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Anthony explored a variety of ideas for his escape, but eventually all of his brainstorming
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led to a pretty wild idea.
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One just wild enough to work maybe.
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I was like, "God damn!
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This man is determined, and you know what?
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He's really determined that his escape should involve a Jet Ski, which I mean, I get it.
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They're cool!"
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He's like, "God damn it, I had a dream!"
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And it will not be crushed.
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I must have the Jet Ski.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello!
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Hello!
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
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the paranormal, my wedding shoes, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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All of those are very true.
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You know what else is true?
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What?
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We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode.
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That is true.
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We just want a little deeper insight into whatever we're talking about.
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It's fun.
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We like it.
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Yeah.
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And we do have some business.
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We just discovered.
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Didn't we?
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We found it.
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We decided.
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Yeah, I think we have a little bit of business.
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Okay, so the business is that if you'd like to come see us at True Crime Fest Northwest,
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then you can use our code HAUNTS10, and you'll get 10% off your ticket.
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Okay, so should we get into the episode?
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Do we say anything else about it?
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Like, you definitely want to come see us because we'll have like the wheel spinning.
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Oh, probably.
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It'll have many tarot readings.
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We'll be there.
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You can get a picture with us.
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We'll autograph something for you because we're so famous, you guys.
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She's really having fun with that.
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Okay, I just think it's cute because like we've actually had people like that wanted our autograph in a picture.
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I thought it was really sweet.
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Yeah.
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If you do want that, that would, you can have it.
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And then we'll melt and simply float away.
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And we'll probably talk to you too long and you'll never be able to get away from us.
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Yeah.
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And you'll be like, wow, you're not that famous.
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I'm just like meeting our creepy people.
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I love it.
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So yeah, we'll have that one of stickers.
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We usually have free stickers floating about.
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It's so many goodies.
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Good time, good time.
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It's always a good time.
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No, no, do we have balloons this time?
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What are we doing?
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Doing it up?
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I haven't decided what the table is going to look like exactly.
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But yeah.
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Maybe I don't know.
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Balloons at a true crime first.
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Do people do that?
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I don't know.
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We did it once before.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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I've got a couple of ideas and we've done a couple of setups now for conventions.
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So we have some goodies already hanging out in storage bins.
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And I don't know.
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We fun with that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And for sure, we've got a black table cloth.
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That we do.
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We actually have quite a few of them.
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And a runner with our artwork on it.
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Yeah.
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Those will be present and accounted for.
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Yeah.
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And the wheel.
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Always the wheel unless someone lost it.
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I know right where it is actually.
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On the left side.
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On the left side.
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Right side.
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Right side.
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Because L.
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And this is L.
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She looks like she's trying to land a plane.
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Which is my right.
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I could land a plane because I would land them incorrectly.
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Because I don't know my left for my right.
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Honestly, it kind of seems like it's pretty Loosey Goosey on the airlines these days.
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Is it?
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I don't know.
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It seems like it should be real strict.
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Yeah.
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No, it seems like it should be sometimes the doors that you didn't know were doors.
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Just fly off the plane.
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Oh.
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Is this a relating trip episode today?
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Not today.
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Oh.
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I trust me, you guys.
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I've been tracking all of the stuff that's going on with Boeing.
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And I just, I haven't felt ready to go there yet.
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But there's probably going to be a part two of that.
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Because, you know, here's the thing.
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If they stop giving so much material, then like maybe, maybe, maybe there won't be.
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But yeah, there's already enough.
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Oh, there's already enough.
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I don't like it.
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I don't like any of that.
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I love to travel and it makes me never want to get on a plane.
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I'm just going to buy a bus and it's going to be my life.
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Yeah, it makes me a little bit nervous.
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So I'm thinking about doing some international travel for 2025 and holy shit.
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Don't go over any oceans.
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That's like all of the places.
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I know.
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You'll be fine.
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Fuck it, you fuck.
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Everyone's fine.
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We're all fine.
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Okay.
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Well, I'm going to, I'm going to get into the episode down.
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Okay.
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I'm ready.
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I solemnly swear.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I just thought it was really funny because you were asking me, if you could use initials to
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name the audio file.
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Yeah.
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You're being real secretive with me.
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And I was like, initials would probably be like the worst thing.
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It would be like a super giveaway.
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Are you doing DB Cooper?
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I'm going to kill you.
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I thought you wanted me to do DB Cooper.
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I wanted to do it.
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You want to do it?
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Yeah.
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Are you doing it?
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I'm down with that.
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There's something that's happening with DB today.
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And what?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, how did you get that confused?
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I told you I want, because you said you didn't want to cover it.
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And I said, okay, I'll cover it.
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And I was like, I'll start researching.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I guess you'll just have to see because he might be involved.
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Interesting.
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I'm excited.
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Let's go.
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All right.
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Anthony Curcio was born September 1st, 1980 in Monroe, Washington to a relatively middle-class
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family.
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His parents owned a successful landscaping company in the area.
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And Monroe has a relatively small population of about 20,000.
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In terms of economics, the bedroom community has been largely reliant on various aspects
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of the agricultural industry.
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So dairy, logging, those lumberjacks.
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I know what they do to you, but it's also struggled at times in a more modern era.
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It's historically been an extremely close-knit community, according to locals.
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And as a teenager, Anthony, he was the captain of his football team and the basketball team.
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Whoa, calm down.
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Yeah.
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Take several seats.
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Superstar.
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And then he's like, "I'm going to have lunch."
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Wow, that's cool though.
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Yeah.
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But that wasn't the only dream team that he was a part of.
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He was also dating one of the most popular girls in school, a beautiful cheerleader named
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Emily.
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Of course he was.
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He's the captain of two teams.
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Like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's got a cheerleader girlfriend.
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Yeah.
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It's like a law.
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I think so.
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I haven't seen it codified yet.
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But the high school sweethearts would go on to marry after college before having two
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daughters.
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Oh.
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I know.
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Joke you.
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Show how awesome.
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Before they started their family, Anthony followed in his father's footsteps, attending
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the University of Idaho on a football scholarship.
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Wow.
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Oh.
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His freshman year, he unfortunately found himself suspended from the football team because
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of his hard partying ways.
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Uh, uh.
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Apparently you can drink too much even for the football team.
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Man.
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That's like hard to do.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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His sophomore year, however, things were looking up.
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It seems like his efforts to stay on the straight and narrow had him back on the right path, moving
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forward as a new coach took over the team.
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That was until he tore his ACL at practice.
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Uh-oh.
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I feel like I can hear that.
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I don't want to think about it.
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And I hate it.
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Oh, thanks.
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It was an incredibly painful injury that sideline him in more ways than one.
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Not only could he no longer play football due to the injury, but the medication prescribed
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to him as he attempted to recover, sent him on a dark downward spiral.
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Uh, that's never good.
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No.
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Unfortunately, pain relief quickly morphed into serious substance use disorder.
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His addiction led to doctor shopping and when necessary, turning to drug dealers for street
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drugs when prescription drugs were no longer available to him.
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Damn.
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Yeah.
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Anthony's addiction became a very expensive habit.
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Like buying designer shoes, oh my god, it all comes back to the wedding shoes.
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I didn't even know.
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Oh my god.
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I couldn't have known.
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I could have known.
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I was just always thinking about shoes.
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I'm just always thinking about shoes, apparently.
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But you only get to use drugs the one time.
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I mean, shoes are forever.
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I hope so.
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This has been your girl, math segment for today.
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You're actually saving money if you buy designer shoes instead of drugs.
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Oh my god.
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My next line.
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You're welcome.
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I just saved you tens of thousands.
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No one can send you to rehab for having a hook to Jimmy Chu or Bashley Mischka
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Actually, I think they do have like shopping like retail.
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I have therapy.
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No, no, no.
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No retail therapy is the thing you're not supposed to do.
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Shit.
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So when I was writing this, this next sentence, I went shopping yesterday and may have consumed
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slightly more shoe porn than is typically considered healthy.
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But I digress.
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It was dirt.
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Back to Anthony to support his overwhelming addiction.
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He was known to sometimes dress up like a mover and would make off with other people's
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stuff on campus to sell on eBay.
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Yikes.
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Yeah.
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That's creepy too.
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I know, isn't it?
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This rose did not require particularly fashionable footwear, however.
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No, I can't imagine.
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But this approach was somewhat time consuming.
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He was able over time to come up with another money-making scheme.
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Actually, multiple.
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Later he would go on to create and sell high-value counterfeit baseball cards.
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This man and his sports name.
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He could make thousands more this way in a fraction of the time.
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Which is ridiculous because are you going to make them say it?
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You can't even wear baseball cards.
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You could if you tried really hard.
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You could have to be a little artistic.
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I thought about that comeback coming from you as a ruthless.
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Anything is possible, Caitlyn.
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Yeah, if you can wear meat dress, exactly Lady Gaga's next big crazy outfit should just be
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made from baseball cards.
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I'm just saying I'm uncomfortable with announcing my measurements or sizes already.
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If I had to be measured as a human being in terms of number of baseball cards, I think I
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would die.
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Just absolutely pass away.
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Oh my gosh.
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I can see this is one of the challenges too on one of those shows.
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Like RuPaul's and the Project Runway.
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Make a dress at a baseball card.
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Those would be fabulous, I'm sure.
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So fabulous.
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It seemed like whenever he started to attract too much attention, he would just find a new
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way to make money.
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While Anthony worked furiously to manage his habit and the perceptions of those around him,
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he couldn't fool everyone.
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As his addiction progressed, those closest to him understood that he had a serious problem.
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They supported him in his struggle with addiction while he did multiple stints and rehab.
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By 2008, it seemed like things were going really well for Anthony and his family.
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They owned a beautiful home in Seattle and a real estate investment company.
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Oh, that's going to make some money.
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Yeah, it would definitely make some money.
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I don't know if you happen to notice the year.
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Don't worry.
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2008.
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Is that what you said?
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Okay.
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At the time, he also happened to be balancing a habit of both vikin and various other illicit
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drugs to the tune of $15,000 a month.
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Oh my God.
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That should be expensive.
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Oh my God.
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Think of all the shoes he could have bought.
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Or anything.
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Pretty rocks.
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You know what, tarot cards.
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He'd simply put Ms. Bradshaw to shame.
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Just getting me loving Gary.
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She's never shamed.
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No.
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But it was 2008.
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And in case you don't recall or you maybe locked it out for emotional and psychological
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reasons, there was a financial crisis brewing, particularly within the housing market.
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It turns out that was a pretty tough time to be in the real estate business.
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Yeah.
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Like the toughest since I don't probably the Great Depression.
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Yeah.
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That old thing.
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That old thing.
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That old thing I kept talking about in the last couple of exactly when she did her thing.
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When she did her thing.
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When the real estate market crashed, it put his dire financial situation into perspective.
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It might not happen.
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Well, sort of.
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In later statements, he would indicate that at the time he was angry that the big banks
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were getting bailouts and he was being hung out to dry.
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Which I mean, he did not stand alone.
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Yeah.
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No, not Island.
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However, I mean, you know.
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He didn't blame himself for a series of choices that had negatively impacted his family's
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financial situation.
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You know, some personal responsibility as well.
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Yeah.
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No, it's always someone else or something else.
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Which to be fair, with this next sentiment, he wasn't entirely wrong, but I think you can
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see where he might have gotten carried away.
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Anthony said it was corporate greed that had crashed the market, tanked his business and
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placed him in this precarious financial position.
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He's not totally wrong, but I'm just saying, you know, if you're spending $15,000 a month
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that you probably don't actually have and you're in the business of turning over, you know,
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these starter homes or homes that you're renovating.
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If you put that energy and effort into that, that is probably what have been fine, even through
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the hard chip.
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It's hard to say.
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Like, yeah, I don't know.
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I don't even know what to really call it, but the crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, the
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crisis, but I just think, you know, probably their business was going to suffer and probably
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his family's financial situation was going to suffer, but I think it just says a lot about
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his mentality at that point that, you know, everybody was blaming the big banks as they
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should, but also, you know, two things can be true.
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Anthony, never one to give up in the face of obvious defeat, came up with a new way to make
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money.
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Of course.
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And also exact a small bit of revenge on the big banking industry.
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He decided that rather than rob a bank, he'd instead target the armored vehicle delivering
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money to bank.
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He learned absolutely everything that he could about the Brink's trucks making deliveries.
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There are routes, the layouts of the interior of said vehicle.
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Damn.
371
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What if any vulnerabilities the vehicles had?
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He surveilled Brink's vehicles extensively.
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In some cases going so far is to play dress up again.
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Like a landscaper this time.
375
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Get an attempt to get closer, a closer look while still blending it.
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Huh.
377
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Wow.
378
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Sneaky.
379
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Sneaky.
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He's playing real hard.
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Hard ball.
382
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Honestly, how someone doesn't end up on a government watch list at this point still baffles
383
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me, but here we are.
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And I probably am a government watch list.
385
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You know, Google searches.
386
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Fine.
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Now one thing Anthony carefully considered that many others often neglect to give careful
388
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thought.
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He realized he needed a solid getaway plan.
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The bank he chosen was located in the downtown area of Monroe near highway 2, but it didn't
391
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actually have any direct access to a major freeway, which is what you want.
392
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Yeah.
393
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If you look at contemporary robberies of financial institutions, you'll quickly realize
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we've come a long way since the days of Bonnie and Clyde.
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Typically, the perpetrators want to act quickly.
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And in some cases, arguably most, depending on the source of your data perhose, may even
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be unarmed.
398
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Most robberies actually occur.
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They're perpetrated by unarmed assailants.
400
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Yeah.
401
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Because you don't really need it.
402
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The fear is like that you might have one is probably in a well.
403
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And then the charges start to get stacked when you have a weapon.
404
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Is it?
405
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Is it?
406
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Sorry.
407
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Let me frame.
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Don't stutter.
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Do they give you more time or whatever if you pretend like you have a gun?
410
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They can.
411
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In some instances.
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I know I've looked at cases where even if it was a fake weapon, they can still find a way
413
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to stack charges.
414
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,600
I feel like that's fair.
415
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,600
Because yeah.
416
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Because that person is terrorized as if you had a weapon.
417
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Yeah.
418
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What Anthony planned to do was not altogether unheard of.
419
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But just to put this in perspective, here's some data from the FBI for 2022.
420
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Over 1500 bank crimes were committed at the Teller counter in 2022.
421
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,640
There is none were reported for armored vehicles.
422
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So I think a little bit of research that I did about the statistics led me to believe this
423
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is exactly as bulky as it sounds.
424
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Wow.
425
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:26,520
Remarkably, over a thousand of the aforementioned crimes used a demand note.
426
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It only roughly 200 some involved the use of a weapon in some form or fashion according
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to my rating.
428
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:41,840
So in recent history, it's almost unheard of.
429
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Wow.
430
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Which I think is a good thing.
431
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Yeah, it's a good thing.
432
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Yeah.
433
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Not complaining.
434
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Exactly.
435
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,600
I have a personal story to share at the end of the case if we have time.
436
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,600
Oh.
437
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Guys, it'll just be a little shorty bonus for the Patreon.
438
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Anthony explored a variety of ideas for his escape, but eventually all of his brainstorming
439
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led to a pretty wild idea.
440
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,840
One just wild enough to work maybe.
441
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Woods Creek, which feeds into Snohomish River, was close by.
442
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So he thought, what about escaping on a jet ski?
443
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That sounds like a movie.
444
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,200
And I'm going to have to come back to this because I haven't told you yet.
445
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I'm bearing the lead.
446
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I haven't told you why.
447
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,360
I didn't want to tell you the name of this.
448
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I have to put this down at the bottom of my notes real quick because he has a namesake.
449
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And so you'll see.
450
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Okay.
451
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:56,920
Damn it.
452
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Okay.
453
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Unfortunately, he quickly learned that the creek was too shallow in places.
454
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For a jet ski?
455
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,320
Wow.
456
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,320
Okay.
457
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,320
Yeah.
458
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,320
It's like a creek.
459
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Yeah.
460
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Kind of.
461
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Rather than abandon that idea entirely, he would spend weeks trying to dig out a path
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of greater depth to allow a jet ski to navigate the small body of water.
463
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I was like, God damn.
464
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This man is determined.
465
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And you know what?
466
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He's really determined that his escape should involve a jet ski, which I mean, I get it.
467
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They're cool.
468
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,120
He's like, God damn it.
469
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I had a dream.
470
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And it will not be crushed.
471
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,520
Yeah.
472
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560
I must have the jet ski.
473
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,160
Well, spoiler alert, he's not going to get the jet ski.
474
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,160
Oh, God.
475
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,160
Well, hold on.
476
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Before we move on, I do have to say, since we are on a podcast and I am on a video, the entire
477
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time she was telling me about digging up of the creek or the creek or whatever the fuck.
478
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I was just staring blankly and blinking into camera because I don't have anything to
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say.
480
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Like, how does one respond to?
481
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,280
It's that.
482
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I would certainly like if the Sandlot crew had decided to rob the thing.
483
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She's not wrong.
484
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He did eventually abandon this strategy.
485
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But as was the case for Anthony at every point in his life prior, it didn't take long for him
486
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to come up with another plan.
487
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A yacht.
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00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,040
Well, a jet ski ain't making it through.
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You know what, yacht.
490
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,920
It's not going to happen.
491
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You never know.
492
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He started brainstorming how he might be able to use another slightly more subtle type
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of watercraft instead.
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Perhaps an inner tube.
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I was going to guess like a raft or something.
496
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Okay.
497
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,720
Yeah.
498
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,720
Raft or tube.
499
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,720
Right.
500
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,320
If you're floating down the clack, those terms are interchangeable.
501
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:20,920
But for anyone that's gone floating before, you know, it's not the quickest mode of quote,
502
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,680
unquote, transportation.
503
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,680
It's not.
504
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,680
You're just floating.
505
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,680
Exactly.
506
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Lazy river.
507
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,680
Yes.
508
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So he created a cable system along the creek bed.
509
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Like along.
510
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,720
Okay.
511
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,720
I can't.
512
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:48,880
But he created a cable system along the creek to allow for propelling the small waterborne
513
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craft in some of the slower moving stretches of the water.
514
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,000
Okay.
515
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,200
It's not any crazier than trying to dig the creek deeper.
516
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Just let's get a system of police.
517
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,920
Yeah.
518
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,920
Yep.
519
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,920
Yep.
520
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,120
This is the Sandlock grill.
521
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:11,120
Yeah.
522
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:17,120
It's just a one dumb man instead of like 15 children.
523
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,160
I mean, I've never met Anthony.
524
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:26,520
So I can't tell you for certain that he's not actually three children stacked up in a
525
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children.
526
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:34,760
And obviously he's like kind of he is like kind of smart and artistic, but like me put that
527
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,760
into something else.
528
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,760
Yeah.
529
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,480
The creativity, the intelligence, the problem solving.
530
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,560
They have so much potential in these criminals and they just they blow their big shot.
531
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Yeah.
532
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,520
One shot.
533
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,520
One opportunity.
534
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,520
Too far.
535
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Anyway, we should move on.
536
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:06,520
He created a tear-away landscaper disguise so that he could initially blend in with others
537
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,520
that would be outside of the bank at the time.
538
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,600
And then also immediately change up his appearance in order to thwart detection as he escaped
539
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,120
the area where he committed the crime.
540
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,120
So that's actually pretty fucking brilliant.
541
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,480
It's kind of a tear-away costume.
542
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,480
Yeah.
543
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:29,760
So all the people that were there witnessing the robbery are going to remember a very specific
544
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,960
description.
545
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,960
And as soon as he gets far enough away, he's going to immediately change up his physical appearance.
546
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,960
It's very smart.
547
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,960
Like that's brilliant.
548
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,120
It's very dramatic.
549
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,120
It is.
550
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,720
It's just such a movie plot.
551
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,240
It's very Ocean's 11.
552
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,240
Yeah.
553
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,720
It's the same lot me Ocean's 11.
554
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,440
That's great.
555
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,440
Literally.
556
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,440
It really is.
557
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,440
Oh my god.
558
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Yeah.
559
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,440
Okay.
560
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,440
Cool.
561
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,440
I like it.
562
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:05,840
In the lead up to the highest he placed an ad on Craigslist dating back to September 27,
563
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:17,280
2008 for land scapers or day laborers promising an hourly rate of 2850 for a temporary job placement
564
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,480
intended to last roughly a week.
565
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:30,520
The fictitious project was referred to as the beautification of Monroe project.
566
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Respondents were told to wear a blue shirt and hat, neon safety vest and glasses as well
567
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960
as a painter's mask.
568
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,480
Half were instructed to report to the park across the street from the bank, Eagle Park.
569
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,400
The remainder of the respondents were told to meet in a grocery store parking lot next
570
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,400
to the bank.
571
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Okay.
572
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:59,360
They were told that they should wait at each of their respective sites until they were
573
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,600
greeted by a project manager that would provide further instructions.
574
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Yeah.
575
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,840
I bet they showed up.
576
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,880
Sure did.
577
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:15,120
In all, he'd arranged for over a dozen decoys to be in the area where the robbery was to take
578
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,120
place.
579
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Oh my god.
580
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,720
I was like talking about Eminem and then now there's all these slimshadeys around.
581
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Well, the real slimshadeys play stand up.
582
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Will the real slimshadeys stand up?
583
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,560
I got rolls the lead there.
584
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,560
I don't want these here.
585
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,560
Oh.
586
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,560
What?
587
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,560
What?
588
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Why do we both do that?
589
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Oh boy.
590
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,600
You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you.
591
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties.
592
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000
Hello twisted humans.
593
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the latest murder, conspiracy, cults, or
594
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,880
haunting?
595
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Then this is the podcast for you.
596
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We're bringing the most intense stories that'll keep you up at night.
597
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,640
He was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter and philonia's assault.
598
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:20,920
He was only sentenced to five months of probation and this would be the last time that anyone
599
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,440
ever saw fear.
600
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,040
There are allegedly two women who also drowned in the first month's pool.
601
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,320
What's this the same glowing green they'd seen in the darkness the night before?
602
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:38,440
He had refused to sit near the wagon cloth because of stains on it, which were most likely
603
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,440
blood.
604
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:51,400
We'll see you next time.
605
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,880
Check the mouth creepy people.
606
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,880
You can find their info in our show notes.
607
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:05,440
On September 30th, 2008, just after 11am, Anthony was waiting just outside the bank branch,
608
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,880
posing as a landscaper.
609
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:16,120
He sat down his weed sprayer and revealed a can of pepper spray.
610
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:23,560
He sprayed the armed brink guard directly in the face as he was attempting to take the money
611
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,720
from the vehicle into the bank.
612
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,720
Cheese.
613
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,720
Yeah.
614
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,560
They, in some descriptions, they called it bear mace, which makes it sound worse.
615
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,560
Oh, it is worse.
616
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,560
It's bear mace.
617
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,680
I was like, I don't know what the difference is.
618
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Some sources called it pepper spray.
619
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160
The sources called it OC gel.
620
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Some of them called it bear mace.
621
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,040
It was like all of it sounds terrible.
622
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Bear mace is just like a roll big can.
623
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,360
It was real strong for bear mace.
624
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,360
It was huge.
625
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,120
I think it was actually bear mace.
626
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,760
In any bears are coming up in every episode.
627
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Every episode.
628
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,760
Are we new girl?
629
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,800
There's like a bear in every.
630
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,880
I just keep thinking about the time earlier this week when I had to chop a whole red onion.
631
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
And I was like, I couldn't do it.
632
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,560
I literally couldn't do it.
633
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,640
If you bear mace me, just bury me now.
634
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,600
You're supposed to stick out your tongue while you chop onions.
635
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Because they're the...
636
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,880
I just turned on the hood.
637
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,000
The molecules want to find moisture.
638
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,120
So if your tongue is out, they'll attach it up first and then not into eyeballs.
639
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,240
Well I cut it in half and like kind of walked away.
640
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520
It's like a few steps.
641
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,920
And I turned on my overhead van in the kitchen.
642
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,720
And then after that, I had like no problems.
643
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Or I wonder if you could even like put like a wet towel next to them?
644
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,760
I don't know.
645
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,760
That's a good idea.
646
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,760
It's just a spear mouth.
647
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,560
I might have had a wet towel on the counter come to think of it.
648
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Actually.
649
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,560
You should do that next time.
650
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,560
Okay.
651
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Just get wet.
652
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Just have a wet shirt.
653
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,080
Just have a wet shirt contest for one while I try.
654
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,080
And then chop your onions.
655
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Do the dishes first and then chop your onions.
656
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,840
Because you know you will have a wet shirt.
657
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,840
Yeah.
658
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,920
Life hacks with Cassie and Caitlyn.
659
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920
You're welcome.
660
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,600
Oh my gosh.
661
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,520
This only fans thing just keeps getting more and more real.
662
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,320
Yeah, the secrets aren't going to be free forever.
663
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,320
Okay.
664
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,800
That's right.
665
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,800
He grabbed the two bags of money taking off in the direction of the aforementioned aquatic
666
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:42,840
getaway that he had planned so carefully shutting his disguise as he did so.
667
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,120
So this is just a man running to enormous bags of money towards a crack.
668
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Terran, this is just running to his inner tube.
669
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,880
Just I'm seeing it all right.
670
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,000
People are just really stunning.
671
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,320
Even if this was a movie, I would still be laughing because it's all dramatic in action.
672
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:11,160
And he's going to this inner tube that's like going to maybe a little quicker from the
673
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,160
police.
674
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Yeah.
675
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,160
Oh my God.
676
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,880
As he ran away, he was nearly hit by an oncoming vehicle causing him to abandon one of the
677
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:27,960
bags knowing that slowing down for even the briefest time, he'd lead to his capture.
678
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,000
He lost a whole bag of money already.
679
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Sure did.
680
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,720
Yeah, he dropped one in the encounter with another vehicle.
681
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,720
Yeah.
682
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:38,720
I'm okay.
683
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:44,680
In the movie, the car does hit him and he like does a thing, but then like the money flies
684
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,680
all over the place and then he gets up and continues.
685
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,360
We really should be screenwriters and I think we kind of are.
686
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,600
I guess so.
687
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Though he'd lost out on roughly half of the overall take, Anthony was still left with
688
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,600
roughly $400,000.
689
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,800
It's a decent amount.
690
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,800
So pretty good amount of money.
691
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,440
I hope he brought a dry bag for the inner tube just saying.
692
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,440
You know, I don't know.
693
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,560
It wasn't brought up specifically, but it's good.
694
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,280
That's good thinking.
695
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,280
He's really hit or miss.
696
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,880
Real hit or miss.
697
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Mitch Ruth, a local real estate broker, placed a call to 911 after witnessing the robbery
698
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,800
in real time.
699
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Mitch had decided in an instant to chase after the quickly escaping robber.
700
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,640
He was armed at the time, but never attempted to fire on the man.
701
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Anthony got so fucking lucky.
702
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,280
Wow.
703
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,160
When asked why he chased after the man, Mitch said, "What do you say?
704
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,840
I'm in real estate.
705
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Times have been tough.
706
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,680
If a guy's got a bag of money like that, he's not getting away without buying a home.
707
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,680
What do you say?
708
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,680
You know?"
709
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,720
"Did he follow him long enough to catch the bag of money that he dropped?"
710
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,000
"You know, I don't think so."
711
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,760
I just thought it was really interesting because he talked about how this guy's running away
712
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,200
and like, "Yes, you know, he bare mace this person which that's awful."
713
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,760
But he was like, "I am not the type of person."
714
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,760
Like, here's my business card.
715
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,320
Well, more so though, the thing that he really talked about at length in, I listened to
716
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,000
a full documentary series.
717
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,360
It's an audio, it's a podcast.
718
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:48,360
It's an audio documentary series where they interviewed him at length and he talked about
719
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,440
how he's like, "I'm not shooting a man in the back."
720
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,280
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."
721
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,080
"He's not a murderer.
722
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,600
I'm not shooting a man in the back as he's running for money."
723
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,600
"Yeah."
724
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,600
"No, that makes total sense."
725
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,600
"Yeah."
726
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,600
And I just thought, "Wow, okay, cool.
727
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:11,240
It's good to know that that's the type of person that lives in Monroe because, holy
728
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:15,320
shit, there's a lot of places you could go, I think, in this country and just be shot in
729
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,360
the back for real."
730
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,720
"Why are you defending the big bank's money?"
731
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:21,720
"Yeah."
732
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,720
"I guess, okay, boys, go."
733
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,200
I don't know.
734
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,200
I thought you were meaning to...
735
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,200
They wouldn't defend you.
736
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,200
No.
737
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Obviously.
738
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,200
How's it?
739
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:37,200
I thought you were saying like why he chased after him.
740
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,840
Oh, he wanted the money.
741
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,960
He wanted to actually sell my house.
742
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Yeah, to sell my house.
743
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,920
I think he just said that to be funny.
744
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,600
I thought that was a pretty...
745
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,600
That is funny.
746
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,800
Yeah, I thought that was a great joke.
747
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,320
Like, there's literally not a more appropriate joke for somebody in his profession to make.
748
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,240
So I liked it.
749
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,080
He witnessed him shutting his disguise as he fled.
750
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:10,280
When the police arrived on the scene, they reacted pretty much exactly as Anthony had hoped,
751
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,480
truthfully in a fairly predictable way.
752
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:21,120
And I just picture like a sequence from the three stoos now for about a minute.
753
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,120
With all the like...
754
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Join me in that visual, won't you?
755
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,080
Decoise running around and they're like, "Woo!
756
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Woo!
757
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,840
They begin interviewing the dozen or so people matching the description of the assailant,
758
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Anthony himself had hired through Craigslist."
759
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920
That is like that's so smart.
760
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,560
I know.
761
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,760
So he had hired them through Craigslist to act as unwitting decoise.
762
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,760
It's fucking brilliant.
763
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,440
He basically didn't even have to pay them, right?
764
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,440
No.
765
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Because they were going to get paid at the end of the day.
766
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,680
But still, it's like you get free help in these people.
767
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,080
Don't even know they're assisting in a crime.
768
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Nope.
769
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:09,000
The longer they were held up with these interviews, the further Anthony was able to run.
770
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,120
Shall we say, "Propel, who's a flute?"
771
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,600
Making pretty much a clean getaway.
772
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,600
Wow.
773
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,600
You know what?
774
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,640
I had this thought and I want to say it before I forget.
775
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,800
It would have been even cleaner if he had just thought about one more thing if he had like
776
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,320
a smoke bomb and then ripped up.
777
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,320
Woo!
778
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
That's really what he need.
779
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,980
Honestly, it just goes back to the smoke machine that we keep saying that we need for in this
780
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:36,980
room.
781
00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:42,760
If it weren't the thing that would absolutely make this room toxic and kill us.
782
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,840
Someone tell us how to get a smokey creepy room without dying.
783
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,840
Dying.
784
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,840
Yeah.
785
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,840
Please.
786
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,840
Yeah.
787
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Because I would do anything for this pod.
788
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,840
Dry eyes?
789
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,840
Can you have being in a room with dry eyes?
790
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,840
Yeah.
791
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,320
Because they put it in drinks even.
792
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,320
Right?
793
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,320
Yeah, dry eyes.
794
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,320
Let's do that.
795
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
It's going to be a real expensive.
796
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,040
The production quality of this show is excellent.
797
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,480
Is dry eyes expensive?
798
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,760
I have no idea, but if we have to buy it enough, you only need a little bit.
799
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,880
I know, but for every week we'll record.
800
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,600
Cassie, I'm telling you, it can be for like special occasions.
801
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,600
I'll go.
802
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,480
Yeah, maybe we'll play around with that.
803
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,480
Anywho.
804
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,200
Oh wait, I'm going to start off boring.
805
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,200
This is so sad.
806
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Okay.
807
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,000
I'm going to finish this paragraph and then go get more wine.
808
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Yeah, how sad for you?
809
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Okay.
810
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Okay.
811
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Tim Basel was the primary detective on the case.
812
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,480
Basel.
813
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,480
Yeah.
814
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,480
I know.
815
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,920
It's spelled different than Basel or Basel.
816
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,240
It's like with a Z.
817
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,240
Oh.
818
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,640
So it's interesting.
819
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,640
I've not.
820
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,480
I heard it pronounced several times, but I feel like I want to say it weird.
821
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,520
I want to say it weird, you guys.
822
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,520
How do you want to say it?
823
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,520
I don't know.
824
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Like, Bazael.
825
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Like, gazelle.
826
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Yeah, like gazelle, but with a B.
827
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,760
Think of like, razzle basil.
828
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,760
Yeah, basil.
829
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,760
It's the same basil.
830
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,760
Razzle basil basil.
831
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,760
Razzle basil basil.
832
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,760
There you go.
833
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,760
Okay.
834
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:16,040
He'd been a financial analyst with Boeing prior to joining law enforcement.
835
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
So it's funny because we were talking about Boeing in the beginning.
836
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Weird.
837
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Everything in the world connects.
838
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,200
I know.
839
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,320
And that was completely unintentional because you know I'm a goldfish and I can never
840
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,000
remember this like, three pages deep into my nose.
841
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,640
Like Ben at the nearby elementary school following up on a different case when he heard
842
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,040
sirens.
843
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,360
And though he didn't have his radio, he knew almost immediately that he should respond.
844
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,640
So he didn't even know what was happening, but he was like, gotta go sirens.
845
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,840
When Tim razzle dazzle Bazael.
846
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,840
I was like, no.
847
00:42:52,840 --> 00:43:02,040
Arrived on the scene.
848
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,400
The man that had been sprayed was still also on the scene.
849
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,400
So terrible.
850
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,400
I feel so terrible for him.
851
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,880
I like how to smile and like slowly shifted into like what does this like your grimace?
852
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Like a gromace.
853
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,380
Yeah.
854
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:17,120
He was not only trying to flush his eyes, but was also experiencing some difficulty breathing.
855
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Oh, yeah.
856
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Yeah.
857
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,120
She got some.
858
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,120
She's so gnar-nar.
859
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,120
In your lungs.
860
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120
It's gnarcy.
861
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Oh.
862
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Multiple calls were placed to 911 within just minutes of the robbery from inside and outside
863
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:39,720
the bank, as well as the brinks truck and others that came from passers-by.
864
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:40,720
Wow.
865
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:47,080
A lot of people were like, hey, did you guys just, did you know they just like, they robbed
866
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,400
that guy?
867
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,880
You know, who brings the money?
868
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:58,240
By the time law enforcement made it down towards Creek, the inner tube was long since abandoned.
869
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,240
Okay.
870
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:06,520
The only evidence Anthony had left behind of his crime were the remnants of his disguise,
871
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,680
an evake description of a tall man with an athletic build.
872
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:16,240
The witnesses said they'd seen quickly making his way in the direction of the Creek from
873
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,120
what they could tell.
874
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,040
The unexpected and mysterious crime became the talk of the town.
875
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,440
Small town.
876
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,440
Yeah.
877
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,440
But it also is pretty wild.
878
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Yeah.
879
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,400
I feel like that would be the talk of a big town, though.
880
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,640
It was a homeless man that came forward to the Monroe detectives that would lead to the
881
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:46,160
undoing of our capers, perpetrator.
882
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,000
And I realized that I've said homeless.
883
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:57,000
I believe that's how he referred to himself and he was referred to in a number of the various
884
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,680
source material that I looked at.
885
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:07,160
But on the whole, I think we don't necessarily love that term.
886
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:14,800
He'd noticed a wig, mask, pepper spray, odd compo.
887
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,760
He had a dumpster in a spot that he was known to frequent.
888
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,760
He'd called it in as he was concerned that it seemed odd and thought on the off chance
889
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,320
of something untoward going on.
890
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,160
He didn't want for anyone to suspect he had any connection.
891
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,160
Oh, yeah.
892
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,160
I mean, that makes sense.
893
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Yeah.
894
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,880
You're a homeless or a houseless person.
895
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,120
You are an easy target.
896
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Yeah.
897
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,120
Exactly.
898
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,000
I was like really thinking like that was so smart, so smart.
899
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,480
And he's going to continue to be kind of smart, dude.
900
00:45:52,480 --> 00:46:00,640
The report taken by patrol included the details of the unusual stash.
901
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,760
Nothing had come of the call initially, but they were glad the dispatcher had taken down
902
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:12,120
his name in order to track him down.
903
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:17,480
You know, after the robbery had happened, the detectives went to an area where a large
904
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:25,360
unhoused population was known to congregate in sort of a little makeshift community.
905
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:33,560
And they took with them a bag, shocked, full of McDonald's cheeseburgers and other goodies.
906
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
No, these two not just hats.
907
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,400
Yeah.
908
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,400
Okay.
909
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,600
They traded the burgers for information and they were actually able to track down the man
910
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,360
that had made the report.
911
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,360
Wow.
912
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Yeah.
913
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:53,240
Authorities had been unable to trace anything via the Craigslist ad, which they thought for
914
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,640
sure, oh, there's a Craigslist ad.
915
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,960
All of these people responded that surely will be able to trace that.
916
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,960
No dice.
917
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Nothing.
918
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,400
So this was just the break that they were looking for.
919
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,800
He told detectives.
920
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,320
He'd also seen a man come out of the woods and take the stuff.
921
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,800
So he'd seen this stuff a couple days prior.
922
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,800
Somebody came and collected it.
923
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,800
Oh.
924
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:28,760
He saw someone who may or may not be connected with the robbery.
925
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,600
He'd written down the license plate of the vehicle that that person had been traveling
926
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,600
in.
927
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Oh, shit.
928
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Yeah.
929
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:48,520
And I know you're going to be super surprised and not mad, but just disappointing to learn
930
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,440
that the plate was linked to Emily Curcio.
931
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,440
That's Anthony's wife.
932
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Okay.
933
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,440
Just connecting the dots.
934
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Yeah.
935
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,280
Honestly, I didn't know she was in on this whole thing.
936
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,280
I'm just kidding.
937
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,280
I shouldn't say that.
938
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,280
For legal reasons, I shouldn't say that.
939
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,280
She's not.
940
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,280
She's not.
941
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,280
But that's how they connected to one Anthony Curcio.
942
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,800
Very smart.
943
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,800
While they surveilled Anthony, they observed him on more than one expensive shopping tree,
944
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,840
including the purchase of a Range Rover.
945
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:37,080
He even took a trip to Vegas with friends and his teenage mistress.
946
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:46,360
It was all fun in games until the child knew it was not great.
947
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,840
I was also going to ask, did he purchase a pool so he can swim in Dollar Dollar Bill?
948
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:56,640
I just thought that was all of those, y'all.
949
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:02,520
See, personally, I like to fill my swimming pool full of liquor and then dive in.
950
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,640
But I can see where we are.
951
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,120
I'm very different.
952
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:14,720
We can have a champagne pool with dry bags of money floating around in it.
953
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,800
How's that sound?
954
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:24,280
I was literally going Kendrick Lamar and I'm not even sure where you're at.
955
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:31,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
956
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:38,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
957
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
958
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
959
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
960
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
961
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
962
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
963
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
964
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
965
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
966
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
967
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
968
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,280
I was like, "I'm going to get my drink."
969
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:58,280
You know I like vodka and in that pool would have bubble carbonation, water, and bubbles.
970
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:05,280
In lime floaties, in buble.
971
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,280
So many bubbles so little time.
972
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:15,720
Here are a few details that were seemingly only discovered after the fact.
973
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:21,240
His co-conspirator backed out at the last minute.
974
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,240
The night before the heist.
975
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:24,240
Uh-oh.
976
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,240
Uh-huh.
977
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,240
Who was co-conspirator?
978
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,240
I'm not going to.
979
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:33,240
I don't think I have them specifically named.
980
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:39,240
I think they've remained largely unnamed in a lot of the material out there.
981
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:46,240
I'm world about this, but shocked that anyone backed out of this genius planet.
982
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:57,240
Well, in the wake of this sudden change of heart, he enlisted to other friends as a getaway driver and look out.
983
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,240
How do you just find these friends?
984
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,240
Like, you want to rob a bank in the garage?
985
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:06,240
The lookout was to keep an eye on highway two from across the way.
986
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:13,240
The area where he had stashed his inner tube that was supposedly, "This is the best ride."
987
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,240
This is the best.
988
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:19,240
The inner tube that he used was also supposedly stolen property.
989
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:22,240
Oh, well, of course it was.
990
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:29,240
Well, you don't want to go out and buy an inner tube because, you know, what if they go and check at the Walmart?
991
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,240
You know what I want to picture this inner tube?
992
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:35,240
It's like one of those like, pizza-shaped ones.
993
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,240
Oh, that big unicorn.
994
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:42,240
I mean, honestly, it's almost as noticeable.
995
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,240
It was like, you know that song, "Black and Yellow?"
996
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,240
Yeah.
997
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:59,240
That's, I just hear it every time I talk about the inner tube because it was literally like a fucking, not an actual bumblebee, but it was a black and yellow inner tube.
998
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:02,240
Like, it couldn't have been more inconspicuous.
999
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,240
Wow.
1000
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:17,240
So anyways, where he had stashed the inner tube, that now sits on private property.
1001
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:33,240
If you've got a road noise kink or are just interested in hearing Anthony recount some of the events that took place, then you should check out the podcast series, "The Sneak."
1002
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,240
You were like, "He's the snake, he's the snake, he's the snake."
1003
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,240
I just pick up on these things.
1004
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:40,240
Yes.
1005
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:50,240
There's a lone house nearby just across the street that Anthony had access to at the time through his real estate business.
1006
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,240
That's where his getaway driver was waiting.
1007
00:52:53,240 --> 00:53:05,240
So this was kind of an interesting point that somebody made in the long form documentary.
1008
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:19,240
It seems like the smart thing to do at the time might have been just to wait out the initial police response to the robbery inside that house.
1009
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:24,240
That you have access to legitimately.
1010
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:31,240
He talked about this and he was like, "Yeah, I could have even set up some like kind of phony showings."
1011
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:39,240
And I could have hung out there for hours to just let the area clear completely.
1012
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,240
And nobody would have been the wiser.
1013
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:51,240
I mean, I guess they would have still connected this to him, to be honest because of our good friend.
1014
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:53,240
Good friend.
1015
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,240
We'll come back to it.
1016
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:05,240
It was the quaint downtown area of Monroe that his getaway driver started freaking out.
1017
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:06,240
Freaking out, man.
1018
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,240
Freaking out, man.
1019
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:14,240
He's already pulled over. He can't pull over any farther.
1020
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,240
That's how it was like.
1021
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,240
This is what it was like.
1022
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:29,240
The driver stopped, popped the trunk, and initially Anthony was able to get it closed again because he was inside the trunk.
1023
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,240
The guy was kind of like trying to be like, "Get the fuck out of my car."
1024
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,240
Like, "I can't do this."
1025
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,240
And he just closed the trunk again.
1026
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,240
Okay.
1027
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:47,240
But the second time, he crawled out of the car, leaving the money in the trunk.
1028
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:56,240
He snuck into the laundry room of a nearby apartment complex, snatched a shirt he found to help switch up his look,
1029
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:07,240
and then walked over to the real estate office to place a call to his getaway driver, which like you were just with him.
1030
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:11,240
Like, he doesn't want anything to do with this.
1031
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,240
Why are you calling him?
1032
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,240
Why do you leave the money in there?
1033
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,240
I had so many questions.
1034
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:22,240
So many questions. That was the first question that I had.
1035
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:26,240
The first time Anthony called, the driver didn't answer.
1036
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:34,240
The second time he immediately hung up on Anthony after he heard his voice.
1037
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:42,240
Anthony's truck was parked a short walk away.
1038
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:46,240
But of course, he's kind of got a lot of stuff going on right now.
1039
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:55,240
He's a little bit nervous about walking around in public as the guy who just robbed the bank, but right, and his money is gone.
1040
00:55:55,240 --> 00:56:00,240
So like, yeah, it just gets better though.
1041
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:08,240
Anthony called the lookout, who turned out to actually also be a dud, having bailed on the plant.
1042
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,240
So he never showed up at the Bank of America.
1043
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:14,240
He was never being a lookout.
1044
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,240
He was a lookout in you to get now.
1045
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,240
You didn't like make sure your lookout was there?
1046
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,240
I don't I'm weird.
1047
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,240
Who's looking out for the lookout?
1048
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,240
I don't know. Probably somebody who's sober.
1049
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:41,240
He described the odd feeling of looking up and seeing helicopters that unbeknownst anyone around him were in fact looking for him.
1050
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:49,240
He got to his truck and then met with his getaway driver in another nearby small town.
1051
00:56:49,240 --> 00:57:00,240
Though he was super pissed about his unreliable support team, particularly the getaway driver, he didn't have much time to waste on that conflict.
1052
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,240
And besides, they'd keep quiet.
1053
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:10,240
Knowing he dropped his walkie talkie along the escape route.
1054
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:20,240
It was intended to be a clever way of alerting authorities to the fact that there was more than one guilty party to keep the others in check.
1055
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Oh, okay. That was kind of genius.
1056
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:31,240
I know it took me a long while to figure out I was like, okay, so like, why did he even have a walkie?
1057
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:41,240
Sometimes you just can't lead a horse to water. I was really struggling for a minute and I was like, they've not talked about these walkie talkies once.
1058
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,240
What the fuck is happening with these fucking walkie talkies?
1059
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,240
I must have been hungry. I don't know.
1060
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,240
You want to eat walkie talkies now?
1061
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:58,240
No. No, I must have been hungry when it was like doing that part of my research though, because I was like, I don't get it.
1062
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,240
Who the fuck cares about the walkie talkies?
1063
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,240
Some are limited as they were.
1064
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Anthony's undoing as with any other criminals would be simple mistakes or oversight.
1065
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Because he did, you know, a fair few things right?
1066
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Ish. Yeah.
1067
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:33,240
They recovered the mask that they assail him, had worn from the scene of the robbery, from which they were able to pull a DNA sample.
1068
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:39,240
Wow. So it's probably why you shouldn't leave that behind.
1069
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Authorities were convinced that Anthony was their guy, because they're already, you know, uncovered that the license plate of a vehicle registered to his wife.
1070
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:56,240
You know, that whole thing, thanks to their unhoused witness, Dennis.
1071
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,240
What if it was a stolen vehicle?
1072
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:05,240
Could have been, but they didn't probably have any reports from Emily about her vehicle being stolen?
1073
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,240
What does she know?
1074
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,240
I mean, good lawyer.
1075
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Anyways, let's focus on the wholesomeness of the name Dennis.
1076
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:27,240
Yeah. Through the course of surveilling, Anthony, they were able to watch for anything being left behind or discarded, might possibly contain his DNA.
1077
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,240
So they could try matching it to the sample left on the mask.
1078
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,240
Sneaky snakes.
1079
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:43,240
That's why that Bryan Kohberger douche was like bagging up his trash everywhere and right.
1080
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:55,240
As luck would have it. At some point while he's gassing up his range rover, he tosses out a gatorade bottle that he'd been using as a spit cup for his chew.
1081
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Oh, nasty.
1082
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,240
Like the most disgusting thing.
1083
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,240
Can they get DNA out of that? That's so gross.
1084
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:09,240
They definitely can chew soup. Trying to keep gagging about this internal only now, because it's where to go.
1085
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,240
I could have made myself throw up.
1086
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,240
I can't hear a gross story.
1087
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:21,240
I don't know. Well, I'll just say I do a lot of like can collecting for like, Puplandia donations (https://www.puplandiadogrescue.org/).
1088
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,240
No, I'm not going to say anymore.
1089
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,240
Oh my god.
1090
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,240
Do you know I had someone sit in my car?
1091
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,240
You guys met her trash.
1092
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:40,240
Okay. And I've I can vouch for that because I'm getting married.
1093
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,240
But I found all of the trash first.
1094
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,240
Okay.
1095
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,240
She'll all of the trash.
1096
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,240
Yeah. Okay. Some Miner Frogs.
1097
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,240
I found all the trash.
1098
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,240
Okay. I was like, well, no, let's go dumpster diet.
1099
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:02,240
I've had a man sit in my car with a red solo cup full of chew spit.
1100
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,240
And I said, oh gosh.
1101
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,240
Could you use a bottle or something with a lid?
1102
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,240
And he was like, it's fine.
1103
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,240
You know, any dead less than a minute later.
1104
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:21,240
You spelled it all over the seat.
1105
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,240
Words can't describe to you how much I want to hurl right now.
1106
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,240
That it like.
1107
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,240
Ugh.
1108
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,240
Even if you hadn't spilled it.
1109
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,240
You spelled it with a wide open.
1110
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,240
It's gross. Yeah. Put it in a bottle for fuck's sake.
1111
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,240
Yeah. Come on.
1112
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,240
I hate the bottles.
1113
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,240
Also, I don't I don't want to look at that.
1114
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,240
Yeah.
1115
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,240
Why do they pick a clear bottle?
1116
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,240
Yeah.
1117
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,240
Because they like to see how disgusting they are.
1118
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,240
Really.
1119
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,240
Really disgusting.
1120
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,240
Just in case anyone was wondering.
1121
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,240
Any who's all science.
1122
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:04,240
The lab was able to confirm the DNA match based off this sample.
1123
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,240
Put it what cost?
1124
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,240
Ugh.
1125
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,240
I hope they're wearing a hazmat suit.
1126
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,240
I know.
1127
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,240
Okay.
1128
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,240
The ends justify the means, but I'm just saying.
1129
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,240
I'm not the crime scene tech who drew the short straw on that day.
1130
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,240
I'm really glad.
1131
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,240
I'm really glad.
1132
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,240
I'm glad I'm not a crime scene tech.
1133
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,240
I'm just being gosh, thank you.
1134
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,240
Whoever does that.
1135
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,240
Yeah.
1136
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,240
Because we do a lot of work.
1137
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:34,240
Okay.
1138
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,240
On November 4th, 2008, when Anthony was arrested.
1139
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,240
What?
1140
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,240
While he was at Target.
1141
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,240
Urika.
1142
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:51,240
He had $17,000 in cash with him.
1143
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,240
That's not in any way suspicious.
1144
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,240
Just some walking around money.
1145
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,240
Okay.
1146
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,240
He was at Target.
1147
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,240
Okay.
1148
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,240
I frequently would like to take $17,000 with him to Target.
1149
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:04,240
That's a doubt.
1150
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,240
I don't want one of those dream like game shows.
1151
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,240
I hear $17,000.
1152
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,240
Go to Target and buy as much as you can in 30 seconds.
1153
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,240
Mmm.
1154
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:20,240
When a search warrant was executed on their home, none of the money was found.
1155
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,240
It had been stashed with a friend.
1156
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,240
Oh.
1157
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,240
A square roll.
1158
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,240
Oh.
1159
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,240
Oh.
1160
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,240
Oh.
1161
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,240
Oh.
1162
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,240
Oh, my gosh.
1163
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,240
I just think it's so funny because I'm like, can you throw off with your money?
1164
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,240
I'm really going to trust.
1165
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,240
I don't know if it's the same guy.
1166
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,240
I'm assuming.
1167
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,240
Oh.
1168
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:50,240
Because I would like to think that he probably wouldn't be dumb enough to involve additional people.
1169
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,240
At this point, but.
1170
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,240
I might be asking a lot.
1171
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,240
Yeah.
1172
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,240
Yeah.
1173
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:04,720
He was charged in the local county court, but due to the Hobbs Act dating back to the 1950s,
1174
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:13,240
it wasn't immediately qualified as a federal crime because he didn't enter the bank.
1175
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,240
Oh.
1176
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,240
Did he know that?
1177
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,240
Did he do that on purpose?
1178
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,240
I don't know that he did.
1179
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,240
I think he just thought logistically it would be easier.
1180
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:28,240
But that's a really great loophole.
1181
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,240
Yeah.
1182
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,160
It doesn't become a federal offense until the money is actually inside the bank.
1183
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,240
I feel like that loophole has got to be closed.
1184
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:36,240
Wow.
1185
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:47,240
But extenuating circumstances and a robbery allow for federal charges to be brought.
1186
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:53,240
Which extenuating circumstances that's so subjective.
1187
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,240
Yeah.
1188
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:55,240
So subjective.
1189
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,240
I just feel like.
1190
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,240
So they're kind of like.
1191
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,240
So they're kind of like.
1192
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,240
Really want to roll those dice?
1193
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,240
That's a dumb rule.
1194
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,240
I mean, yes and no.
1195
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:13,240
Both the prosecutor and the judge were seemingly a bit amused by the clever planning that went into the robbery.
1196
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,240
I bet.
1197
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,240
Yeah.
1198
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:22,240
Saying he'd almost succeeded in carrying out the perfect crime.
1199
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,240
Which I'm like, your honor.
1200
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,240
I object.
1201
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,240
That was very generous.
1202
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,240
Yeah.
1203
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:34,240
I mean, it's a lot more clever and well planned out.
1204
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,240
Like he definitely did a lot more research.
1205
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,240
The execution was a little bit rough around the edges.
1206
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:47,240
I would say compared to other robberies though, like, yeah.
1207
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,240
But come on.
1208
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:58,240
They showed real inventive.
1209
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,240
He really did.
1210
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,240
Anthony could have been facing up to 20 years.
1211
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:10,240
But the prosecutor asked for just five in his recommendation to the judge.
1212
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,240
His addiction appeared to have been a factor in this decision.
1213
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,240
Which did that give him more or less time?
1214
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,240
No.
1215
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:26,240
I think the DA wanted to pursue less time because they felt like they wanted him to get help.
1216
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:33,240
They saw how intelligent, how gifted, how motivated, that, you know, this man was.
1217
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:37,240
And even under the influence, like, yeah.
1218
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:42,240
I mean, he very clearly could have nearly gotten away with this.
1219
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,240
Yeah.
1220
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:48,240
So hopefully they had a plan in mind to get him help and then just hope he would.
1221
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,240
Yeah, go to jail because there's no drugs there.
1222
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,240
Yeah, go to jail.
1223
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,240
You'll get sober.
1224
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,240
You'll be reformed.
1225
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,240
Everything.
1226
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,240
Fine.
1227
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Honestly, listening to a lot of the interviews that they did with him, I was like, is he high right now?
1228
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,240
No.
1229
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,240
So I don't know.
1230
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:20,240
Anthony's friends and family also submitted over 100 pages of letters explaining how those that knew him had seen his struggles, but attested to his character and potential.
1231
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:26,240
They asked for leniency as the judge considered his sentencing.
1232
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:33,240
Like, obviously, guys, like, do I even need to connect the dots here? Like, we all get that.
1233
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,240
Like, he was arrested.
1234
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,240
He's obviously found guilty and he's sentenced.
1235
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,240
Like, yeah.
1236
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,240
I was like, I feel like I kind of sped through some of that.
1237
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,240
But I'm like, listen.
1238
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,240
I feel like this goes without saying almost.
1239
01:07:49,240 --> 01:08:03,240
In the end, Anthony was sentenced to six years in federal prison. Emily and Anthony reunited after his sentence and worked through the issues and their marriage brought up by his addiction.
1240
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,240
As far as I know, they are still together.
1241
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,240
Oh, she's a saint of a woman, literally.
1242
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,240
St. Emily.
1243
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,240
Wow.
1244
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,240
Yeah.
1245
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:21,240
He wrote an illustrated well over a dozen, takes several seats and deep breaths here.
1246
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,240
This is wild to me, but I also kind of love it.
1247
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:40,240
Wrote an illustrated well over a dozen children's books while incarcerated, some of which were aimed at helping kids cope with the incarceration of a parent.
1248
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,240
Oh, I know.
1249
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,240
Oh, it's fun.
1250
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,240
It's sweet.
1251
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,240
She's a sweet, what a cry.
1252
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,240
Jesus.
1253
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,240
I know.
1254
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,240
Wait, it'd be a good guy.
1255
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:54,240
I think it was literally called my daddy is in jail.
1256
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,240
Oh, my God.
1257
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:01,240
Oh, my God.
1258
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:09,240
Others focused on highlighting sports figures and important lessons that could be taken away from their successes.
1259
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:21,240
Because fucking sports, Gananthani, sports and he also wrote a book about the crime itself called Heist and High.
1260
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,240
You know, I like this little H and H thing.
1261
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,240
He's got going on.
1262
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,240
I'm a fan.
1263
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,240
I'm a fan.
1264
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,240
He's also done a TED talk.
1265
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,240
So if you want to go look that up.
1266
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:46,240
Now, there is a line that I redacted from my notes as I was reading them because I realized that I told you I can't tell you the initials.
1267
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,240
You realize I was only half listening to the rest of the episode.
1268
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,240
I listened to you said that because I was thinking about what that could have been.
1269
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1270
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:56,240
Okay.
1271
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:07,240
So don't be forget I have a personal story, but remember I said Woods Creek, which feeds into Skakomish River was closed by.
1272
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:23,240
So he thought what about escaping on a jet ski and the line that I redacted from my notes was honestly, is that any crazier than the daring escape made by his namesake?
1273
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,240
And Cassie goes, I don't fucking know who's his namesake.
1274
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,240
Who's his namesake?
1275
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:36,240
So Anthony has been dubbed DBTuber.
1276
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:41,240
[Laughter]
1277
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:49,240
And I was trying to come up with a clever way of like making you think that I was going to talk about DB Cooper.
1278
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:56,240
But you kind of talked yourself into it. I didn't even have to come up with a backstory or like make up.
1279
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,240
How did I know?
1280
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,240
I had no clue what you were going to talk about. How did I just like mention that?
1281
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:08,240
I have no idea. It was so random, but because I was really trying to think of like, oh my god.
1282
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:15,240
Okay, so like what kind of like a backstory or like how could I make my notes more like general?
1283
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,240
Just so that she really thinks this is about DB Cooper.
1284
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,240
This could be DB Cooper. Maybe he was DB Cooper.
1285
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,240
I think because he wasn't born until after the crime occurred.
1286
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,240
I don't know. He's pretty.
1287
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,240
He's pretty crafty.
1288
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,240
Look, I'd like to see some like, I'm a machine.
1289
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:39,240
You know, his disguises are legendary.
1290
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,240
I mean, that's true.
1291
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,240
He could not even be the santa. Yeah, it's true. What if he zips off his Anthony suit?
1292
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,240
He's lizard underneath.
1293
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,240
And we've arrived at lizard people.
1294
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:58,240
You're welcome. We can end the podcast now. We are done.
1295
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,240
Cheers. Cheers.
1296
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,240
Yes, we should do one last tear.
1297
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,240
Wait, maybe.
1298
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Which I've already written notes for more cases. You're stuck with me.
1299
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,240
All right.
1300
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,240
Okay, well, I would like to refill my glass.
1301
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:22,240
And I think we should do some tarot, but maybe I will share my personal story.
1302
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,240
Yeah.
1303
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,240
We can get into it.
1304
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:24,240
Yes.
1305
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:33,240
Because I do have some other feel good things that I can share for our Patreon as little bonusy bonus for this episode.
1306
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,240
Okay.
1307
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,240
That's more dbtuber fans.
1308
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,240
That is so funny.
1309
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,240
Dbtuber.
1310
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:45,240
The whole time I was like this, like, it's similar in the craziness aspect.
1311
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,240
It really is.
1312
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,240
The movie like.
1313
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Oh my.
1314
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,240
Oh my.
1315
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,240
It's so cinematic.
1316
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,240
Dbtuber.
1317
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,240
Dbtuber.
1318
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,240
Yeah.
1319
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:55,240
All right.
1320
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,240
Well, should we.
1321
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,240
Are you going to tell your story now?
1322
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,240
No, I'm going to let's switch over.
1323
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:07,240
Let's get, yeah, look, I'll do that right before we do the tarot.
1324
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,240
Yeah.
1325
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,240
Dbtuber.
1326
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,240
Hahaha.
1327
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:18,240
I wonder what that's for you.
1328
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,240
Excellent.
1329
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,240
Oh.
1330
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,240
What do you get?
1331
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:29,240
The two of cups in reverse.
1332
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,240
Interesting.
1333
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,240
Okay, okay, okay.
1334
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:32,240
Okay.
1335
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:40,240
Two of cups are keywords are partnership, harmony, creative exchange and cooperation.
1336
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,240
Hmm.
1337
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,240
I wonder if it does.
1338
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,240
I was like, I don't know about this, but I don't know about reverse.
1339
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,240
I know the uprights a good card.
1340
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,240
Yeah.
1341
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,240
Hmm.
1342
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:58,040
In many decks, the two of cups shows a man and woman holding chalices as if toasting each
1343
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,040
other.
1344
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:05,840
The card represents joining forces with someone either romantically or in a creative slash
1345
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,400
spiritual endeavor.
1346
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:15,320
You share a common dream, interest or passion and can work together to bring it into being.
1347
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:20,040
Mutual respect and equality exist between you.
1348
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,560
Okay.
1349
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:34,560
And the two of cups appears reversed.
1350
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,120
It may mean a partnership takes a while to get going or that you run into obstacles.
1351
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,560
Or that all your partners keep ditching you.
1352
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:42,560
Yeah.
1353
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:43,560
Exactly.
1354
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:52,060
In some cases, it indicates dwindling affection, inequality or a lack of supportiveness in
1355
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:53,060
a relationship.
1356
01:14:53,060 --> 01:14:55,820
You're going to love this.
1357
01:14:55,820 --> 01:15:03,620
In a reading about money, the reverse to can signify an uneven investment of resources.
1358
01:15:03,620 --> 01:15:05,580
Oh, wow.
1359
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:12,700
It can represent complications or a delay in receiving money, especially from a joint
1360
01:15:12,700 --> 01:15:19,500
venture trust divorce settlement or legacy, which, oh, they get any of those describes.
1361
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:20,500
Oh, hi.
1362
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:21,500
Nice.
1363
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:22,500
Yeah.
1364
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:28,960
If the reading is about your job, this card may mean you don't feel a business partner as pulling
1365
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,060
his or her weight or you don't get the support you desire.
1366
01:15:34,060 --> 01:15:37,980
You don't get that look out, you know?
1367
01:15:37,980 --> 01:15:40,980
Or you're get away driver's use opening the trunk.
1368
01:15:40,980 --> 01:15:41,980
It goes over.
1369
01:15:41,980 --> 01:15:45,980
It goes over speed bumps.
1370
01:15:45,980 --> 01:15:46,980
Oh, God.
1371
01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:51,300
Oh, God.
1372
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:56,340
It can also point to a lack of cooperation in your workplace.
1373
01:15:56,340 --> 01:16:02,420
In a reading about love, the reverse to sometimes represents a secretly a's on holy shit.
1374
01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:04,020
Didn't you have like a child bride?
1375
01:16:04,020 --> 01:16:05,020
Yeah.
1376
01:16:05,020 --> 01:16:06,340
Not a bride, but yeah.
1377
01:16:06,340 --> 01:16:11,940
Or it may point to a period of disharmony or cooling affection.
1378
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:15,620
Perhaps there's a lack of balance or equality in a relationship.
1379
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:18,460
Yeah, I mean, I'd say so.
1380
01:16:18,460 --> 01:16:26,180
She's a home tended to your chillance and you are in Vegas with your child not bride and
1381
01:16:26,180 --> 01:16:27,700
a bunch of buddies.
1382
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:28,700
You.
1383
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:29,700
You.
1384
01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:30,700
You.
1385
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:31,700
You.
1386
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:35,060
Apparently, he made up for it if they're still together.
1387
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:36,060
Yeah.
1388
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:38,060
Well, it's hope so.
1389
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:39,340
I just hope she's okay.
1390
01:16:39,340 --> 01:16:40,340
And this whole thing.
1391
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:41,340
Yeah.
1392
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:42,340
I hope she's okay.
1393
01:16:42,340 --> 01:16:43,340
And the kids.
1394
01:16:43,340 --> 01:16:44,340
Yeah.
1395
01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:45,340
Exactly.
1396
01:16:45,340 --> 01:16:53,100
I'm just realizing I meant to tell my story before we did the tarot.
1397
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:56,020
Oh, it's really short.
1398
01:16:56,020 --> 01:17:00,140
So I'll just say this before we sign off.
1399
01:17:00,140 --> 01:17:09,540
I actually worked at Washington, Mutual or WAMU if you're nice before it was bought out by
1400
01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:12,860
Chase.
1401
01:17:12,860 --> 01:17:21,660
In this very time period, actually, during the 2008, 2009 kind of that period of time during
1402
01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:29,740
the sort of financial crisis that many of us remember and not fondly.
1403
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:36,180
And I actually was there and I was next to a teller that was robbed.
1404
01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:38,940
Oh, God.
1405
01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:48,740
My experience with a bank robbery is that I did not know that we had been robbed until
1406
01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:52,460
people started closing the bank doors.
1407
01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:57,060
And I was like, oh, just going on.
1408
01:17:57,060 --> 01:17:58,060
It is midday.
1409
01:17:58,060 --> 01:18:01,860
Oh, I didn't know that.
1410
01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:03,860
I didn't know that.
1411
01:18:03,860 --> 01:18:14,380
And the teller that I worked with, he tried to give the guy the bait money and he tried pushing
1412
01:18:14,380 --> 01:18:19,980
his button and it turned out that his, they don't call it like a, I don't think they call
1413
01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:28,180
a panic button, but it's like a button that's supposed to kind of like alert the authorities.
1414
01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:30,940
And his wasn't working.
1415
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:33,140
Oh, God.
1416
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:42,780
Yes, this particular gentleman had actually robbed a number of banks in the area and he
1417
01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:44,900
was eventually caught.
1418
01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:55,740
I will say this, all of his robberies, he walked away with, I think, less than $5,000 from each
1419
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:57,300
and every single one of them.
1420
01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:59,300
Oh, wow.
1421
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:00,300
Nice.
1422
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:08,220
Yeah, because what happens is you walk up to a teller with a note as this person did and
1423
01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:12,740
you just say, you know, give me the money or however you want to word it.
1424
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:15,260
And this is not a suggestion or tip.
1425
01:19:15,260 --> 01:19:19,140
This is just how it tends to go down.
1426
01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:24,740
And that person is kind of trying to just act normal because again, like we talked about,
1427
01:19:24,740 --> 01:19:26,780
they have no idea if you're armed.
1428
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:32,900
They have no idea what your intentions are beyond obviously trying to take money from the
1429
01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:34,900
bank.
1430
01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:38,060
And luckily, I mean, everybody was fine.
1431
01:19:38,060 --> 01:19:43,020
It was a little bit like, I think, you know, people feel a little bit shaken after that.
1432
01:19:43,020 --> 01:19:44,020
Yeah.
1433
01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:45,420
I will say this.
1434
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:54,500
The most upsetting part of the entire experience is that the policy of the particular financial
1435
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:57,500
institution that I worked for at the time.
1436
01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:01,420
I can't remember if it was Wamu or if it was Chase at this point.
1437
01:20:01,420 --> 01:20:03,860
So probably they have the same policy.
1438
01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:15,340
But if you were on shift when a robbery occurred, you could make the choice as a team to just
1439
01:20:15,340 --> 01:20:20,820
go ahead and take the rest of the day off and it would be paid.
1440
01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:22,580
My team opted out.
1441
01:20:22,580 --> 01:20:23,580
Why?
1442
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:27,340
They were like, yeah, no, let's just go back to work.
1443
01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:28,340
Why?
1444
01:20:28,340 --> 01:20:30,500
It's paid.
1445
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:31,500
Yeah.
1446
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:34,780
That doesn't make any sense.
1447
01:20:34,780 --> 01:20:37,220
It really does, because they're going to pay you either way.
1448
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:42,420
And honestly, even though nobody's holding a gun in your face, it is a little bit traumatizing
1449
01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:48,420
to realize that someone came in with that sort of intention and was in your space.
1450
01:20:48,420 --> 01:20:51,020
And we used to make that decision for everybody.
1451
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:53,340
Like everyone reacts to things differently.
1452
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:58,500
Literally everyone else decided pretty much to go back to work.
1453
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:02,700
I think there was one other person that was kind of like quietly in the background, like
1454
01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:03,700
me being one.
1455
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:06,540
I mean, we could just take the day.
1456
01:21:06,540 --> 01:21:07,540
I'm like, fuck you guys.
1457
01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:09,500
I'm going to go have a min TV.
1458
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:10,500
Yeah.
1459
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:11,500
Bye.
1460
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:12,500
Yeah.
1461
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:13,500
Yeah.
1462
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:15,180
But I guess, I don't know.
1463
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:19,060
Maybe it was like you could do it as an individual and it didn't have to be like the whole
1464
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:20,300
branch closest down.
1465
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:21,620
I have no idea.
1466
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:27,700
This was so many years ago, but yeah, I feel like it should be on an individual basis.
1467
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:31,820
Not like the whole branch has to take a vote and it has to be like unanimous.
1468
01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:32,820
Yeah.
1469
01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:34,780
Also, it wouldn't have been unanimous.
1470
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:35,780
Yeah.
1471
01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:38,820
Because your girl would have taken a few hours off.
1472
01:21:38,820 --> 01:21:40,820
Damn, that sucks.
1473
01:21:40,820 --> 01:21:43,700
We're like halfway through the shift for most of us.
1474
01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:46,180
It was kind of like, do they at least like get you guys one?
1475
01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:47,180
Try like don't.
1476
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:50,180
No, that's our subject.
1477
01:21:50,180 --> 01:21:57,860
And yes, again, I realize nothing violent or obviously traumatizing happened, but like
1478
01:21:57,860 --> 01:22:03,860
the company policy is to like, if you want to, you can take the rest of the day.
1479
01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:05,500
And here's the thing.
1480
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:10,740
As awful as it is and I certainly wouldn't compare my experience to someone who has been
1481
01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:15,740
in like a more aggressive bank robbery.
1482
01:22:15,740 --> 01:22:25,100
I will say this, there was something so unsettling about having been present for this thing that's
1483
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:30,220
taking place and having really like no idea.
1484
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:32,180
Like you're in danger, but you don't know.
1485
01:22:32,180 --> 01:22:36,100
So the now you're at every time you're at work, you're like, am I in danger right now?
1486
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:37,100
Right.
1487
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:38,100
I could be.
1488
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:39,100
Am I in your shot right now?
1489
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:40,100
Probably.
1490
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:41,100
Yeah.
1491
01:22:41,100 --> 01:22:42,100
Hopefully not.
1492
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:48,380
And that was a branch that was very conveniently located to a major highway.
1493
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:49,380
Oh, yeah.
1494
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:51,420
I should stop doing that.
1495
01:22:51,420 --> 01:22:52,820
You may be familiar with it.
1496
01:22:52,820 --> 01:22:56,020
It's called the To Well, Jim Valley Highway.
1497
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:57,020
Oh, yeah.
1498
01:22:57,020 --> 01:23:00,060
Steele, so I've been, I've been there.
1499
01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:01,060
Yeah.
1500
01:23:01,060 --> 01:23:02,580
You've seen it.
1501
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:04,620
I had phones keep slipping.
1502
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,500
I really, I'm losing it over here.
1503
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:08,500
No, no.
1504
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:09,500
I know.
1505
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:10,500
She's losing her hair.
1506
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:11,500
Did you finish all of the.
1507
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:12,500
I did.
1508
01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:13,500
Yeah.
1509
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:15,500
Are you going to read us from the little butt?
1510
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:16,940
Let's see what this says.
1511
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:17,940
It is.
1512
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:20,860
Usually these are kind of like toward the upright.
1513
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:21,860
So they are.
1514
01:23:21,860 --> 01:23:22,860
Yeah.
1515
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:26,220
It might be like a little lovey, but I'll just like glance at it.
1516
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:30,020
I feel like I had one more thing to say and I can't remember what it was.
1517
01:23:30,020 --> 01:23:31,020
Oh, shoot.
1518
01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:33,380
Well, I probably just rambled on and I don't know.
1519
01:23:33,380 --> 01:23:35,700
No, no, no, it was like.
1520
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:38,100
What were we talking about right before your story?
1521
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:39,100
Oh, God.
1522
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:42,820
This is a memory quiz right now.
1523
01:23:42,820 --> 01:23:46,100
Yeah, well, I think you know already that I fail.
1524
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:50,180
These are violet green swallows.
1525
01:23:50,180 --> 01:23:52,940
So like there's a lot of green on the thing.
1526
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:54,420
Green on the thing.
1527
01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:56,620
Green because money.
1528
01:23:56,620 --> 01:24:00,020
Green because you know, he loves money.
1529
01:24:00,020 --> 01:24:01,020
Yeah.
1530
01:24:01,020 --> 01:24:07,100
It's kind of like an invisible string lovers meet type of deal with this little thing.
1531
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:08,100
I'm sorry.
1532
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:09,580
Did you say invisible string?
1533
01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:10,580
Yeah.
1534
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:11,580
As in Taylor Swift's.
1535
01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:12,580
Yeah.
1536
01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:13,580
A visible string song.
1537
01:24:13,580 --> 01:24:14,580
Is that it?
1538
01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:15,580
Do you want me to read this?
1539
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:16,580
I don't know.
1540
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:23,260
I mean, it relates to the pod because Taylor Swift.
1541
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:24,260
Let's just do it.
1542
01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:25,260
It's for fun.
1543
01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:26,260
I'll read it.
1544
01:24:26,260 --> 01:24:27,260
If it's too long.
1545
01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:29,260
If people want to hear it, they can, you know, not listen.
1546
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:30,260
Right.
1547
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:31,260
You could go away.
1548
01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:33,260
The swallows is.
1549
01:24:33,260 --> 01:24:37,660
Is it as with an apostrophe?
1550
01:24:37,660 --> 01:24:38,660
How do you say that?
1551
01:24:38,660 --> 01:24:39,660
Swallows.
1552
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:40,660
Just swallows.
1553
01:24:40,660 --> 01:24:41,660
Yeah.
1554
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:42,660
Are you sure it's not swallows?
1555
01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:43,660
Yeah.
1556
01:24:43,660 --> 01:24:44,660
Pretty sure.
1557
01:24:44,660 --> 01:24:46,660
How many times can I say swallows?
1558
01:24:46,660 --> 01:24:48,660
Oh, I don't know.
1559
01:24:48,660 --> 01:24:51,140
The swallows paths crossed.
1560
01:24:51,140 --> 01:24:54,700
I said paths really good that time.
1561
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:56,900
And everything changed for them both.
1562
01:24:56,900 --> 01:25:02,060
Had the wind not carried her a little further than she'd planned to go that day or had yesterday's
1563
01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:04,820
storm not forced him to land early.
1564
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:07,100
They would never have encountered one another.
1565
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:13,300
It's kind of like the unhoused guy being like at the right place at the right time.
1566
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:14,300
Yeah.
1567
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:21,900
Well, and I think too, it's like all of these little, I mean, all of these invisible streams,
1568
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:27,180
like all of these things that it's, you know, it's a series of events, right, where Anthony
1569
01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:30,940
really like, I mean, he could have gone away with this.
1570
01:25:30,940 --> 01:25:35,500
But there's like things drawing back to him.
1571
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:37,100
And I don't know.
1572
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:38,100
Okay.
1573
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:39,100
I'm going to let you finish.
1574
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:41,900
He couldn't quite cut all of the red strings back to him.
1575
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:42,900
Yeah.
1576
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:43,900
The red conspiracy string.
1577
01:25:43,900 --> 01:25:44,900
The red strings.
1578
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:45,900
Not invisible at all.
1579
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:46,900
Not invisible.
1580
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:47,900
Not invisible.
1581
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:48,900
DBTuber.
1582
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:58,620
Had he not Twitter loudly as he sun bathed, they would never have collected grass or twigs
1583
01:25:58,620 --> 01:26:00,900
or feathers together.
1584
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:06,860
Had she not swooped past at precisely the right moment to catch his showy display, they
1585
01:26:06,860 --> 01:26:11,820
would not later shape their turning the page.
1586
01:26:11,820 --> 01:26:15,140
Their collection into a cup in that hollow fur.
1587
01:26:15,140 --> 01:26:16,140
Interesting.
1588
01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:19,460
Oh, like, I see.
1589
01:26:19,460 --> 01:26:21,580
They're like stashing things.
1590
01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:22,580
Oh, okay.
1591
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:23,580
Okay.
1592
01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:24,580
That makes sense.
1593
01:26:24,580 --> 01:26:31,980
And so it's like, okay, that makes me think like to just the idea popped into my head of like
1594
01:26:31,980 --> 01:26:32,980
a nest egg.
1595
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:33,980
Oh, yeah.
1596
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:35,740
And like, there's this young family.
1597
01:26:35,740 --> 01:26:41,500
And the two of them just have like this incredible connection where, you know, she's
1598
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:44,020
released it by him over the years.
1599
01:26:44,020 --> 01:26:45,020
Yeah.
1600
01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:48,900
Well, and he's like trying to like collect this money and like hide it away.
1601
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:54,060
But then the reason I kind of got sidetracked because I was like his showy display.
1602
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:58,180
You know, yeah, fucking showy display.
1603
01:26:58,180 --> 01:27:01,220
Oh, God.
1604
01:27:01,220 --> 01:27:07,740
Had her first return display to him, not complemented the choreography of his own, they
1605
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:14,060
would never have bonded or laid eggs or incubated them or hunted for insects to feed their
1606
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:15,060
brood.
1607
01:27:15,060 --> 01:27:20,860
Oh, he was hunting for insects, you guys to feed his brood.
1608
01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:21,860
Yeah.
1609
01:27:21,860 --> 01:27:23,620
Plus some little other.
1610
01:27:23,620 --> 01:27:26,780
Some other extra curriculars.
1611
01:27:26,780 --> 01:27:34,260
But all those things conspired to occur, whether through chance, serendipity, or fate, their
1612
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:38,420
paths didn't just cross, they converged.
1613
01:27:38,420 --> 01:27:39,420
Converged.
1614
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:40,420
Yeah.
1615
01:27:40,420 --> 01:27:41,420
I feel like that's a great word.
1616
01:27:41,420 --> 01:27:42,420
Yeah.
1617
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:43,420
Oh boy.
1618
01:27:43,420 --> 01:27:44,420
That was good.
1619
01:27:44,420 --> 01:27:45,420
Okay.
1620
01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:46,420
That was good.
1621
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:47,420
I'm glad to read that.
1622
01:27:47,420 --> 01:27:48,420
Yeah.
1623
01:27:48,420 --> 01:27:49,420
Me too.
1624
01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:52,420
Well, it's better than I thought it would be.
1625
01:27:52,420 --> 01:27:54,420
Sometimes they're a little like fluffy.
1626
01:27:54,420 --> 01:27:55,420
Yeah.
1627
01:27:55,420 --> 01:27:56,420
That was better.
1628
01:27:56,420 --> 01:27:57,420
Yeah.
1629
01:27:57,420 --> 01:27:58,420
How good was it?
1630
01:27:58,420 --> 01:27:59,420
It was so good.
1631
01:27:59,420 --> 01:28:00,420
It was so good.
1632
01:28:00,420 --> 01:28:08,580
I do have a little like Patreon mini-sode, just some little like add on things that I found
1633
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:15,020
related to this case that only fit in neatly and we're probably already running long
1634
01:28:15,020 --> 01:28:16,020
for this episode.
1635
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:20,060
So I'm going to take this over to the page.
1636
01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:21,060
Okay.
1637
01:28:21,060 --> 01:28:22,060
The Pates.
1638
01:28:22,060 --> 01:28:23,060
The Pates.
1639
01:28:23,060 --> 01:28:24,060
I don't know.
1640
01:28:24,060 --> 01:28:25,060
The Pates.
1641
01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:26,820
I've heard people call Patreon the Pates.
1642
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:27,820
You know what?
1643
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:28,820
It's a thing.
1644
01:28:28,820 --> 01:28:29,820
Okay.
1645
01:28:29,820 --> 01:28:30,820
You know what?
1646
01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:34,260
I was thinking the other day of like what's a cool like word for Patreon that's like not taken.
1647
01:28:34,260 --> 01:28:35,260
Yeah.
1648
01:28:35,260 --> 01:28:39,620
I don't know why I was just like randomly cleaning and just like thinking about you guys.
1649
01:28:39,620 --> 01:28:43,140
I'm like how cool you are and you deserve a cool name.
1650
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:44,700
So I don't know.
1651
01:28:44,700 --> 01:28:45,700
I didn't know.
1652
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:46,700
I didn't know.
1653
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:47,700
Like it came up with nothing.
1654
01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:48,700
But I hear what was shit.
1655
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:49,700
I was shivering about you.
1656
01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:50,700
I was like, what?
1657
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:51,700
The thought count.
1658
01:28:51,700 --> 01:28:57,740
It's the best of intentions like for a real though.
1659
01:28:57,740 --> 01:29:03,600
Like we can call them like, I didn't really have anything in mind.
1660
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,100
She's like, I got nothing.
1661
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:09,780
I was like, even if I start to say something will come to happen.
1662
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:10,780
So what's that happen?
1663
01:29:10,780 --> 01:29:11,780
Yeah.
1664
01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:15,720
I mean sometimes it works that way and then sometimes it really, really don't.
1665
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:16,720
Yeah.
1666
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,660
I love it.
1667
01:29:20,660 --> 01:29:25,680
We've had some pretty good luck coming across like fun nicknames for different things.
1668
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,680
And yeah.
1669
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,920
I'm sure we'll come up with something.
1670
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:34,440
For now you're just our creepypay trail people and that's you know, your CPP that's fine.
1671
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:35,440
CPP.
1672
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:36,440
CPP.
1673
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:37,440
I'm dead.
1674
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:38,440
We have to go.
1675
01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:39,440
All right.
1676
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:40,440
Look at that.
1677
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:41,440
I'm just I'm going to take the time.
1678
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:48,440
I'm dead.
1679
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:51,440
We have to go.
1680
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:52,440
All right.
1681
01:29:52,440 --> 01:29:53,440
I'm just I'm going to devolve into giggles.
1682
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:54,440
They won't be like, they're not camera ready.
1683
01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:55,440
Okay.
1684
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:57,440
Let's say that we think that we think that we think.
1685
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:03,440
Let's let's do our thing that we think she's really on a thing right now.
1686
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:04,440
Have a creepy ass day
1687
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:10,440
See you next Tuesday or whenever you go to tubing.
1688
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:16,720
I was going to say like unless you like missed your stop on the inner tube and you just like
1689
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:21,720
have floating out into the ocean, the ocean, your one bag of money because you lost the
1690
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,220
other.
1691
01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:28,160
And then you just live amongst the fishes and you turn into a merman.
1692
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:32,560
I don't know like maybe you do just like stop off when you hit the sand wands.
1693
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:33,560
I don't know.
1694
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,560
Where's that?
1695
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:39,160
It's like the the sand one islands are in the future sound.
1696
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,160
Can you be a mermaid there?
1697
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,160
I mean, yeah, you can do whatever you want.
1698
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:44,160
Okay.
1699
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,720
I really think that if you just keep going on the inner tube and make it to the ocean because
1700
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,640
all cricks lead to the ocean and then you turn into a merman and live with all your
1701
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,480
monies under the sea under the sea.
1702
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:01,480
And then your areals down.
1703
01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:04,640
That's how that origin story happened.
1704
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:11,080
Okay, so DB tuber and King Triton one in the same.
1705
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:12,080
Yes.
1706
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,080
Okay, you heard it your first.
1707
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:17,120
Good DB tuber is King Triton.
1708
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,160
If that isn't a little Easter egg, I don't know what else.
1709
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:21,680
I don't even try.
1710
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:22,680
I know.
1711
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,120
I was like she just got it on the brain.
1712
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,120
Okay.
1713
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:28,120
Bye.
1714
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:29,120
Bye.
1715
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:39,120
I don't know.
1716
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,120
I feel like I really just need to see the song screen to understand.
1717
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:43,120
I know.
1718
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,120
I really do.
1719
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:48,600
I need a visual representation of this nonsense.
1720
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,600
Who should direct it?
1721
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,600
I don't know directors.
1722
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:53,600
I don't know.
1723
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:54,600
What's the big one?
1724
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:55,600
Not good.
1725
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,600
I don't know.
1726
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:57,600
M. Night?
1727
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,440
No, no. Quentin Tarantino?
1728
01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:02,400
I feel like those two maybe not.
1729
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:03,400
Okay.
1730
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,200
Who's the guy that did Nightmare before Christmas?
1731
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:07,200
Tim Burton.
1732
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:08,200
Tim Burton.
1733
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:09,200
He wrote it.
1734
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:10,200
I don't know.
1735
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,800
I mean, I don't know.
1736
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,600
I got a whimsical.
1737
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:15,600
Yeah, it would.
1738
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,440
Well, it's pretty whimsical all in its own. (pnwhauntsandhomicides.com) (hauntsandhomicidespod.com)
