you feel like you have to kind of drill home in a way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but especially, you know, with a criminal past, you have to kind of be like hey, just because they did a bad thing doesn't mean that they're going to steal their own child.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean Right. I do think that it's worth sharing because I do think that the other thing that I feel comes up in a lot of cases is people are like, Well, why didn't? Why does none of the source material cover this, or why didn't we know that about this person? They feel like they're being like details are being left out and I'm like, well, if it's not pertinent to the case, sometimes that's just the way it's going to go. But her uncle had won her a stuffed animal from the claw machine. That very night, Angel that she seemed to be Tika had announced to her mother that she would give the toy to her beloved baby sister.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:That night in the arcade she had several older cousins that were playing games very near to her as well. So, despite what some monster might have inferred based on what he assumed her nationality was or the color of her skin, or all of the other potential for prejudice that comes along with any of those things, tika was not a child that would go missing without being noticed. She has missed. She is loved, as every child should be. Tika's missing persons case was reexamined in 2020 and police provided an update about a previous statement by a teenager that was at the bowling alley that night. They made this statement public, though he had come forward to police right away about the white man he saw that night leaving with what he believed to be a mixed race child. He was not formally interviewed until all those years later. Why Not sure, and I think we can speculate based on a number of factors. Attempts to chase down leads all over the country make Tika's case the largest file on record with Tacoma cold cases. Holy shit, people have sadly even mistaken Tamika, her sister, for Tika because she bears such a striking resemblance to her.
Speaker 2:Oh, that has to be hard, like they definitely just think that they're helping, of course.
Speaker 1:But it just feels like such a bizarrely sad insult to injury for that family and for her in particular. But again, this family has remained strong in the face of a horrendous tragedy. Tika's parents would eventually reunite and marry following her father's release.
Speaker 2:Aww, that is so like opposite of I know a lot of things that we hear, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I felt like I constantly had to defend, sharing kind of the details about any of his criminal record. And now it makes a little bit more sense because, right, it makes a little bit more sense because after he's released, you know, they come together and they become this incredibly strong family unit that I mean. To me, that is just. I feel like that speaks to character and values and just the love that the two of them share in a way that fuck everything else. Yeah, you know, if you're a longtime listener especially, you might remember another child that went missing from the Tacoma area several decades prior. His name was George Warehouser.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, right, I didn't realize that they were.
Speaker 1:Throwback Thursday blast from the past, my dude.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's coming back to me when you were telling me about this, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:If you're new to the show but familiar with the name because you live in the Pacific Northwest, that makes sense. His story is of a child from a wealthy family kidnapped in 1935 and held for ransom, but his has a decidedly different and much happier ending than most of us would probably dare hope for in a case, especially one that's remained cold or at least relatively stagnant for this long, like Tika's has. The final item I want to leave you with regarding the case is this. Tika's Winnie the Pooh jacket that she had worn the night of her disappearance is now one of the last vestiges, one of the only physical items at least allowing Teresa and the rest of the family to hold on to any sort of hope.
Speaker 2:Oh, she had a Winnie the Pooh jacket, I know, and a Tweety Bird shirt.
Speaker 1:Dude, she was rocking all the best cartoon characters. That's sad. I know it's a tough one. I just feel like there's no good way to kind of come to a conclusion in a discussion about a case that we don't have answers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is no conclusion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there are so many other like kind of side tangents that we really could have explored. As far as investigation, you know what path that's taken over the years and it's really interesting. Honestly, we probably could have made this like a two or even a three part series, but I would encourage you to listen to Missing in the PNW, the interview that she did, that Carmina did with Teresa English, because there are some other interesting details about people that she feels could be somehow related to the case. It's very interesting. Over the years she's done quite a bit of different interviews and things and you can tell that for her this is almost like it just happened. It's heartbreaking. But she does have a younger sister that you know they'll never get to know each other and I feel like that's super hard. I hate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for bringing that up. Yeah, I know. I know so yeah, well, I'm going to go listen to that interview, not right now, but probably, like maybe tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe give yourself a little bit of breathing room on that, for sure, but I do want it to be like kind of fresh in my mind.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, tarot, yeah, let's do some tarot. I think it's necessary now. All right, tarot, let's do it. Okay, that was it. We did a bunch of shuffling before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cleansing shuffling. Pre-shuff Tika, okay, I'm just going to feel it out, okay.
Speaker 2:That one.
Speaker 1:And then I'm just going to grab this one just in case.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure yet, but I've got the 10 of pentacles in reverse, this lovely sign depicting how we're all feeling today. Meh, meh, oh. Okay, so you got the 10 of pentacles in reverse. Is that what you said? Oh, did you look at this card? I did not. Interesting, okay, okay, let me see it. Just read it.
Speaker 1:Okay, Okay. Keywords are abundance, fulfillment, inheritance, good fortune, property and family resources. The last of the PIP cards in this suit, the 10, represents fulfillment and abundance. Oh my God. In some decks the 10 of pentacles shows a happy couple, perhaps with a child, observing their luxurious home contentedly.
Speaker 2:Look at the. So look at the little child they're holding. Wow, I have absolute chills.
Speaker 1:Okay, the card has connections with family, but also the legacy of inherited resources such as good health, intelligence, cultural benefits, et cetera. You have plenty and can now share your riches with others. So let's go to our reverse interpretation. You may be so established at this point that you're stagnating. Maybe you've retired comfortably and now just sit around watching TV. The reverse 10 of pentacles can indicate problems with family members, perhaps frustration, disagreements or responsibilities regarding a family, business, property or inheritance. In a reading about money, the reverse 10 can represent losses or debt, which may be related to family troubles or obligations, or it can mean you don't inherit as much as you'd expected. Family feuds over money or property are possible. This card can also point to fluctuations in the marketplace or real estate values that threaten your security Interesting.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because you said they had such a strong family bond.
Speaker 1:I think if we look at this without even reading any of the additional interpretations, if we look at it just from the point of view that it's like they've been presented with such tremendous struggles as a family, I think that makes sense to me. That's true If the reading is about your job. You may not be using your resources and abilities fully or you may not receive the compensation and success you feel you deserve. A business, perhaps a family operation, may hit hard times Sometimes. This card shows you rejecting the material world for the spiritual one.
Speaker 2:That could make a lot of sense too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, here's where we get, I think, into the crux of it for me In a reading about love. Financial and or family problems may cause friction and unhappiness in a relationship. Responsibilities for children or elderly parents might play strain on you. Emotional baggage and old hurts may interfere with your happiness.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, yeah. It's amazing to me, though, that they still got married through all of that. They're obviously struggling and it's not a happy time, but they still came together, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is pretty wild One thing that I don't think I really touched on this, because it's in addition to the Gordon trucks that were traveling across the country, tika's grandmother, who passed away I'm not sure exactly when, but a number of years after she went missing she drove around with flyers and she had, I think, at one point, even a poster of Tika that was plastered onto the side of her van. Oh yeah, it's just. I don't know why, but the part where it says responsibilities for children or elderly parents might play strain on you. To me, I'm thinking, when you have a child that goes missing but you have other children at home, you have aging, elderly, potentially parents that have failing health at a certain point, the strain that that puts on you when you're already going through so much, I feel like it's very representative of their situation. Yeah, if nothing else, that is so wild.
Speaker 2:Was there any extra excerpts or anything? I have a few things once you're oh, okay, Before we're done.
Speaker 1:I don't. No, we don't have anything. Just pull one out of your butt. I like those, oh man. Well, I mean I can pull up, oh boy.
Speaker 2:Oh well, okay, Let me see what. So this card? What I was seeing is this little person. It's just a little person. You can't really tell if it's a boy or a girl. They're wearing a yellow shirt, Tweety Bird, Hello, oh. And also there's, you know, there's family around her and stuff, but there's all these coins which kind of remind me of like an arcade.
Speaker 1:Wow, you know why that's a really good parallel to draw. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, wow, interesting. Yeah, I think the other card that I was sort of torn between I'm not going to go into the full interpretation, but it's the Seven of Swords In the reverse as well- oh, okay. The keywords on this one are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning and strategy which feels I don't know, like the fucking, yeah, fucker, yeah, I mean the person that takes your child to me that's. There's two extra excerpts with this and obviously the imagery of this is very powerful, with you know somebody who's trying to balance all of these swords. So we have be focused and thorough in planning your strategy. As Barbara Moore writes in the Gilded Tarot Companion be on guard, oh, or one of those swords he left behind will find its way into his back. Wow, interesting. Does that feel like pointed like something you left behind is going to come and bite you in the ass? Yeah, let's hope so. Now this part. I am so glad that I decided to turn this one over and just take a look at it after all, because this is the second extra excerpt and you're going to actually shit your whole body. Okay, too late. Tragedy should be utilized as a source of strength, no matter what sort of difficulties, how painful experience is. If we lose our hope, that's our real disaster.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's definitely her mom, I know, can you?
Speaker 1:believe that? Yeah, oh my God, I, like every single one of my arm hairs, is standing up. Look at that.
Speaker 2:They are like goosebumps.
Speaker 1:Wow, I really hope that's true. I feel like that's between the two extra excerpts. I feel like it's like don't lose hope, because this person still may have left evidence, or something behind. We hear it all the time.
Speaker 2:Somebody knows something maybe, if you know something, say something, say something. God Say it. For fuck's sake, open up that damn throat, chakra. Oh, yeah, I love that. Oh, man, well, are we ready? Yeah, should I tell them the thing of why I was sad real quick, I'm not going to go into it because I'll cry. I know I'm sad because I lost my dog. She's already going to cry. My friend gave me this nice bracelet. It has a puppy paw on it and a heart, and they also gave me a card, and one of them was like a sunshine card, yeah. So I was like oh, I like that, yeah it sucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it does. I've been thinking about that. Thank you so much, so much in the last couple of days, I just it's hard. Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2:It's hard. She was old, she was nine and a half, but it was just like really sudden. It was something really sudden. So it wasn't wasn't really prepared for that, especially since I got like a 15, almost 16 year old dog who's yeah, we're like planning that end of life stage, prepared for that one, but not, yeah, this one we weren't quite prepared for. So, yeah, but it's okay, she's got brothers up there, she's happy. Yeah, Well, let's go. Before we cry our faces out.
Speaker 1:I know, stop it, come on, we have to go, okay.
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