Exploring the Esoteric: Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot

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Cheers, bitch!

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Episdoe 2 freaking hundred.

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We've done this 200 times!

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More than 200 times.

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More than 200 times.

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Yeah, because that's just our official episodes.

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We have bonuses and bonuses and again, good on other shows and holy shit.

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It's kind of like kind of hitting me now.

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Yeah.

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While 100 symbolizes success, 200 represents endurance.

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I’ll say.

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[Music]

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Don't try it yet.

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I just want to smell it!

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I just want to smell it.

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I just want to sniff it a little.

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I just want to sniff it.

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Hi, Caitlyn.

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Hi, Cassie.

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Hi, creepy people.

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Hello!

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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides.

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Where we chat about true crime, the paranormal,

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and all things spooky, creepy, and weird in the Pacific Northwest.

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The PNW.

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If you're nasty.

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And you are.

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And you are.

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So are we.

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All right, folks, you heard it here first.

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Cassie is the boss and it's been decided.

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We also do it here, reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.

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And today happens to be our 200 episode.

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Yay!

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Last episode we showed off this lovely Christmas present I got from my auntie.

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And yeah, we thought it would be a fun way to celebrate our 200th episode, you know,

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with our faces on a freaking wine bottle.

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How cool is that?

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Living the dream.

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I'm telling ya.

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Yeah, so we're gonna try it right now to celebrate it.

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We got a cheer.

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I'm so sniffing, okay?

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It actually smells really good.

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Cheers, bitch.

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I was like, "Two freaking hundred."

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Two freaking hundred.

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We've done this.

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Two hundred?

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More than 200, 200.

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Yeah, because that's just our official episodes.

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We have bonuses and bonuses and, oh my god, good on other shows and holy shit.

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It's kind of, like, kind of hitting me now.

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Yeah.

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I know I, we knew it was coming and I think we both talked about trying to play on something

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and what should we do?

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Because we're like, "Oh, it's a milestone."

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And then it's just now like, "Woo."

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Yeah.

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And our anniversary is coming up in May too.

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So we don't want to be like two celebratory, but...

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It deserves some celebration.

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Celebration.

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Okay, let's try the short name.

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I like it.

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I take back everything I've ever said about chardonnay.

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I still have the same thoughts.

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This, however, tastes like an orange wine.

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This is a really good...

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Let's see what it is.

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So we're not usually fans of chardonnay.

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But I was like, obviously, I'm going to try it because it was a gift and...

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I feel like my aunt knows wine and she's not going to give me anything bad.

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So I trusted her.

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She would never.

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She would never.

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She would never.

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So this is Josh.

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Josh Cellars.

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Josh Cellars is written in Teeny Weenie.

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So Josh Cellars, which I've had, I think I've had a different kind of this wine before.

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I think we've probably had on the pod a couple of different Josh Cellars wines, actually.

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And I don't know where she got...

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I assume she got the label through Josh Cellars?

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Because the label is...

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Oh, you're right.

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I think we talked about it because it's like a full...

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Sticker.

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It's all one piece.

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So yeah, so it's a customized bottle that she ordered through them.

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That makes...

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I want to go and look and see...

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Man, I want to order some more.

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I know, right?

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This is so cool.

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200.

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Oh my gosh.

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Do you know what that means?

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We've officially had to drink at least 200 bottles of wine together as well.

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That is pretty true.

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Well, should we get started?

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So I'm going to do kind of like what we did for episode 100, if you guys remember, we kind

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of talk numbers a little bit.

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So not the whole thing.

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I was going to have like a little bit of numbers talk.

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And then I do have an actual haunted story for you.

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Ew.

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So, you know, like angel numbers and stuff.

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People talk about those where if you see this number over and over, this is what it means.

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So I was kind of looking into that.

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So I was like, what is the number 200 mean?

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And I found a Pinterest quote I want to start off with that I think is very cute and fun.

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I'm excited about that.

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And this is like one of the, you know, Pinterest quotes where it's like the pretty quote in the

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picture and whatever.

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I linked it if anyone is curious.

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I want to see it.

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So number 200 heralds a harmonious symphony in your life urging you to embrace balance and

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trust the unfolding divine plan.

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Oh, okay.

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This numerical sequence serves as a reminder that your dreams are taking root.

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And by staying grounded, you can manifest a reality filled with abundance and spiritual

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alignment.

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I hope so.

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So she's like, that's kind of like the energy in the vibe of the number 200.

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I love that.

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So in general, 200 symbolizes abundance, wealth and success encourages you to trust your intuition

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and keep taking steps towards your goals because the universe is ready to open doors of abundance.

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I'm playing the lay.

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And I felt like if the number 200 were a poster, it would be like the hang in their cat.

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Like hang in there.

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It's coming.

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Keep doing what you're doing.

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Oh, my gosh.

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That just made me think of it.

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That kind of has a little bit of a tie in for anybody watching Severance.

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Not going to say anything more, but the poster thing that you just said.

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I'm like, oh, I also had a thought was that poster in the office too?

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I think it was.

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That's so funny because in the 100 episode, I did that quote from the office.

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Michael Scott.

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You miss 60% of the shot or the 100% of the shot you don't take.

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I'm getting it.

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I'm crossing wires here.

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I see.

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I see.

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There's a person of the time it works every time.

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Exactly.

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But ours was the 100.

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You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

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Which is like a hockey player's boat.

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Wayne Gretzky.

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When I wrote that, I didn't even really have a connection there, but it totally connects

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with our 100th episode too.

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I love it.

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So we're going to break this number down like we did last time too.

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All right.

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So in numerology, two represents balance, cooperation and partnership, the scales, like

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Yin and Yang and Chinese culture, two has an empathetic, compassionate and creative energy.

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Oh my God.

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Connected to the moon and the element of water.

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Oh, which is, that's interesting.

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I don't remember last time if we talked about 100 being like connected to.

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I plan it.

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Or that's 100 episodes.

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Right.

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I mean, my God.

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We didn't talk about a lot of other things in that episode too.

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So.

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This was on numerologistpro.com and they say people with a number two energy gravitate

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towards career, set involved entertainment or helping others, which I have this interesting

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because I feel like we're doing both.

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A little bit.

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Hopefully we're helping people.

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You probably more so me, but I don't know.

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Sometimes you just need to hear a spooky story to get you through the day.

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I mean, we can help and it doesn't always have to be in the same way.

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That's true.

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I know.

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I've heard people say that we make them laugh too.

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So hopefully that helps.

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Is it because our faces are fun?

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It says too that they might find fulfillment in acting circus roles or stand up comedy.

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Which I feel like I feel like yeah, we're really we're threatened the needle circus on

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all of them.

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So Pacific.

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So Pacific.

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And we are hilarious.

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We just talked about that.

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Obviously.

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Working in teams and being a part of the community brings them joy.

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So that's like the energy of two.

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Yeah.

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I feel like it's so us.

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And we did our birth chart thing for our business and we were like the Gemini.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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Which normally, I don't know, Gemini always gives me I give it a little bit of a side

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eye, but now maybe maybe I have a different perspective.

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It's just, you know, duality two sides, which is very us.

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I, yeah.

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Two heads, one brain.

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Basically, yeah, two genres, one show and zero, which we've have talked about before in

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episode 100.

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So I'm not going to like deep dive into it, but just as a refresher, it symbolizes new

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beginnings and endless possibilities.

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Zero also amplifies the energies of the surrounding numbers.

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Oh.

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And then this is interesting.

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So as an amplification of the number 20, 20 is associated with popularity and pursuing

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passions without lacking material.

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Well, so I'm like amplify that shit.

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Amplify it.

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Well 100 symbolizes success.

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200 represents endurance.

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Also, yeah, because it's like you, you get to the 100 and you're like, yeah, I'm there.

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We did 100.

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But then you got to do 100 more.

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Yeah.

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And 100 more.

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And so the fact that we made it another 100 is just like endurance.

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That is true endurance.

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It really, yeah, this is a, it's an intense team sport.

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And there is a tarot card associated with it.

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It's the high priestess, which is of course number two.

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So that makes sense.

274
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Oh, okay.

275
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Yeah.

276
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Number two in the major arcana.

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And we actually pulled that one pretty recently and the moon card.

278
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I feel like my last two episodes, we like pulled the moon and the high priestess cards.

279
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I think you're right.

280
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Yeah.

281
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So interesting.

282
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One was a little snapshot of the future there.

283
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Let's keep open soul.

284
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But that card, the high priestess, you know, we just talked about it.

285
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So you guys might remember, but it represents a lot of the same things like duality balance

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and intuition.

287
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And even if it doesn't really mean anything, I mean, we're at our 200 episodes.

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So like that means a shit ton.

289
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It does.

290
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Like universally, if it doesn't really mean anything, yeah, we are still too pretty cool.

291
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Weird witchy chicks who fucking had no clue what they were doing 200 episodes ago.

292
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And somehow are still here.

293
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I know.

294
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And now it feels like we literally have 200 lights in our, I'm sorry, excuse me in our pod studio.

295
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Studio.

296
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What?

297
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It's crazy.

298
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We just talked about this last night.

299
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We started off in a trailer.

300
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Yeah.

301
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We did.

302
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With no video and no lights.

303
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Yeah.

304
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We did.

305
00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,720
Yeah.

306
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At one point, we actually tried recording with one microphone too.

307
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We did.

308
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It did not go well.

309
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Yeah.

310
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I do think that we should probably say a little special thanks to some people too.

311
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Because we didn't, we didn't get her alone.

312
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I mean, mostly alone, but not completely.

313
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So special thanks to.

314
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And Caitlin's husband, Chris, helping with a lot of our technological things, the lives

315
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was the major help the camera set up like all of it.

316
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I've been thinking about that that it's like, oh man, it's time for us to probably think

317
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about doing another live.

318
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And I'm like, oh dear God, it's so much work.

319
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I know, especially with all this new stuff, like we just, I know we can do it.

320
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We just need to figure it out.

321
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And it's going to be a minute.

322
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Yeah.

323
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It's, it's very intense.

324
00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:48,520
So obviously special thanks to Taylyn, who does our social media and the videos for YouTube.

325
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And it inserts a lot of really funny stuff that we were cracking up about this morning.

326
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I know one of these days, the only way this show is going to stop is because I died laughing

327
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at something that Taylyn did with like a clip or I don't even have words.

328
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,360
Yeah.

329
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Chris was like, it takes a lot.

330
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To get like that much of a reaction out of him.

331
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Yeah, that was, yeah.

332
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So it was a laugh.

333
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It was like a, I was like, how do I describe that?

334
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,160
It sounds weird to say he, he fully laughed out loud, but like he did.

335
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He did.

336
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And out loud.

337
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Out loud.

338
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Out loud.

339
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Out loud.

340
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,160
Oh my gosh.

341
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I was looking up.

342
00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,080
That was episode 197 that there's a funny, funny in the video.

343
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So I know there's a funny little insert of sound in the audio version.

344
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If you're listening like on Spotify or whatever, but on the Patreon.

345
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And it sounds like we're going to make that go a little bit wider that funny little clip.

346
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So it's a combination of animal sounds and it's always sunny.

347
00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,120
And I don't know.

348
00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,360
I don't know if anyone noticed or if we've talked about this before because I still edit

349
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the audio part.

350
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So it's always a little different.

351
00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,480
So if you've listened to the audio and you're curious and still want to watch the video,

352
00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,280
it's kind of like a different experience.

353
00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,200
It's the same story, obviously, but there's inserts, funny stuff.

354
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,320
And she edits, she leaves things in the eye, take out and vice versa.

355
00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480
Like they're just a little bit different.

356
00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,480
Yeah.

357
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:35,000
I think as much as obviously we started as, you know, audio is the primary medium.

358
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:41,880
There are certain things where it's like now that we have help and we're kind of expanding

359
00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,880
on platforms.

360
00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:49,720
There's so many things that we would have cut out for audio only that now it's like, oh,

361
00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,720
this is so cool.

362
00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,120
We can leave this in for YouTube or make a little clip for social media.

363
00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,120
Yeah.

364
00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:04,040
People can actually see because there's so many funny or just like, whoa, things that happen.

365
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,480
But it just doesn't hit the same as audio only.

366
00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,480
Right.

367
00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,720
Sometimes you have to see it and things won't translate in audio, especially for like showing

368
00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,480
something and then not describing it, which is exactly.

369
00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,280
Sometimes we have a problem about it.

370
00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,280
And that was an oil.

371
00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,280
All right.

372
00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:27,520
So I wanted to do a tarot poll for just our 200th episode in general.

373
00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:35,360
And we this morning went somewhere and ended up purchasing a new tarot deck.

374
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I know.

375
00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:42,600
I go there all the time and I always go and I browse and they've got crystals and all kinds

376
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of fun goodies.

377
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,320
And I've seen a lot of things that I thought would be kind of cool for us to play with or

378
00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,040
to have on our shelves.

379
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,440
But this was like, we got to have it.

380
00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,280
We hate to have it.

381
00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,280
Got to have it.

382
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Haste to.

383
00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,600
Because we don't have one.

384
00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,600
We don't.

385
00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:03,600
Yeah.

386
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,600
I mean, we do know.

387
00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,600
We do now.

388
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,600
So let's show.

389
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,920
Okay.

390
00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,920
We should say we did kind of a crazy thing that we've never done before.

391
00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,920
So like up to 100.

392
00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,400
Who knows what's going to happen next?

393
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,440
No one knows.

394
00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,720
We decided to just stop in the middle of our recording and scrap what Cassie had researched

395
00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:31,400
because it was not nearly as interesting as the new Thoth Tarot, that tarot deck that

396
00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,080
we got that we initially started like, Hey, how do you pronounce this?

397
00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,440
And then we started researching just things come up and we're like, man, this is interesting.

398
00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,320
Maybe we need to stop research the Thoth deck and like come to you with some info about

399
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,320
that.

400
00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,280
Do a tarot reading with it.

401
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,160
And that's the episode and save Cassie's research for next time.

402
00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:59,600
Here we are and we did it and we did the damn thing weird in real time.

403
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,160
Yes, it was very strange.

404
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,160
Okay.

405
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,000
Are you ready for?

406
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000
Are you ready for that?

407
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000
I'm so ready.

408
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,000
I'm so interested.

409
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000
All right.

410
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:16,000
Well, as advertised, this is hardly going to be a deep dive.

411
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000
Right.

412
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000
Yes.

413
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000
Very surface level stuff.

414
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,440
But it did spark.

415
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:28,440
I feel like some inspiration for maybe future episodes or all the dives and yeah, absolutely,

416
00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,440
absolutely.

417
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,280
We will be back.

418
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:37,680
And we can't say when we're not really ready to like commit.

419
00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:45,720
But Edward Alexander Crowley, also known as Aleister Crowley, was born to a wealthy and

420
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:55,320
devout evangelical Christian family on October 12th, 1875 in Royal Lamington Spa.

421
00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,320
Spa.

422
00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,320
Spa.

423
00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,320
Spa.

424
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:05,880
It's a spa town in Warwickshire, England, which is something that I had to look up.

425
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,200
But it's quite literally what I thought it sounded like.

426
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,200
A spa town.

427
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,200
A spa town.

428
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:20,760
A spa is a location where mineral, rich spring water, sometimes sea water, is used to give

429
00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,560
medicinal box.

430
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,720
Oh, okay.

431
00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,560
Very fancy pans, energy here already.

432
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:36,240
He was sent to prestigious prep schools and no doubt lived a very charmed life at least

433
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,040
for a time from an outside perspective.

434
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,640
I come from a spa town.

435
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,640
A spa town.

436
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,960
It's just so interesting.

437
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,600
It's very locked to you down.

438
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,400
You want to live in a spa?

439
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,600
Honestly, yeah.

440
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:57,320
And I feel like we kind of briefly touched on that feels very fancy, but also I feel like

441
00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,240
there are some low key ties to the occult.

442
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,240
Weird.

443
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,480
If anyone knows anything about Aleister Crowley.

444
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:14,920
Yeah, which it won't be hard to outdo us in terms of knowledge about Aleister Crowley

445
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,920
at this point.

446
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:21,920
But it is also very interesting that he came from like such a religious, like evangelical

447
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,920
Christian family.

448
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,440
I don't think I knew that part of it.

449
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:32,800
Very religious, but also the money upbringing is very, I mean, it makes sense.

450
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,400
He's pretty entitled.

451
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,160
He gives an entitled five.

452
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,160
Well, that.

453
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:42,520
Well, but his father's passing was said to have marked a decided turning point in his

454
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,480
young life.

455
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:50,480
Despite his immense privilege, he began exhibiting behavioral issues at school before being

456
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,480
removed.

457
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:59,360
And at the same time was said to have been plagued by an extremely unusual health issue.

458
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,040
albuminuria.

459
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,720
I think we're going to look that up.

460
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:13,120
I intended to, but I feel like I looked at it and I said, aluminum.

461
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:16,360
That's what I thought you were saying.

462
00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:25,040
albuminuria. is often asymptomatic, but in some cases may cause a whitish foam to appear

463
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,440
in a sufferer's urine.

464
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,680
Ooh.

465
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,320
Like peat like bubbles in his pee.

466
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,240
Uh huh.

467
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,040
Like a, like a, your pee and a beer out.

468
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,040
Right.

469
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:44,240
Like you're foaming at the mouth as if one were rabid, but it, uh, at the mouth of your dick,

470
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,240
if you will.

471
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,400
Yum.

472
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,960
They may even develop swelling in some of their extremities amongst other even rarer side

473
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,960
effects.

474
00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,040
But in other news, unrelated to what was coming out of the tip of his penis.

475
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,120
Yes, let's move on.

476
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:10,760
It has been said that he went against the Christian morality of his upbringing by smoking, Mr. Bid.

477
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:17,120
And having sex with sex workers from whom he would contract gonorrhea.

478
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,120
Damn.

479
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,440
On top of his foamy peepee dick.

480
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,440
I know.

481
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:27,720
Which sounds like an STD in and of itself, but it is not.

482
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,920
I mean, that sucks that he had, like some condition.

483
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,920
Those are tough times.

484
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,920
Yeah.

485
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,520
But the one he contracted, I mean, that'll happen.

486
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,520
Yeah.

487
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,520
Yeah.

488
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,760
You know, listen, hey, if you, if you play the field long enough and aggressively enough, it'll

489
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,760
find you.

490
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:45,760
Right.

491
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,360
Which I, I don't think there's anything wrong with.

492
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:53,720
No, I think it's a natural part of, unfortunately, if you're not having protected sex, that's, you

493
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,160
know, sort of the, that's, uh, you pay to play.

494
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,480
And this was as it were back in the day, too.

495
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,200
Oh, man, in the day, not present times.

496
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Correct.

497
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Yeah.

498
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,200
Although same rules apply.

499
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,200
Yes.

500
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,200
Rapid before you tap it.

501
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,200
Yeah.

502
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,700
Yeah.

503
00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:16,400
He did go on to receive his education from Trinity College at the University of Cambridge.

504
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,400
Oh.

505
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,400
Where's that at?

506
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,400
England.

507
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,400
England.

508
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,400
Yeah.

509
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,400
Okay.

510
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,400
A fancy place.

511
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,400
Fancy.

512
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,400
It was during this time that he was said to have adopted the name
Aleister.

513
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,400
Hmm.

514
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,920
So that's not his real name.

515
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,920
Right.

516
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,920
What does his real name have?

517
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,240
It feels like kind of a mashup of his real name.

518
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,800
It is Edward Alexander.

519
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,760
So Aleister kind of feels like if you just like mushed him a little bit.

520
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,760
But like cooler.

521
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,760
But like cooler.

522
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,840
I wonder how I just like wonder how he came up with that, you know?

523
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,840
Yeah.

524
00:22:52,840 --> 00:23:00,680
You know, and I didn't come across so far anything that indicates like what's the genesis

525
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,160
of this, but there might be info out there.

526
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,760
We'll deep dive on it sometime in the future.

527
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,760
Guaranteed.

528
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,760
Guaranteed.

529
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:16,760
From there, he became not only a poet, novelist and mountaineer, but additionally an English

530
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,680
occultist and ceremonial magician.

531
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Oh, does the ceremonial magician mean it's not like magic, right?

532
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,720
It's like magic as we think of it like spells and stuff.

533
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,240
It's not like I mean magician.

534
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,240
What am I magician?

535
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,240
Right.

536
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,400
Doesn't that mean like a flight of hand like unclear?

537
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,400
Unclear.

538
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:48,240
I'm not prepared to provide you more information about the nature of the ceremonial magic.

539
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:55,160
Because ceremonial makes me think of it as like a like you're doing like a spell or something.

540
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Something very formal, not just like cutting a woman in half.

541
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,320
That's fair.

542
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,320
Okay.

543
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,320
Yeah.

544
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,200
I have to say that I would probably agree with that interpretation based on the facts and

545
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:15,760
but again, you know, for a future deep dive, he was also purportedly a very accomplished

546
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,000
chess player.

547
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:25,920
At one time, having considered having a go as a professional, which is we agree the most

548
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:32,720
privileged, rich, white man career choice that one could make.

549
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,720
Until.

550
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,920
Until then he continues to make increasingly privileged white man choices.

551
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,880
But you can because he has a privilege white man.

552
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,080
That is his privilege must be nice.

553
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:53,680
People biographers have pointed to a significant experience often described as mystical in nature

554
00:24:53,680 --> 00:25:01,400
that led him to recognizing his bisexuality while in Stockholm in December of 1896.

555
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400
Hey, get it.

556
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,400
Unlimited.

557
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,400
Unlimited.

558
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,400
Unlimited.

559
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,400
Unlimited.

560
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,400
Who has it?

561
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,400
You know, 1896 in Stockholm.

562
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,400
Am I right?

563
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400
Those were the days.

564
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,400
Yeah.

565
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,120
All the little gay there.

566
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,120
Maybe.

567
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:22,240
I mean, in my mind, we're all a little gay all the time everywhere.

568
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,560
But she's like, as someone who's already a little queer, I just assumed that y'all are

569
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,560
on the same page.

570
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,320
If you're not, I don't get it.

571
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,320
I don't.

572
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,320
You don't get it.

573
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,560
Yeah.

574
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,560
I can understand that.

575
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,640
I feel like there's so much about any aspect of lived human experience that you're like,

576
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,760
I just assumed everyone was doing it the way I was doing it.

577
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:54,520
While he continued his education at Cambridge, he maintained a very active sex life, primarily

578
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,360
with female sex workers, eventually contracting syphilis.

579
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:00,560
Oh, shit.

580
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,880
He got gonorrhea before and now syphilis.

581
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,880
Yeah.

582
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880
Dang.

583
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,880
Yeah.

584
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,880
Yeah.

585
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,880
Yeah.

586
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,880
Yeah.

587
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,400
Never mind you that he has a privileged, wealthy white man.

588
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,400
That's true.

589
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,400
Okay.

590
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,400
Yeah.

591
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,400
It makes sense.

592
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,400
Yeah.

593
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,400
Does that help?

594
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,400
Okay.

595
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,400
Okay.

596
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Thank you.

597
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,400
Glad to be here to help.

598
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,800
Despite same sex relations being illegal at the time, he would partake and enter into a relationship

599
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,080
with Herbert Charles Pollitt.

600
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,080
Oh.

601
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:39,840
I have decided it is Pollitt because it seems like it could be French in origin.

602
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:47,160
But there's a lot of elves and a lot of teas and I, hmm, that's what I've decided.

603
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,480
It's called Herbert Charles.

604
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Charles.

605
00:26:51,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Though the pair with later split do in large part to Pollitt's disinterest in Western esotericism,

606
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,920
much to Crowley's regret.

607
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,760
Both his disinterest and then also the breakup.

608
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Oh.

609
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600
A lot of regret about more than one thing for Crowley's.

610
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840
I don't know what are you going to do?

611
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:18,000
In 1904, he married Rose Edith Kelly and the pair Honeymoon in Egypt, where he wrote his

612
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:26,200
now infamous "The Book of the Law," which is not studied in law school to this day.

613
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,200
What is it?

614
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,400
What is it the law of?

615
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:35,920
The icing on the cake was that his new book would become the basis of a new religion.

616
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:43,760
He went on to establish known as "Thelema," for which he was of course self-appointed as prophet.

617
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Of course.

618
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,160
Who else would be prophet?

619
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,160
Jesus.

620
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,160
Jesus.

621
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,160
Jesus.

622
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:56,040
It's interesting that you would just call it the book of the law.

623
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,240
Like why wouldn't you say the law of something?

624
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,240
Thelema.

625
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,240
Thelema.

626
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,240
Like Thelema, Thelema.

627
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,000
The book of the law is so generic.

628
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,000
I don't know.

629
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000
Maybe that's what he was going for.

630
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,200
Maybe someone will pick this up not knowing what it is.

631
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,720
It's the book of the law.

632
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,720
What law?

633
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,720
I don't know.

634
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Not interested in sharing that with you.

635
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,720
I wish we would just pick it up and read it and find out.

636
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,120
You just need to be specific in your titles.

637
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,120
I don't know.

638
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:23,120
Do you?

639
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,320
Also, it feels like it's worth noting.

640
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:34,480
Finally, you've contracted conceivably almost every sexually transmitted disease on God's

641
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,480
green earth.

642
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:41,800
And now, you are indeed ready to settle down with your, with your bride.

643
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,480
I'm ready to be committed to one person.

644
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,360
I think we will learn is actually, factually inaccurate.

645
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Right.

646
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,240
But again, this is not a deep dive.

647
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,320
I can't imagine someone who see, okay, I don't want to diagnose because I'm not a doctor,

648
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360
but it seems like he might have had like a sexual addiction.

649
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,160
All of the prostitute, it just seems like it.

650
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,400
I mean, it definitely seems like there's something spicy going on in that brain.

651
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Yeah.

652
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:15,040
As we discussed, off my previously, as we were researching, I think there's a combination

653
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:23,240
of, I think we got sort of an error 404 situation going on in certain parts of the brain

654
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,240
here.

655
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,240
I don't know.

656
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,320
I can't imagine he was totally faithful, but I don't know.

657
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:36,760
I can't imagine either because as it happens, it doesn't, the historical texts don't seem

658
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,160
to support that.

659
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,200
It seems that tracks.

660
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,560
Yeah, I'm not going to get into it right now.

661
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:50,400
What I am going to tell you is that eventually, Thelemite groups were established abroad

662
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,040
as far as Australia and parts of North America.

663
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
I'm interested to know how he got people on board with him.

664
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,880
You know, I have a lot of follow up questions as well.

665
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,880
It's the law.

666
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,160
It's the law.

667
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Doing no small part to his copious intake of hashish, Alistair's life became increasingly

668
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,400
bizarre and mystical.

669
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Notably at this time, his inheritance was reportedly dwindling.

670
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,520
I mean, if he's, if his life is her expensive y'all, well, it's like, yeah, and his life

671
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,320
ambitions were like to be a chess player or like what it was the other thing.

672
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:38,120
I think that's the only true professional ambition that he's expressed at this point.

673
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,760
There doesn't seem to be a career making money here.

674
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Yeah.

675
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,760
That's what I'm seeing.

676
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,760
Yeah.

677
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,880
A little bit, a little bit.

678
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,840
We're going to wrap up here.

679
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:54,600
He was a complicated human that has fascinated generations, even given what have been interpreted

680
00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,920
and fairly so problematic and at times, appropriative behavior.

681
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,960
By the time World War II rolled around, he was said to have begun working to infiltrate

682
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,840
German forces in order to assist British intelligence.

683
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,480
So very interesting.

684
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,080
He's also like moon lighting as a spy.

685
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,520
I could give him the, it's he just doing this on his own.

686
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Was he working for the military?

687
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Like, who gave him the okay to go do this?

688
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,880
And clear.

689
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,880
Unclear.

690
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,720
Definitely a thread that I would like to pull at.

691
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Yes, please.

692
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,720
That is it.

693
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,720
What?

694
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,720
Yeah.

695
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Yeah.

696
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Wow.

697
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:42,720
Before his death in December of 1947, not long after the end of World War II, which as we've

698
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:51,680
established is my Roman Empire, Crowley became an expliquibly linked with all things asotaric,

699
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,400
spiritual and otherwise.

700
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Woo-woo.

701
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Oh.

702
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Very, very associated with like a cult thing, too.

703
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Yes.

704
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:01,840
Yeah.

705
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Yeah, a cult was a good word.

706
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Could have used that.

707
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,840
Decided.

708
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,840
I would.

709
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,840
You said it previously.

710
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Yeah.

711
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,720
But I just wanted to drive home kind of the the occultness of it because it's going to come

712
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,400
up and what I'm going to talk about here in a second.

713
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440
That's fair.

714
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,120
So obviously he had a hand in creating the Thoth, Thoth.

715
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,120
Thoth.

716
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,120
Thoth.

717
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Thoth.

718
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:33,360
I think we decide we we did listen to a lot of videos and a lot of pronunciations and we

719
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,160
found a video from a museum.

720
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,080
It was like an Egyptian museum.

721
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,080
Yes.

722
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:46,000
And it said, appeared to be the the informational voice over the museum stuff said, Thoth.

723
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,000
So.

724
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,240
That's what we're going to go with because we've heard those we've heard taught.

725
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,000
We've heard tote in all different types.

726
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Basically any possible phonetic pronunciation based on any language that has ever existed,

727
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:12,120
there are so many iterations of this and it is from what I gather hotly debated.

728
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Yeah.

729
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Didn't it say like something about we actually don't know how the Egyptians pronounce things

730
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:25,920
that that is something that I came across where it does not appear that there is a consensus.

731
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,840
I'm really interested to look into that further.

732
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Yeah.

733
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:39,440
And we spent a fairly exhaustive amount of time looking into that pronunciation alone,

734
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,400
which is why Aleister Crowley is receiving somewhat of a deep dive or a shallow dive I should

735
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,400
say today.

736
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,400
Yeah, definitely inspired the need to look into all this stuff further.

737
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Yeah.

738
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,640
Because it's just fascinating.

739
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Well, there's just so there's just so many questions.

740
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,680
And I guess we did we should probably start off by saying, Thoth is an Egyptian god.

741
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,680
Yes.

742
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320
So that's like where the name comes from.

743
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:13,040
And this Thoth deck was essentially the book of the law in tarot card form.

744
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,160
So which is kind of crazy.

745
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,160
That is crazy.

746
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,160
I had no idea.

747
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,120
So we're about to do a reading with the book of the law.

748
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,400
The book of the law.

749
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,560
It uses the same basis as the writer wait Smith deck.

750
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,320
But yeah, which came first.

751
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,680
We'll talk about that next.

752
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,040
But this deck is more explicit in esoteric than the Rider–Waite–Smith deck.

753
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:46,440
See and to me that those two terms seem almost conflicting because esoteric implies that

754
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,920
it's a little bit more mystical and almost unknowable.

755
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Whereas explicit is like, I think explicit in the art, the art.

756
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,240
Like, the art is explicit.

757
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:59,160
Yeah, I guess explicit does have a multiple meaning.

758
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,160
Yeah.

759
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Okay.

760
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Well, I'm glad that you say that though.

761
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,240
And it makes sense based on the handful of cards that we've reviewed.

762
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:08,240
Yeah.

763
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,760
So I think, I mean, I think so.

764
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,240
There's like boobies and shit in the, yeah.

765
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,680
So maybe they don't, maybe they do mean more straightforward because there's something

766
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,680
a little bit later.

767
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,680
We'll get to that.

768
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,280
We'll get to it in a second.

769
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,280
Okay.

770
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,000
But so I just wanted to go over.

771
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,440
So the writer wait Smith deck was first.

772
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,560
They created that 1909.

773
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,240
Okay.

774
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:39,760
And it was created by wait was the, I don't know his first name, I didn't write it down.

775
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,760
But wait.

776
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,760
Want me to look?

777
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,760
Yeah, very fine.

778
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,760
Okay.

779
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Wait was the author of the interpretations basically.

780
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,360
Okay.

781
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Pamela Coleman Smith did the artwork.

782
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,600
Yes.

783
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,840
Writer was just the publisher.

784
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:59,240
They literally had nothing to do with any of the art or the writings.

785
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,080
They literally were just the publisher.

786
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,080
So it's funny that their name is first.

787
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,400
That's so wild to me.

788
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Yeah.

789
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,480
And I know there's a lot of kind of, I don't know, there's hot takes, I guess, for lack of

790
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,880
a better term about, you know, wow, some of the, you know, the credit is unequal.

791
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,880
Yeah.

792
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:25,680
And I knew, you know, that it was a split in terms of, it was a collaborative effort to

793
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,200
create the deck.

794
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,040
I may have known at some point and I've simply forgotten since, but the fact about the publisher

795
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,040
is right.

796
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,520
That's mind blowing.

797
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,000
And it was originally just the writer wait deck.

798
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,920
Like they didn't even include Pamela Coleman Smith.

799
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640
That is the piece, which is like very upsetting.

800
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:51,160
And that is the piece that I know has created so much controversy around the writer wait.

801
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,160
And we're going to call it Rider–Waite–Smith as I think I would call it Waite–Smith–Rider

802
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,160
to be honest with you.

803
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,160
That's what I would call it.

804
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Yeah.

805
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,160
That is wild.

806
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Yeah.

807
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,960
So yeah, she came up with a, like, she did all of the artwork and then, you know, she added,

808
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,760
I think her little signature and all of the, the, they're all hidden on each card.

809
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,840
And so yeah, she had a huge hand in that.

810
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,360
But this deck was developed by members of the order of the Golden Dawn.

811
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,640
So they were all members of the order of the Golden Dawn.

812
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,160
I don't know about writer because that was the, yeah, that's the publisher.

813
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,720
Yeah, that's the part I'm not going to assume but that.

814
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,640
Wait and Smith were.

815
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,960
But also, probably was a part of the member of the Golden Dawn for a little while.

816
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,480
And he broke away to create his own religion.

817
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,480
I forget.

818
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,480
Thelema.

819
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,480
Thelema.

820
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,160
I always, I think of Thelemites is the word that I know.

821
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,160
So Thelema.

822
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Yeah.

823
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:56,120
So he broke away, created his own religion where he was the prophet.

824
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,120
It's fine.

825
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,600
We all should do this, you know?

826
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,520
It's only the soft deck was created.

827
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000
It started being created before Aleister Crowley passed away.

828
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,360
It was like 1938 to like early 40s.

829
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,360
Okay.

830
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,760
Where it was created, but it wasn't actually printed until he passed away.

831
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,760
Interesting.

832
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,600
So that is a long ass time.

833
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Yeah.

834
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,640
I feel like he was kind of working on that.

835
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,800
My feeling was because he was like running out of money.

836
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,960
He needed things to sell and to do.

837
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,000
So I feel like he was kind of working on that but he ended up passing away.

838
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,280
I don't know.

839
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Working on his German spy career.

840
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,440
Yeah.

841
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Wow.

842
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:46,240
That's why it's kind of interesting that they still went forward and printed it after

843
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:52,200
his death and he was the one who created this religion and this tarot deck to go with his

844
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,200
religion.

845
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,200
And it just, yeah.

846
00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:00,600
But if you think about it, I mean, his estate, whatever that consists of and then anybody

847
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,320
else that's involved with this creative project, there's still, this is intellectual property

848
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,480
that they still all stand to benefit in some dorm or fashion from.

849
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,880
So it's like on the face of it, you're like, why did you still publish a feedard?

850
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,240
But, but if all the work was done, yeah, because, yeah, the bill, y'all.

851
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,120
And the artist for this deck was a Frieda Harris.

852
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Yes.

853
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,480
And I want to read a, just a small quote from the little interpretation book from Frieda.

854
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Yeah.

855
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,880
Read a little, read a little Frieda.

856
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Read a little from Frieda.

857
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,480
There's a little section in here in the interpretation book that came with the tarot

858
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:49,480
deck, the remarkable series of surrealistic tarot paintings prepared by Lady Frieda Harris

859
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:56,240
under the guidance of Aleister Crowley, a test both to Lady Harris's unique art talent

860
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:00,720
and her patience and ability to work with a demanding mentor.

861
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,520
Ah, yes.

862
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,080
I thought that was interesting.

863
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,680
They put that in the book, which was printed after his death.

864
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,760
So I have to imagine he did not approve of that being in there, but who knows?

865
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,800
I mean, but also who cares?

866
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:22,000
But I can't imagine working under him like how hard just to even get this artwork approved,

867
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,240
how hard that would have been.

868
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:30,160
Like how much mansplaining did she have to endure?

869
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,160
The mansplaining.

870
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,440
I can't.

871
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,640
But it is his, it is based off of his religion that he wrote.

872
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,440
So I mean, I'm sure he had a lot of.

873
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,680
He had created and then ripped off the tarot deck from somebody else and just like inserted

874
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,720
his own stuff in there.

875
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:47,720
It's fine.

876
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:48,720
Yeah.

877
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:59,960
With a lot of appropriated cultural ethnocentric ideals and principles and iconography and so many

878
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,960
things.

879
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920
So many things.

880
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:09,480
The whole Egyptian thing, I kind of didn't quite, I don't think I knew or really associated.

881
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:15,240
So it made me think of the Oculus Anubis episode where we were like, why is Egypt like

882
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,740
bad?

883
00:41:16,740 --> 00:41:17,740
What is this?

884
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:22,720
Well, and here's the thing, I think it goes back to at a certain point in history and

885
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,480
stop me if you're literally about to say this.

886
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:35,480
But I think there was a certain point in history where the Western world became obsessed with

887
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,680
all things Egypt because it's culturally so different from a lot of her customs.

888
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,680
Beautiful.

889
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,840
And yes.

890
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:52,560
And so so fascinating and such a rich and beautiful culture and the artistry.

891
00:41:52,560 --> 00:42:00,760
This is why people literally bought things like mummy powder.

892
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:09,240
Holy shit, I wasn't prepared to do a dissertation on mummy powder, but it is exactly what it sounds

893
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,240
like.

894
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,440
Did they just like dust off a money and a mummy and just a jar?

895
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,440
It does.

896
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,360
It's not, it's not the dust off of a mummy.

897
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,600
It is literally mummy dust.

898
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,600
No.

899
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,040
Assuming that you had an even somewhat reputable seller.

900
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Yes.

901
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,360
Something where you're consuming someone, whoa.

902
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,360
That's crazy.

903
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,360
Yes.

904
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,360
I didn't know about that.

905
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Yes.

906
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,360
That's gross.

907
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,360
It's very gross for a lot of reasons.

908
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,360
Also, I think the least of which is cannibalism.

909
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Oh, no.

910
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Do people eat it?

911
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Yeah.

912
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Why?

913
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,600
Yes.

914
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:57,600
Again, like I said, not prepared to do a full dissertation on mummy powder.

915
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,000
We can revisit.

916
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,360
As I recall, a number of reasons that were cited for, I need to close with the purchase

917
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,400
and consumption of mummy powder.

918
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,920
This is a real thing.

919
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,920
Yeah.

920
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,920
What?

921
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:13,920
We can come back to that.

922
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,880
I was not prepared to learn that today.

923
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,880
I know.

924
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,120
And honestly, I didn't think that that was going to come up somehow, but of course, but of

925
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,880
course, it would.

926
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:29,400
I just kind of, I was prepared to blame all of the Egypt Occult Association on Aleister

927
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,880
Crowley because he went to Egypt on his honeymoon.

928
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:42,600
He used a very strong Egyptian imagery, influence in the tarot deck and everything he did.

929
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,360
And he was associated with the occult, too.

930
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,360
Right.

931
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,360
I feel like his--

932
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,360
He's created that.

933
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,360
It was like a melting pot of--

934
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,360
Right.

935
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,360
He's created that blanket.

936
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,360
Yeah.

937
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,360
Yeah.

938
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,840
So I think, I mean, I can't--

939
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:03,720
It's hard to say that any one person who's responsible for something that is so profound,

940
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:11,840
but I think it would be hard to divorce the linkage that he created and say, no, it's

941
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,520
because of this, I think.

942
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,400
And I think he's like the biggest-- if one of the biggest-- if not the biggest-- influence

943
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,560
in occult practices.

944
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,440
So certainly, yeah, very big name.

945
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,280
So the fact that he just stole all of this Egyptian, I say stole.

946
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,280
He stole it.

947
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,280
I mean, yeah.

948
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,520
It's hard to-- it's hard to put that a different way.

949
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Yeah.

950
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,280
Find him on Red Pill Reddit.

951
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,160
So we're just like connecting other episodes.

952
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,160
And wow.

953
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Yeah, I just didn't-- I really didn't even think about that connection there.

954
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,040
But that's when I come from.

955
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,800
And then-- so we're going to talk about some of the differences.

956
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,360
And there's not very many differences.

957
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,360
And--

958
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,360
Yeah, they are strikingly similar.

959
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,140
Yeah, the Rider–Waite–Smith the Waite–Smith–Rider Deck, and the Thoth tarot

960
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:05,140
deck.

961
00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:08,320
But there are some differences.

962
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,480
I want to talk about first though, we were going through the deck.

963
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,120
And I found this card.

964
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Mm.

965
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,960
And this is the backs of the cards, right?

966
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,360
That's the back of every other card.

967
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,360
Every other card.

968
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:26,720
And then all the other cards have a number and a name and all the normal things associated.

969
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:27,720
This one didn't.

970
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:28,720
It was just a symbol.

971
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,960
So I was like, what the fuck is that?

972
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,960
What is this?

973
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,440
And I tried to Google Image Search it on my computer.

974
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,040
And I took a photo on my phone.

975
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,680
And I sent it to my computer.

976
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,320
Did the Google Image Search on Chrome?

977
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,200
And it was like, whoops, something went wrong.

978
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,720
It would not search it.

979
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,320
So I was like, well, I'll send it to Caitlyn.

980
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,280
She did it on Safari, right?

981
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,840
Did it on Safari?

982
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,280
It was still a Google Image Search.

983
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,240
But it was on Safari.

984
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:55,240
And I'm--

985
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:56,240
But it worked.

986
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,240
I'm not saying the Apple is better.

987
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:00,120
I'm just saying one of us got a result.

988
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,120
And one of us was using the Apple.

989
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Yeah.

990
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,120
It's just weird.

991
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,120
And I have Chrome and Google on my--

992
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,120
We're using an Apple device.

993
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,120
Yeah.

994
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,440
So I don't--

995
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,760
Listen, who am I to say why things work the way they do?

996
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,040
But you have to have Chrome and Safari because sometimes things won't work on one another.

997
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,680
So I didn't-- anyway.

998
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,200
So walked on Safari.

999
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
I don't know why it didn't work on Chrome.

1000
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,640
That's just weird.

1001
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,760
Because I've done it before, for sure, with a photo from my phone.

1002
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,880
Absolutely.

1003
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,400
So I don't know.

1004
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,160
I thought maybe it was like the .heic tag at the end.

1005
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,160
I don't know what that's called.

1006
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,240
Yeah, but the file--

1007
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:36,560
It wasn't a JPEG.

1008
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,280
So I don't know.

1009
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,360
But I feel like it's worked before.

1010
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Anyway, it wasn't giving me anything.

1011
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,120
We're looking really weird.

1012
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,480
I was like, something doesn't want us to know.

1013
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,440
But it ended up working.

1014
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,600
And we found out that it is a six-pointed star.

1015
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,880
Like a different version of a star.

1016
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,200
It doesn't really look like a normal star.

1017
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,920
Yeah, it doesn't look like a star.

1018
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,720
It almost seems like a star in an Indenity symbol hybrid.

1019
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:08,240
Yeah.

1020
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,960
It's like two inverted triangles together.

1021
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Almost like--

1022
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,040
There's a lot of triangles potentially.

1023
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,040
But yeah.

1024
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,240
Anyway.

1025
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:24,880
So a six-pointed star originated

1026
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,520
with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

1027
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,960
Well, what?

1028
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,880
So he stole something else.

1029
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,040
You don't say.

1030
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,320
So he took this and then put his five-pedal flower

1031
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,120
in the center to represent a pentagram.

1032
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Interesting.

1033
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,160
Yes.

1034
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,440
And we didn't deep dive on why I just

1035
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,760
wanted to go over what that little symbol was.

1036
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,360
Maybe we'll deep dive on it at another point.

1037
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,680
But I thought that was interesting.

1038
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,520
I was like, what is this thing?

1039
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,520
It was just--

1040
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,120
It's very strange.

1041
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,120
Yeah.

1042
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,360
And to be honest, I think sometimes,

1043
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,080
especially with something that's like a cult or esoteric

1044
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,480
like this, the iconography, like the imagery of it

1045
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,640
can be really illuminating.

1046
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,280
Yeah.

1047
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,760
Mm-hmm.

1048
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,120
And I did say-- I did skip a little paragraph.

1049
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,840
I did say earlier we would talk about this.

1050
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,480
So some people think even though this deck is more esoteric,

1051
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,800
they tend to think the thought tarot is more accessible

1052
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,080
and more straightforward than traditional tarot.

1053
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,840
So like sometimes traditional tarot

1054
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,240
has kind of like got mixed messages.

1055
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,560
You kind of have to interpret what it means.

1056
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,240
Yeah.

1057
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,040
This deck, some people think, is just more

1058
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,680
straight to the point.

1059
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,760
I don't know if that's true.

1060
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,280
That's just some people's opinion.

1061
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,400
I'm very curious to find out.

1062
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,400
I'm excited to use it.

1063
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,600
I am as well.

1064
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,920
Yeah.

1065
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,520
I think I was aware a little bit of sort of a controversy

1066
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,080
between the two decks.

1067
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,080
But we have learned so much.

1068
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,680
I can't believe it's taken us to literally the day of episode

1069
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,640
200 to be like, listen, I just want to know more.

1070
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200
And the stars aligned.

1071
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Yeah, they totally did.

1072
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,200
Because we didn't know we were going to buy this tarot deck

1073
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,080
today.

1074
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,040
Like--

1075
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:23,680
No.

1076
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,920
We're kind of a fly by the seat of your pants type of pod.

1077
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,240
At times, yeah.

1078
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,080
I mean, with certain things.

1079
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:38,000
And honestly, I have been to this establishment so many times.

1080
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640
And I've not seen that deck there before.

1081
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:47,000
I might have seen other iterations of a thos tarot deck there.

1082
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,200
But I've not seen this one.

1083
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,720
And we were sort of himming and hawing too.

1084
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:58,440
We bought the massively large in terms of card size.

1085
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Yes.

1086
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,040
I'm a deck.

1087
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,720
Because we thought the other one didn't come with an interpretation

1088
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,280
deck.

1089
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,880
But I think probably both of them did.

1090
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,080
And we fucked up when we bought the massive one.

1091
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,120
But here we are.

1092
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Here we are.

1093
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:15,360
Here we are.

1094
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,440
They're very flexible.

1095
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,360
They're very flexible, easy to shuffle for me cars.

1096
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,240
Because my hands are a little bit bigger.

1097
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:21,800
A little bit.

1098
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Yeah.

1099
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,800
We can watch Caitlyn try.

1100
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,640
But I don't think we should.

1101
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:26,720
I don't think we should.

1102
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,320
OK, so let's go over the differences

1103
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,120
between the two decks real quick.

1104
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Yeah.

1105
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,600
So in the weight Smith Rider deck--

1106
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,760
Look at you, I see.

1107
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,440
Your wheels turning about this.

1108
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,600
And I know-- I respect it.

1109
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,640
I really respect Pamela Coleman-Smith.

1110
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,120
I've listened to multiple episodes

1111
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,720
on different witchy pods about her.

1112
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,280
And I'm just obsessed.

1113
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,720
So I just want to give her--

1114
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,040
I want everyone to know her name.

1115
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,560
I love that.

1116
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,640
That's why I went and wrote out her entire name.

1117
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,640
And then I was like, oh, fuck, what was weight's name?

1118
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,280
What's your guy?

1119
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,640
He's just a riding a spy.

1120
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,440
Yeah, fucking guy.

1121
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,280
But in the Waite-Smith-Rider deck, the major arcana,

1122
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,320
we know, is all of the food, the magician, all of those cards,

1123
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,400
those 20, 21, 20--

1124
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,200
I think it's 21.

1125
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,520
I think it's 20.

1126
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,640
I don't remember.

1127
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,360
20 cards.

1128
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Do you want me to look?

1129
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,880
I think it's 20.

1130
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Let me look.

1131
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,760
OK, let me look.

1132
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,920
22.

1133
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,320
Oh, it is 22.

1134
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,080
22.

1135
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,080
22.

1136
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Taytay.

1137
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,160
OK, so that's what we normally know all of the 22 cards

1138
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:47,800
as in this deck they're called Trump cards.

1139
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,520
OK, and I've heard this before.

1140
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,960
This is a term I'm familiar with.

1141
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,800
I've heard it before.

1142
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,920
I think I associated it with poker or something.

1143
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,320
Right, like regular playing cards.

1144
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Yeah.

1145
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,360
And I don't know if you heard me in my research earlier,

1146
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,400
I was like, ew.

1147
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,400
Yeah.

1148
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:06,920
That's why.

1149
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,080
It's a definite ew.

1150
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,840
That's why.

1151
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,800
Because I was writing you.

1152
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,600
They're called Trump cards.

1153
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Yeah.

1154
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:12,880
Gross.

1155
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,680
That's an age well.

1156
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,240
Here we are.

1157
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:15,960
Yeah.

1158
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,480
Wow.

1159
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,040
I feel like Aleister Crowley would definitely

1160
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,800
wear a Maga hat.

1161
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,280
I don't know.

1162
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,400
I feel like he's a little too dignified.

1163
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,120
Do you think?

1164
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,720
You know, it's a coin toss.

1165
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:30,240
I don't know.

1166
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,240
It's a coin tie.

1167
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,240
It's a Maga vibes, but is it Maga?

1168
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,240
Maga?

1169
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,240
Maga?

1170
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,240
No one cares.

1171
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:37,240
I don't care.

1172
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:38,240
As it turns out, no one cares.

1173
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:39,240
Yeah.

1174
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:49,160
No, I mean, I think as someone who decided in the early 1900s to live out loud as a bisexual

1175
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,160
man.

1176
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,160
I guess that's true.

1177
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:56,800
I do have a little bit of a harder time believing that he would be a Trump bumper, but

1178
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,800
I could be wrong.

1179
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,920
But there's a lot of misogyny in his beliefs and practices in life.

1180
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,920
And that's true.

1181
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,920
That's true.

1182
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,600
Listen, sometimes there's enough hate to go around, unfortunately.

1183
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,600
Yeah.

1184
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,600
So I don't know.

1185
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,600
I guess we can't say.

1186
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:15,600
No.

1187
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,600
He's not alive.

1188
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Not conclusively.

1189
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,600
Yeah.

1190
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:19,600
The results are inconclusive.

1191
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Yes.

1192
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Even though I said definitely, I didn't mean it.

1193
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,600
Definitely allegedly.

1194
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:35,680
I don't know if in this deck they're referred to the minor arcana, the lesser arcana.

1195
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,080
I'm really not sure.

1196
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,400
But in this deck, they're just called the suits.

1197
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,400
Okay.

1198
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,040
And I was going to say suits.

1199
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,040
Yeah.

1200
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,840
But that goes back to a traditional playing deck of cards.

1201
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,840
Yeah.

1202
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:54,440
And I think they're referred to that too in the normal, uh, Waite-Smith-Rider deck

1203
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,440
too.

1204
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,760
They can be called the suits.

1205
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,880
So, but that's what it is in this.

1206
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,080
I don't know if there's another.

1207
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,440
I was assuming there was like another name.

1208
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,120
So the trump cards and the suits, I guess is what they're called.

1209
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,920
We're going to go over some of the trump cards that are different.

1210
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,360
So the first one is would be the magician and the traditional deck.

1211
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:23,080
And in this, I, in this deck, it's called the magus, which means sorcerer.

1212
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,840
And that can also be called the juggler too in this deck, I guess.

1213
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,240
He looks like he's juggling to be fair.

1214
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:32,720
He looks a little shady.

1215
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,200
I'm a little skeptical of his motives to be honest.

1216
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,200
Mr. Sorcerer.

1217
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Sorcerer..

1218
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:44,080
And I think we've had this come up in the tarot interpretation book too.

1219
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,920
So their number eight card is the adjustment card or justice.

1220
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Oh.

1221
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,760
And in the original deck, it's the strength card.

1222
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,280
And the strength, which is also one of my cards.

1223
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,280
That's crazy.

1224
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,280
Yeah.

1225
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,280
Okay.

1226
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:06,400
And not to make everything Leo centric, which is very Leo of a Leo, but that is kind of wild

1227
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,520
though, because it's like those are two hotly debated cards.

1228
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,240
And that's, yes.

1229
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,080
That's one of their, their main.

1230
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:21,120
And they do say that they flip flop, either 11 or eight would be strength and justice.

1231
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:28,080
But in this deck, number 11 is the lust card taking the place of the strength card.

1232
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:36,120
Their strength card is nine of ones, because all of the suits have words associated with

1233
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,120
them too.

1234
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,160
So nine of ones has strength on the bottom of it.

1235
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,160
The lust card.

1236
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,160
The lust card.

1237
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,160
I know.

1238
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,680
And I was like, that is very interesting because they also, they have a lover's card too.

1239
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,520
So it's like, yeah, it's just interesting that they have both.

1240
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:56,960
And then they got, they moved the strength card to nine of ones, which is not a trump card.

1241
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,960
It's a suit.

1242
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,960
Yeah.

1243
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Very interesting.

1244
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,800
They also call their number 12.

1245
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,760
It is either the hanged man or they will call it the dying God, which I thought was interesting.

1246
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,600
I feel like in this deck, it does say the hanged man.

1247
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,600
Okay.

1248
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:17,400
But dying God just sounds like way more ominous, I think, because hanged man isn't like

1249
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,400
a dying man.

1250
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,720
It's like, it's all about a different perspective and like seeing things from a different perspective.

1251
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,880
So there are so many of these cards that are different.

1252
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,120
Holy shit.

1253
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:36,680
Literally, every single one of the suits is different because it has a word associated

1254
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,880
with it on the card, which is so cool.

1255
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,560
Here's the hanged man.

1256
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,760
And they do call it, yeah, they do call it the hanged man.

1257
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,680
And it does have that, it has an Egyptian symbol.

1258
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,600
Is that the, yeah, that's an ankh.

1259
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,600
He's hanging from an ankh, basically.

1260
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,440
I did also find the strength card number nine.

1261
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,680
And I got confused because I was like, I thought it was swords.

1262
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Because they're kind of like, they look like arrows and I was like, what do swords, but

1263
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,360
no, they're ones.

1264
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Wow.

1265
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,360
Yeah.

1266
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,360
Okay.

1267
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,360
The number 14 card, which is normally temperance, is the art card.

1268
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:19,600
The 16 is the tower card and then in this deck, it's sometimes known as the house of God,

1269
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:25,880
which is interesting because it's like the tower card is like burning, crumbling things,

1270
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:26,880
going to shit, basically.

1271
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,480
So it's a very disastrous card.

1272
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:36,040
I feel like by interpretation, I know that we pulled that out earlier as we were sort

1273
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,240
of exploring the deck.

1274
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,920
And ours does say the tower.

1275
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,560
I thought house of God was interesting, though, because it just reminded me of like God will

1276
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,560
smite you.

1277
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,400
Feels, it feels very smitey.

1278
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Yeah, very smitey.

1279
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:51,880
Very smitey.

1280
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:58,640
A 20 is normally judgment, but in this deck is the aeon or angel.

1281
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,800
I think an arse says the aeon.

1282
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,800
Aeon?

1283
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,320
Yeah, I'm not sure.

1284
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,240
On the pronunciation, I don't, I'm not trying to convert.

1285
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,840
So I would say aeon, I don't know, because my dog was Shae.

1286
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:16,840
And her was S H A E. So I'm like, Shay, aion, aion.

1287
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,360
That's exactly where my head goes to as well.

1288
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,360
Okay.

1289
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:28,600
Now, this is really interesting because there's a very clear, this is borrowing, I think, from

1290
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:35,960
potentially multiple cultures, but it feels like this is certainly taking from Hinduism.

1291
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Yes, there was a lot of Indian, it's Indian, right?

1292
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,800
There was a lot of Indian influence as well.

1293
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Typically, I mean, it's other Southeast Asian cultures, I believe as well, but it's primarily

1294
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,200
Indian.

1295
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,440
That's the ethno association.

1296
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Yeah, he did take them.

1297
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,320
It was like mostly Egyptian, some Indian, and then a lot of other cultures as well.

1298
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,520
So there's like a really mixed bag in here.

1299
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,520
That's the aeon?

1300
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,520
Aeon?

1301
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,520
Aeon.

1302
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Yeah.

1303
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:10,240
And I do know, and this is interesting because I don't see this on all of the cards, but

1304
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,200
they do know and didn't necessarily include it in my section, but he wasn't one point trying

1305
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,600
to learn Arabic.

1306
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,600
And I'm not certain, but this is not an easy language to learn.

1307
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:22,920
Not at all.

1308
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:28,480
My ex has been trying to get me to learn it because he was learning it in the military and

1309
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,880
it's a lot.

1310
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,880
No idea.

1311
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,880
It was hard.

1312
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,320
This almost looks like it could be an Arabic character.

1313
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,200
I'm not familiar enough with the language.

1314
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,560
They have every card has a Hebrew symbol on it.

1315
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,920
So it might be a Hebrew symbol?

1316
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,400
Not all of these.

1317
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,280
I read somewhere that a lot like every card has a Hebrew symbol associated with it.

1318
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,760
And that's not uncommon.

1319
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:08,280
And I'm also not fully versed in Hebrew, but the line between what's Arabic versus Hebrew

1320
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:18,800
of course, I think based on what's happening in our world today, I won't overstep.

1321
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,400
I think probably I don't need to explain that that's a very thin line.

1322
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,400
Right.

1323
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,800
I'm not sure.

1324
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:27,800
I'm not sure.

1325
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,680
How could you be?

1326
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Number 21 is normally the world card.

1327
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,080
And this one, this is the one I do like.

1328
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,960
And this they call it the universe.

1329
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,960
Okay.

1330
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,960
I like that.

1331
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,960
I like that.

1332
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,320
I'm going to find that boy.

1333
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Because I mean the universe.

1334
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:45,560
The universe.

1335
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,560
I just love.

1336
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,960
It's a powerful place.

1337
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,960
Yeah.

1338
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Because the world is like, it's just so small.

1339
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,040
The universe is the whole universe, man.

1340
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,520
It does seem like very us-centric.

1341
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,760
Yeah.

1342
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,320
So in this deck, the suits are mostly the same except for pentacles.

1343
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,320
They call discs.

1344
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,320
Yeah.

1345
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,320
Oh my God, that was going to drive me insane.

1346
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,320
Which I don't.

1347
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,320
I guess because he has his own version of a pentacle of pentagram.

1348
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,320
Yeah.

1349
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,320
I don't know.

1350
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,320
I don't know.

1351
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,320
I think it's weird.

1352
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,200
And you leave all of the other ones the same.

1353
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,800
It's just strange to me to leave so much the same but change just like little things.

1354
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:28,800
Yeah.

1355
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,800
Yeah.

1356
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:36,320
I want, okay, I almost wonder if maybe they didn't finish the deck before he had passed.

1357
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,280
And he'd made all these little changes and then like didn't get to finish making the

1358
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,840
changes that he wanted to make and they printed it.

1359
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Did he?

1360
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:44,840
Maybe.

1361
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,800
I mean, I have no one has any way of knowing really unless it's written somewhere and we

1362
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,000
pull it out in research.

1363
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,920
But if you have an Aleister Crowley notebook just like hanging out and you're adding and

1364
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:04,800
your basements and then one last thing in the traditional deck, it's like the night,

1365
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,120
page king, queen and king.

1366
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,840
In this deck, it's night, queen, prince and princess.

1367
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,360
That was very interesting.

1368
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,360
I'm looking.

1369
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,800
There's no king which is like, okay, bye.

1370
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,080
Was the massage and stuff real like is it makes me question.

1371
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,720
Does make you wonder a little bit.

1372
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,320
I think I have to say I feel like in practice it was still there.

1373
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,760
I feel like in practice it was still there.

1374
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,760
Unfortunately.

1375
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,440
It's weird because I was like wait because I originally thought when I saw prints and

1376
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,240
prints that it was replacing the night and the page because the page is kind of like a

1377
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,240
more feminine, younger figure.

1378
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,240
Yeah.

1379
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,240
Yeah.

1380
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,720
But then I was like, no, there's no king.

1381
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,040
There's a night, a queen, a prince and a princess.

1382
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,480
I think it's weird.

1383
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,480
I don't know.

1384
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,080
I guess when we go through the interpretations, maybe it will make sense.

1385
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,160
I was going to say I wouldn't label it as weird.

1386
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,960
I would say it might be peculiar.

1387
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,600
It's peculiar.

1388
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:17,720
I just think there are societies and entire cultures that have operated as matriarchies.

1389
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:18,720
Right.

1390
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,760
I mean, I personally don't need a king.

1391
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:21,760
I'm cool with it.

1392
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:29,000
I just think from what I know, what I think I know, it just didn't quite make sense with

1393
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000
that.

1394
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,600
It's interesting.

1395
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,080
It's really interesting to see the contrast.

1396
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,080
I agree.

1397
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Yeah.

1398
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:42,160
In that respect, and I'm like not to be silly or argumentative, it's like that makes sense

1399
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,840
that you would say that's weird.

1400
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:44,840
Yeah.

1401
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Yeah.

1402
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,640
But you have to argue with me.

1403
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Little bit.

1404
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,640
Just for fun, Z's.

1405
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,480
Well, should we go eat some pizza and then do some tarot?

1406
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,480
Yeah.

1407
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,720
We had a long day of research and recording.

1408
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:04,600
I can't even believe you have to ask. I am so hungry. I was asking more for the audience.

1409
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:14,560
I was narrating for the audience. Okay. Tarot? Tarot? Thoth! Thoth, Thoth, Thoth, Thoth, Thoth, Thoth, Thoth!

1410
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:23,460
Pand? Pan? Ah, Pamm. Two m's.

1411
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:32,340
Did you shuffle this earlier, right? I did. I feel like you needed to do another one or no.

1412
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:39,380
I think I'm good. Okay. I... Here's the thing I can't. That's true.

1413
01:04:39,380 --> 01:04:52,420
Huh! Well? How did you drop them all? Um, interesting. But there happens to be... This is interesting

1414
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:57,860
because there's one up. And I'm going to take a picture of it. Everyone's seeing it. Okay.

1415
01:04:57,860 --> 01:05:03,700
We're going to add this because I feel like that might be the card. Could be because there's one

1416
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:10,980
just up. It's kind of cute actually. Like you said, it's been a 10-hour day. There's just one up.

1417
01:05:10,980 --> 01:05:20,820
Oh, isn't that cool? Yeah. Okay. So it's eight of cups. Indolence? I don't know. Indolence?

1418
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:28,740
Indolence? What kind of word is "indolence"? Um, well, this book will not have it because that is

1419
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:37,620
unique to the... I figured we could look it up in the little book and... Yeah. Maybe Google it if we need

1420
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:42,980
to because I don't know if the interpretations are that long. Okay. Eight of cups.

1421
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:52,820
"Suit of water, Saturn in Pisces, the Lotus's Drup, the cups are shallow and old, and are arranged in

1422
01:05:52,820 --> 01:05:59,460
three rows. The upper row is empty. But it is like, it is still the eight of cups. So we can read the

1423
01:05:59,460 --> 01:06:06,740
other book. It just has that extra little word on it. The power is now spent. The water is turned to

1424
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:13,460
slide. The flowers' droop, the cups are broken. What does this mean? Is that in the reverse, maybe?

1425
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:24,340
This book is confusing. Okay. So not exactly explicit? No. Not at all. I had no idea like what this

1426
01:06:24,340 --> 01:06:31,620
interpretation book was really going to say, but it didn't say a lot. Hmm. Great. That's what we were all

1427
01:06:31,620 --> 01:06:40,900
hoping for. Okay. Well, and it does equate to the eight of cups. It says it's a dark card where the

1428
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:50,340
cups are broken and have small unstable bases. Wow. Okay. The top row of cups are empty. The middle

1429
01:06:50,340 --> 01:07:00,500
cups are filled with water from diseased notices. Wow. The center bottom cup is empty. Okay. What does

1430
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:11,060
this mean? I'm so intrigued. So indolence, the definition equates to laziness, inactivity,

1431
01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:19,620
dislike of work, lethargic and sluggish are all words that describe it. I feel like we're so

1432
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:28,020
opposite of that though. Yeah. That's very interesting. Huh. Do you think this wasn't our card?

1433
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:33,540
I mean, it did just sort of jump out. Yeah. It was very weird how that happened. Like I want more. I

1434
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:39,860
need more. Yeah. I think we are going to have to look for an interpretation book. Well, look at

1435
01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:45,460
the book. Yeah. That's fair. We'll look at we can look at the eight of cups and um because that's

1436
01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:54,740
all we have for now. Yeah. I kind of feel like this might sound crazy. What? I kind of feel like

1437
01:07:54,740 --> 01:08:01,700
we're using this person's deck and we're kind of like slamming him a little bit. I kind of slightly

1438
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:07,860
feel trolled because this is like such the opposite of like we were just saying like how hard we worked

1439
01:08:07,860 --> 01:08:15,940
and we done all of these amazing things and then it's a little bit. I mean, maybe it speaks more to

1440
01:08:15,940 --> 01:08:24,420
somebody else's acumen. Maybe. Maybe that could be picking up on somebody else's. I don't know.

1441
01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:31,060
I guess maybe we needed to focus more energy on like us. Maybe we weren't thinking enough about us.

1442
01:08:31,060 --> 01:08:35,940
This is like his card. Maybe we should draw another one for our card. I feel like this might

1443
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:43,700
I feel like this might be his card because it's um keywords are turning away, cutting losses,

1444
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:52,420
decline, dejection and seriousness. You wish things had turned out differently but you can't

1445
01:08:52,420 --> 01:09:00,340
salvage a matter and you realize you must abandon it. That makes me think of his relationship.

1446
01:09:00,340 --> 01:09:05,620
I mean, I shouldn't show them. But probably a lot of things in this life.

1447
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:12,580
It's time to let go and get out of the situation that has failed despite your best efforts.

1448
01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:20,900
Move ahead with determination. Find a new direction and learn from your experience.

1449
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:29,140
This is Crowley. All over it. Okay. In a reading about money and investment hasn't paid off or

1450
01:09:29,140 --> 01:09:36,340
you've lost money through no fault of your own except perhaps not seeing things accurately.

1451
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:44,820
Cut your losses and conserve your resources. Wow. Like a dwindling inheritance.

1452
01:09:44,820 --> 01:09:51,700
Yeah. If the reading is about your job, the aid of cups may recommend pouring your heart and soul

1453
01:09:51,700 --> 01:10:00,180
into in and depper. Which he did. We also do. Don't let distractions throw you off course.

1454
01:10:00,180 --> 01:10:06,100
Sometimes this card advises leaving a job that no longer interests you.

1455
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:16,500
Oh, that I could. In a reading about love, this card can mean ending a relationship that's

1456
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:23,700
lost its spark. Conversely, it may show you getting serious about a partnership giving it your all.

1457
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:30,500
So he lost one partner but then he got married. Literally the next sentence, you're no longer

1458
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:35,300
interested in casual fling. Oh, wow. Okay. We definitely talked about that.

1459
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:41,620
When you most feel like holding on to something, it is usually the best time to let go.

1460
01:10:41,620 --> 01:10:50,100
That's our extra excerpt from David Cameron Gikandi, a happy pocket full of money.

1461
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:57,620
That sounds good. I want that one. I mean, I'll take her. Okay. Let me grab these cards because

1462
01:10:57,620 --> 01:11:02,420
so I originally was feeling like we should draw to anyway but then I didn't want to make it longer

1463
01:11:02,420 --> 01:11:05,700
but now I feel like we have to. Yeah, you kind of have to.

1464
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:16,740
Truths. Oh, interesting. Truth is the four of swords. Is that? Yes. Okay.

1465
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:25,300
What does it tell us within our interpretation booklet? The four swords in this card are at the

1466
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:34,500
corner of the St. Andrews Cross. Their points are sheathed in a rose of 49 petals. 49 petals.

1467
01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:40,980
This represents the establishment of dogma and convention in the realm of intellect.

1468
01:11:40,980 --> 01:11:49,140
Interesting. We're not just hat rocks. Just hat rocks. I don't know why there's like two separate

1469
01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:56,020
types of interpretations. But this one says the formality of the design of the swords, the cross,

1470
01:11:56,020 --> 01:12:04,740
and the rose denote intellect bound by rigid convention. Rigid. Interesting. The surrounding

1471
01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:10,820
crystals as in all these sword cards contain the hidden names of their guardian angels worked out

1472
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:17,700
in numbers on squared paper. It was thought that the air was formed of crystals according to

1473
01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:27,540
Pythagoras. This is way too esoteric for me. Yeah, it does. It does seem incredibly esoteric.

1474
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:33,140
Yeah, we're going to have to look. I'm just going to keep saying it like a broken record.

1475
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:38,020
We're going to have to look for a better interpretation book. It didn't make me think though of like

1476
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:43,460
we did. It's like us too. And then Chris and Taylyn who also like our big parts and helping with

1477
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:52,260
the podcast. It's like four people. Yeah. The four feels. Yeah, that's true. Okay, interesting. You say

1478
01:12:52,260 --> 01:13:02,980
that. Keywords. Rest. Recuperation. Retreat. Solitude. Interspection and recovery. Forse. Symbolized

1479
01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:09,540
stability. This card represents withdrawing and resting in order to get your bearings after a

1480
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:18,340
time of trouble. Some decks show a night lying down recuperating after an inner or outer battle.

1481
01:13:18,340 --> 01:13:27,060
So when do we get our best and relax and recuperate in April the four months? That's true. We are

1482
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:35,940
doing a little not staycation but like it'll be four of us too. Oh yeah. Interesting. Weird.

1483
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:42,100
Just saying we literally booked that. Yeah, we did. Often this card means you've been through a

1484
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:48,660
period of difficulty and now you feel the need for introspection and solitude. You're examining

1485
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:54,420
what you've experienced trying to understand what it all means so you can plan for your future.

1486
01:13:54,420 --> 01:14:02,020
This is the calm after the storm card. Sometimes it shows you're starting to recover after physical

1487
01:14:02,020 --> 01:14:11,540
illness or injury. Weird. Interreading about money the upright for or discussion and discrimination.

1488
01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:18,900
Maybe you need to separate yourself from a financial issue. This card can also suggest you feel

1489
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:25,220
overwhelmed by financial burdens and need a rest. I mean that's kind of true. Don't we?

1490
01:14:27,060 --> 01:14:33,060
If the reading is about your job you probably feel burned out at work and need a vacation. Yeah.

1491
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:40,580
Things people have said to my face. I feel also like as much as we I like love the podcast. Wouldn't change

1492
01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:51,620
a thing. We made it to 200. Very celebratory. But I am burnt out. I know. I think we literally kind of

1493
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:57,060
got to a point where it's just like in every aspect of life we were like we kind of just need to give

1494
01:14:57,060 --> 01:15:04,580
ourselves a little bit of a respite. Like I said we booked it's booked. It's booked. I mean I'm hoping for

1495
01:15:04,580 --> 01:15:12,420
calming healing vibes. Yeah. But it's like just one day and yeah it's not really gonna

1496
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:19,060
stop any podcast work from going so I feel like it's gonna be like relaxing but not really.

1497
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:27,300
Yeah. Yeah. We're still gonna record and then we'll go and check it. Yeah. For our relaxing.

1498
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:34,580
Like we'll still be working. Yeah. It's true. It's true. After a period of stress, confusion or

1499
01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:41,380
difficulty or maybe all three you may be sorting things out clearing your head and regaining your

1500
01:15:41,380 --> 01:15:48,740
strength. In a reading about love the upright for can mean carving out some time for yourself.

1501
01:15:48,740 --> 01:15:56,100
I feel like we definitely need to do that. Yeah. Challenges in a relationship may have left you

1502
01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:02,260
feeling drained or discouraged. Look within to discover your true needs and how you need to

1503
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:07,620
restore balance or how you can restore balance. Wow. Okay. That was a brilliant flip.

1504
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:18,100
In introduction to tarot, Susan Levitt writes, unfortunately the mind is too often filled with worry

1505
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:24,980
doubt and fear or the mind absorbs information that has little to do with the souls in her workings.

1506
01:16:24,980 --> 01:16:32,580
To counteract this she recommends meditation yoga deep breathing chanting prayer long walks

1507
01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:46,340
and bats. Bats. Bats. Soaking. We're gonna do that. That's bad. This reminded me of the beginning where

1508
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:54,580
I was saying 200 represented like endurance and then it also said trust and

1509
01:16:54,580 --> 01:17:02,260
hang in there basically. You've worked really hard. Hang in there. Things are coming but maybe also

1510
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:09,620
take some time for yourself and don't totally burn out on it. Yeah. It's hard to know when you're

1511
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:16,500
striking the right balance. I know especially because you want like we want this to work so bad. Yeah.

1512
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:23,140
Well, I think we're done. I think that's that. You know what's interesting too? We got an eight and a

1513
01:17:23,140 --> 01:17:33,380
four and you know what eight divided by four is two. And all connects. Is that a pop quiz? Your

1514
01:17:33,380 --> 01:17:39,620
bench. I was actually saying it. I was like wait, am I right? Let's easy math. I'm okay. I'm pretty confident.

1515
01:17:39,620 --> 01:17:49,060
I feel like I'm pretty tired but I think that's two. I mean two. We talk about two. We talk about

1516
01:17:49,060 --> 01:17:57,140
200. I mean, it connects. You know, maybe. Maybe. Well, we're getting delusional. Let's get on here.

1517
01:17:57,140 --> 01:18:05,940
This is a great up 200 partner. We have learned so much today. And we actually actually we had so

1518
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:13,540
much fun and we're fully delirious and exhausted and it's time for us to go but it's been a good one.

1519
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:21,220
We should have more research pizza, cinnamon roll, cinnamon, what's it called cinnamon wheel?

1520
01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:26,820
It was a cinnamon wheel and Always Sunny. We should have those days all the time. Oh boy.

1521
01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:37,620
And why? Hello. And brunch. We had mimosas this morning. We did. We did. We really had a full day.

1522
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:47,540
I had my three square meals with this gal. As long as we count the cinnamon bread, my third meal.

1523
01:18:47,540 --> 01:18:55,460
100%. I got 200%. Yeah. Yeah. Should we do the thing that we do? Yeah, we should probably do the thing.

1524
01:18:55,460 --> 01:19:04,980
200th time. Oh my God. Have a creepy ass day. We will see you next Tuesday. We're not going anywhere.

1525
01:19:04,980 --> 01:19:10,900
Seriously, we don't even know what to do with ourselves. So I can't even imagine the life without

1526
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:16,820
doing this. So what would I do? Who could say? Thanks for listening for 200 episodes.

1527
01:19:16,820 --> 01:19:23,620
We're going to go before we start crying. She's got no tears. It's not true. I just rewetted my eyes.

1528
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:34,660
Onion! Onion! I'm not Dennis! Oh, that's perfect.

1529
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:44,660
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