Clairvoyant Tarot-reader Cons Timber Tycoon

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,120 Her name is Rachel Lee. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:12,040 She's a woman in her mid-30s who's about to irrevocably change the life of Ralph 3 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:14,880 Raines Jr. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:24,080 This is the twisted story of not just a singular woman but nearly a whole famed amily that 5 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:39,120 participated in the fraud of a forestry tycoon. 6 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Hi Cassie. 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Hi Caitlyn. 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Hi creepy people. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,120 Hello! 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,920 I was waiting to see if you were going to do it. 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,880 Always waving at the blank computer screen in front of me. 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,280 Yeah, yeah, as one does. 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Sorry, it's not even bubbles. 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,880 Slow down. 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Not even bubbles. 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Yeah. 17 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:07,640 If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:14,880 chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things witchy in the Pacific Northwest. 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Ooh, witchy. 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Yeah, sometimes creepy. 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,880 I love creepy witchy. 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,880 Do hikis. 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Alright, yeah. 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Bye, gotta do hiki for you. 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,880 Ooh. 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,000 So she said, speaking of witchy, we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 for a little deeper insight into our topic for the day. 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,640 Just to make sure you stick around. 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,320 If you're into that witchy creepy type of stuff. 30 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:49,720 I feel like today, if you've never listened to the terror reading before, first of all, 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,800 shame on you, but it's not too late, start making things right. 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Yeah. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Let's just say the vibe will be there. 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,080 It'll be witchy today. 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Totally. 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Bitchin. 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Witchin, bitchin, bitchin, witchin. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Witchin and bitchin. 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,800 Do we have any announcements? 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,400 You know, it's funny, you should say that because yes, yes we do. 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Oh, it's like I knew beforehand. 42 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Yeah. 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:25,640 I'm not even sure that this is really so much an announcement as it is just something, 44 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,640 just a little bit of a shout out. 45 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:28,640 Ooh. 46 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:29,640 Yeah. 47 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:30,640 I like shout outs. 48 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:31,640 I do as well. 49 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:36,640 We were featured by blog.feedspot.com. 50 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,640 Us? 51 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:38,640 We were. 52 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:39,640 Ooh. 53 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:40,640 Yes. 54 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:47,680 On their list of 15 best Pacific Northwest Stories Podcasts. 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,800 So we're number two. 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:51,800 Ah. 57 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,800 Yeah. 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,000 Number two is first loser. 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 And I'm just kidding. 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Just kidding. 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 That's so cool. 62 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Yeah. 63 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,880 So we're excited. 64 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,560 Our good friends, what happens in the woods are also on the list. 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,560 What up? 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,560 What happens? 67 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,560 What up? 68 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,560 In the woods? 69 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,840 It didn't finish it. 70 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:18,080 We'll put it in the show notes so that you guys realize that this humble brag is not only 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,480 humble, but it's real. 72 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Yeah. 73 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:23,480 It is real. 74 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,880 We didn't make this up ourselves. 75 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:25,880 Yeah. 76 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Thank you, Feedspot. 77 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,040 Yes. 78 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,400 It sounds like a place I want to go eat a buffet. 79 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,400 The Feedspot. 80 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Oh no. 81 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,360 Now I'm just picturing a troll. 82 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,360 Me too. 83 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,120 I had, well, obviously, because we were talking about feed, but I was picturing a bunch of people 84 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,120 out of trough. 85 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Just like, yeah. 86 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Get in it. 87 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,120 Hmm. 88 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,120 Okay. 89 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:57,360 So I actually heard about this case probably about a week before Cassie also sent it to me. 90 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,160 I was getting my nails dead. 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,840 My little titsy. 92 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:10,520 And someone that I met at this one actually recommended this and actually a couple of other 93 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,520 cases. 94 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Ooh. 95 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,520 Yeah. 96 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:20,360 So when Cassie texted me one night and I happened to be working on my notes, that's so 97 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,360 fucking weird. 98 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,080 It's really weird. 99 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,880 It's really weird. 100 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Yeah. 101 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,240 I was like, that's so funny. 102 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,400 I may or may not be working on this, but also I totally am. 103 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Yeah, because I was, I watch American greed a lot to go to sleep because it's just like the 104 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:43,800 guy's voice is like kind of monotone and it's soothing. 105 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:49,840 So I, and I heard like two key words and I was like, immediately turned it off because I 106 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:53,840 don't want to know anything about it because I want to hear it from Caitlyn. 107 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,600 I texted her immediately. 108 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,600 Cover this. 109 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Did I even tell you like what it was about or did I say, hey, it's this thing and this 110 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,080 thing? 111 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Have you? 112 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,200 I don't know what it's about, but look into it. 113 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Cassie said, and I quote, this just popped on an ep of American greed and I heard Oregon 114 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,560 and tarot and I'm turning it off because I want you to cover it. 115 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,480 You might have heard of it, but I don't think I have and I want to hear it from your glorious 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,320 mouth hole. 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,240 LOL, that was awkward, but I'm not taking it back. 118 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,240 I'm funny. 119 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,440 And there were a series of emojis. 120 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,480 And do you want to know what I said in reply? 121 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,480 Yes. 122 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,480 Okay. 123 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,880 Oh my god. 124 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Wait. 125 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Bitch. 126 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Yes. 127 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,160 I'm already covering it. 128 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,640 I haven't gotten like super into it so far. 129 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Like super into it. 130 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:07,400 But I found a court doc literally today and was like, this is definitely getting covered. 131 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,720 LOL, no joke. 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,120 Two day all caps. 133 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,120 No cap. 134 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,120 No cap. 135 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,920 And you said, yes. 136 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:25,600 That's my reply to a lot of things. 137 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,720 You said what? 138 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,600 That's crazy. 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,360 I don't watch the actual TV channels very often. 140 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,360 That's so weird. 141 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,360 Oh my god. 142 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,520 I can't wait to hear it. 143 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,520 What time? 144 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,520 Can I ask what time this was real quick? 145 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,520 In my town. 146 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,520 I might miss here. 147 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,000 I might be miss remembering. 148 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,080 605 pm is the last time stamp that I can see. 149 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Okay. 150 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Because that's what it was then. 151 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Because I usually watch it to go to sleep. 152 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,200 So I'm not actually watching it. 153 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,800 I turned it on and I was like, oh, American Greed sounds good right now. 154 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,880 So it was like totally random. 155 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:01,880 Yeah. 156 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,320 Interesting. 157 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:10,520 And there was a bit more back and forth, but it's important to note that there is evidence 158 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:18,980 for forensic evidence that I received this hot tip from not just Cassie, but this last 159 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:20,800 text that I'll read. 160 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,320 My pedicure friend that I don't think I had time to tell you about last Saturday actually 161 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,560 told me about it. 162 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,920 I friended her on LinkedIn. 163 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Creep. 164 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,360 What you did tell me about her. 165 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,960 You were really excited. 166 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:43,600 I said like a weird loser weirdo lol. 167 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,880 And I don't take that back either. 168 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Right. 169 00:07:51,880 --> 00:08:00,720 The rain's family tree farm in Gaston is about an hour west from the comparative hustle 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,200 and bustle of the city of Portland. 171 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,920 I know where that is. 172 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Yeah. 173 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,920 It's an organ. 174 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,920 Yeah. 175 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,440 One of our keywords. 176 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,960 I know someone from Gaston. 177 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,960 You do. 178 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,960 I do. 179 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,960 Hi, Tonya. 180 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Is her last name, Raines? 181 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,960 No, it's not. 182 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:18,960 No, I'm just kidding. 183 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:19,960 It's not. 184 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:28,720 It's where the patriarch of the Raines family along with his son planted over a million trees. 185 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,200 That sounds good. 186 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Yeah. 187 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,200 We like trees. 188 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Yeah. 189 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,760 At least by junior's own estimation. 190 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,880 So it's kind of a round number. 191 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,840 Is it like that thing where you like you do something for so long? 192 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,080 You're like, oh, I planted like a million. 193 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Yeah. 194 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,680 It's a rough estimate. 195 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:59,560 It occupies land purchased in the 1950s by Ralph Jr.'s father, Ralph Sr.'s father, Waldo, 196 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:06,360 was already established in the logging industry in Washington County dating back to 1915. 197 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Wow. 198 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Where is he? 199 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Huh? 200 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Oh, my God. 201 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,640 I thought you forgot already where this story takes place. 202 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:22,040 And I was like, you where is Waldo? 203 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Four facts. 204 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:24,560 Sick. 205 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:25,560 Okay. 206 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:26,560 That jokes. 207 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:27,560 Oh, boy. 208 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:28,560 Yeah. 209 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:29,560 Yeah. 210 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:35,960 And boy, did Ralph Sr. have some stories to share from back in the day? 211 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,880 If you're a member of the Patreon, don't go digging through our sources on Pastebin. 212 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:49,480 I want you to see Cassie's face when I read her a story from one transcript in particular. 213 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Oh. 214 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Patreon bonus video. 215 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,040 Oh, yeah. 216 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Nice. 217 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:03,520 Far from your typical tycoon, Ralph Sr. was a decorated World War II pilot and graduate 218 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,640 of Oregon State University married shortly after the war was over. 219 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:17,680 The couple would go on to have a single child, a son in whom Ralph instilled not just the 220 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:25,120 monetary value of the land and the trees on their property, but also that of hard work 221 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:31,640 in maintaining the beauty of the natural environment by creating a sustainable forest 222 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:32,640 operation. 223 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,960 Well, that sounds like really, really good. 224 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,960 I know. 225 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,960 We stand the Ralphs. 226 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,960 Yes. 227 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,960 Sr. 228 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:40,960 And Jr. 229 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Jr. 230 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:42,960 And Sr. 231 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,960 All of them. 232 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:44,960 All of them, I think. 233 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,960 I don't know. 234 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,960 I don't know. 235 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,760 I don't know that we want to be making blanket statements like that. 236 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,320 That seems ill advised, given the nature of what we do. 237 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:02,560 For most of his life, that same son, Ralph Jr. worked on the family's 1200 acre. 238 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,200 A tree farm in Gaston. 239 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,800 That's a lot of acreage. 240 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Cheers. 241 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:14,120 He too was a veteran of the Vietnam War and those that know him well would describe him 242 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,040 as both intelligent and immensely kind. 243 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,360 I know. 244 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,360 I know. 245 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,360 I know. 246 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:31,160 It seemed that both men, Ralph Jr. and Sr. remained humble and decidedly unencumbered when 247 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:38,760 it came to the material things in life, despite what would eventually become very impressive 248 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,760 wealth. 249 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:40,760 Ooh. 250 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Yeah. 251 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,760 All them trees. 252 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,400 All them trees. 253 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Though as a naive and sometimes socially awkward man, they would later reflect that Ralph Jr.'s 254 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:59,880 disposition was in many ways very different from that of his hard-nosed father, Ralph Sr. 255 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Hard-nosed. 256 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:01,880 I know. 257 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,880 What is that man? 258 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,200 Vocab word of the week. 259 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Sadly, Ralph Sr.'s wife and Ralph Jr.'s mother, because that's how that works. 260 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,200 Helen died in 2001. 261 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,200 Helen. 262 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Helen. 263 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Even though she passed long before the bulk of our story takes place, you know, yet girl 264 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:31,600 did some digging and found her name because nobody fucking used it in anything. 265 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Oh, yeah. 266 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,880 There's just like, remember that bitch he married? 267 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Oh my God. 268 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Did they really? 269 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:38,880 Remember that broad? 270 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,880 He married. 271 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Oh, Helen. 272 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:46,840 You know, the woman who fed him, clothed him, both of these men. 273 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,200 Women are often undercredited. 274 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Is that what am I trying to say? 275 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,360 Unacknowledged. 276 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,360 Unacknowledged. 277 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,880 I'm undercredited, that's everything. 278 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,600 I legit thought I might have to subscribe to ancestry. 279 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:08,000 Just, you know, there for a minute to find it because it turns out there's a ton of 280 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,400 source material tied to what happened to Ralph. 281 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,360 And when your Ralph Jr. 282 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:21,240 It's hard to separate the stuff that's about you versus Ralph Sr. 283 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,280 But I digress. 284 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,440 Still the two men had each other. 285 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,240 And for much of their lives, they continued on as they always had. 286 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,240 Ralph Sr. 287 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Operated the Reigns tree farm, handling the financial affairs associated with their family 288 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,560 business while Ralph Jr. 289 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:46,280 primarily felt at home performing the physical labor working on the land. 290 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,280 Lumberjacking? 291 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Lumberjacking it up. 292 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,280 Yeah. 293 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,720 A lot of plaid. 294 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,280 I just love me, a lumberjack, I can't even. 295 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,280 I know. 296 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Yeah. 297 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Yeah. 298 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,360 She's going to slide off this chair. 299 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,360 You're probably wondering where things started to go off course. 300 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Yeah, I've been wondering the whole time. 301 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,960 Okay. 302 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Good. 303 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Good. 304 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,360 That tracks were right on schedule. 305 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Okay. 306 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:21,280 And I'm here to tell you while it pains me to do so that it was his interest, Ralph Jr. 307 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:27,520 It's his interest in something I think that we all know and love that introduced him to 308 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,520 the individual that would lead. 309 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,520 Ralph Jr. 310 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Is Ray? 311 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,520 No. 312 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,520 No. 313 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:44,480 While Ralph Jr. was seemingly about as salt of the earth as they come, he also had an interest 314 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:51,080 in what some might classify as the paranormal or even the occult realm. 315 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,520 If you're nasty, I love it. 316 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Yeah. 317 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,520 She's nasty. 318 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,520 I am. 319 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:05,720 In 2004, at age 57, he decided to entertain his curiosity, if only briefly. 320 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:13,400 When he visited a psychic shop while on a trip to Bend in Southern Oregon, I've ever heard 321 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,560 of a, a, a bend or a psychic shop. 322 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Yeah. 323 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Uh-huh. 324 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,560 Both. 325 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Okay. 326 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Spoiler alert. 327 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,720 This woman. 328 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Kwa man. 329 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Kwa man. 330 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,120 She is not a psychic. 331 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,120 Pitch. 332 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,120 I know. 333 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,200 But she certainly has a solid nose for a con. 334 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Hmm. 335 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,640 I mean, maybe that is her psychicness. 336 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:41,640 That's her. 337 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,840 That's how her third eye presents. 338 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,840 No. 339 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Okay. 340 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:56,480 The psychic, he shared one of his deepest desires, to settle down and perhaps have a family 341 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:03,800 of his own, which feels like sort of a, part of that sort of a misnomer because Ralph is 342 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,880 about as settled down as a person can get. 343 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,080 If he settles down anymore, they're going to have to check his pulse. 344 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Oh. 345 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 He's a pretty calm, super nice guy. 346 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040 So, but the family part. 347 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,040 Yeah. 348 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,960 No significant other or little, little kiddos. 349 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Nope. 350 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,920 He wanted that 10 a cups card, man. 351 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Hmm. 352 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,920 It's funny. 353 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,920 You should say that. 354 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Oh, is it? 355 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Yeah. 356 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Pops up in American greed. 357 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Does it? 358 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,920 No. 359 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,920 I watched two seconds of it. 360 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,560 I, well, I thought maybe, I thought maybe you lied. 361 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,560 No. 362 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,560 No. 363 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,200 I, I'm pretty sure it pops up as like the card that's like in, 364 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,000 like the foreground when they're talking about how he wanted a family. 365 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000 Oh, I'll germinate. 366 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,400 They did their research. 367 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,240 He wanted a family and then I showed, oh, I can have to watch it after this. 368 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,400 You have to. 369 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,000 Her name is Rachel Lee. 370 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:08,400 She's a woman in her mid-30s who's about to irrevocably change the life of Ralph Reigns 371 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Jr. 372 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:19,920 This is the twisted story of not just a singular woman, but nearly a whole famed amily that 373 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,240 participated in the fraud of a forestry tycoon. 374 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:32,000 After meeting and quickly befriending Ralph Jr. and also his father Ralph Sr., who was already 375 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:40,120 in his mid-80s, Rachel Lee gained information about them and their assets. 376 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,120 What a normal thing to do. 377 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,120 This talker. 378 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,120 Yeah. 379 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,120 Did you also follow them on lengthen? 380 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,120 Fuck off. 381 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:54,760 Gradually, she gained their trust. 382 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Ralph trusted Rachel Lee implicitly, even sharing his ideal love match. 383 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:11,880 Then in his late 80s, Ralph Sr. suffered a stroke and was unable to care for himself. 384 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Much less manage his various financial and business affairs. 385 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,280 I feel like this is where it all goes awry. 386 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,120 This is where the dominoes really start to fall. 387 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:30,840 From there, it didn't take long for Rachel to become Ralph Sr.'s full-time caregiver. 388 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,440 She's a she just infiltrated. 389 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,440 Holy shit. 390 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,320 Cassie, I can see it in your eyes already. 391 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,560 You want to know what are her qualifications? 392 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,120 They're caring for the infirm or elderly. 393 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,360 I'm so glad that you asked. 394 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,360 Seriously? 395 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,960 Oh my god. 396 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,040 You see, she told Ralph Jr. that she was alone in the world. 397 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,680 Her parents had already passed, as had her husband. 398 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,260 So she had, of course, shared the story of seeing him through the difficult times as he had 399 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:08,420 battled cancer. 400 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:10,280 And that would be a sad story. 401 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Yeah. 402 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,280 If it were true. 403 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,280 I was going to say. 404 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,480 She had been the caregiver for her husband throughout his battle with cancer prior to his 405 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,240 death. 406 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:29,560 In addition to her qualifications as a caregiver, she convinced the reinsmen that she could 407 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,160 help to manage their financial and business affairs. 408 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,160 Oh shit. 409 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,560 If anyone offers to handle your finances, no. 410 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Yeah. 411 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Just no. 412 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Props that's not it. 413 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,600 You know, just they should have a degree. 414 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,600 And what's that called? 415 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,600 What's the numbers degree? 416 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Accounting. 417 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,600 Accounting. 418 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,920 You know, ideally, maybe if there is CPA, that's good. 419 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Also. 420 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,240 There's a variety of needs. 421 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Not victim blaming. 422 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:05,840 I'm saying be aware in the future if someone comes to want to handle your finances. 423 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:13,880 You know, usually people who are qualified to handle your finances, like, like you mentioned, 424 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,000 there's like a degree that they hang on their wall. 425 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,680 They might have a website. 426 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,400 There might be some references. 427 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,400 You can chat. 428 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,400 You usually come to them. 429 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,960 They don't come to you. 430 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Just like no one will sign into your DMs saying that they'll give you a tarot reading or they 431 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,800 have psychic advice for you. 432 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,800 No. 433 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Yeah. 434 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Unless it's us and then in that case, no, we will never come into your DMs to offer you 435 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,960 a psychic reading. 436 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Yeah. 437 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Yeah. 438 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,960 I don't know. 439 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,960 You ask for a tarot reading from us. 440 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,960 Yeah. 441 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Maybe we'll respond. 442 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720 But listen, we don't do that shit for free though. 443 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,720 You got to be on Patreon. 444 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Yeah. 445 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,720 I mean, you got it. 446 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Here's the thing. 447 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,720 We are willing to trade you a tarot reading for a story. 448 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,720 Oh, God. 449 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,720 Oh, yeah. 450 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,720 Yeah. 451 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:13,680 Obviously Ralph Senior can't be responsible for any of that stuff anymore in his ill hell. 452 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 You know, he's not running numbers. 453 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,320 He's not filing important filings. 454 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,320 No. 455 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,320 I hope not. 456 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:29,680 And Ralph Junior is more of the, you know, live enough and working on the land. 457 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,680 Kind of a guy. 458 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,680 Yeah. 459 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:38,720 You know, around the same time, Rachel Lee moved into the Reigns family home in Gaston 460 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Oregon. 461 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,720 Damn. 462 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,720 Yeah. 463 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,520 So that escalated quickly, right? 464 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Yeah. 465 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Okay. 466 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,560 So she's already got her claws in pretty deep. 467 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,560 Yep. 468 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,560 Yeah. 469 00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:19,120 So they already had financial advisors. 470 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,120 Yep. 471 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:21,120 Sure did. 472 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,120 Okay. 473 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,560 For tax and accounting purposes, he had a representation. 474 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Okay. 475 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Yeah. 476 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,360 So you're having about the reaction that I feel like is appropriate. 477 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,360 All right. 478 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:31,360 Yeah. 479 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:39,760 Though as his health increasingly deteriorated in the period shortly after his stroke, the firm 480 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:49,000 hired to represent him communicated increasingly with Rachel as well as other members 481 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,000 of the Lee family. 482 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Hmm. 483 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:01,400 Eventually, all manner of instruction regarding the estate was conducted exclusively by them. 484 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,000 The Lee family. 485 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,640 Did they get power of attorney? 486 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,160 Like how are they doing this? 487 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,680 A very good question, Cassie. 488 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,680 And you know what? 489 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,680 I'm going to answer it. 490 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,680 Okay. 491 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,080 I'm not sure if I'm about to right now or if that comes later. 492 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Okay. 493 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,360 Just, you know, hold on to your butt. 494 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:21,360 Hmm. 495 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,360 Stuff. 496 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,360 That. 497 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,360 That. 498 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:33,520 Only a couple of years later, sometime in roughly 2006, according to court documents, Rachel 499 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,360 was prepared to test her newfound power. 500 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:43,120 When she convinced Ralph Jr. to purchase a home in Northwest Portland, that would later 501 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,080 be known as the Birken Dean home. 502 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,080 Who? 503 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080 Yeah. 504 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Do you want to guess how much the house cost? 505 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,040 $1.6 million. 506 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,080 Oh, actually, that's a little high. 507 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080 Oh, damn it. 508 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,880 I was thinking of today money, maybe. 509 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,880 I know. 510 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,880 2006, though. 511 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,880 Okay. 512 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,880 A million. 513 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,880 Unfortunately. 514 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,880 Okay. 515 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Listen, it's too late because we were playing by the prices right, rules. 516 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,080 Eight. 517 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080 And you got to get close without going over. 518 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,080 Eight fifty. 519 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,280 For just shy of $1 million. 520 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:25,560 Rachel would eventually move the ailing Ralph Sr. from his longtime residence in Gaston 521 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:32,280 to this home as his days on this earth continue to dwindle. 522 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Oh, because I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to be in his own home. 523 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,760 Yeah. 524 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,760 No. 525 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,760 I don't think so. 526 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,760 He's like, listen, I've been here. 527 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,760 I hang out here all the time. 528 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,000 Like I'm kind of over it. 529 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,760 I need a new view, you know? 530 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,760 Yeah. 531 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,760 It's funny. 532 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,760 You should say that. 533 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,760 Yeah. 534 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,760 He is going to have a different view. 535 00:24:51,760 --> 00:25:02,680 But all of this was made possible by the durable power of attorney known as a D P O A that 536 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Ralph Sr. had executed in favor of Ralph Jr. in 1997. 537 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,600 So it's been in place for almost a decade at this point, but his son had it. 538 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,800 But now they're going to use it. 539 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600 Okay. 540 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:26,280 Since the Lee's controlled Ralph Jr. the power of attorney permitted them to control the assets 541 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,040 of Ralph Sr. via the D P O A. 542 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Oh, shit. 543 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,880 At this time there was also a sense of urgency. 544 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:43,280 And it came to executing certain transactions that might have been viewed as beneficial to 545 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,480 the Reigns family in terms of tax planning for Ralph Sr. estate. 546 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,400 But just Rachel say to herself, slow your roll. 547 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,880 You've just manipulated someone into buying a nearly million dollar home for you and your 548 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,560 family to live in. 549 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,160 Let's call it a day on the financial front. 550 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,880 I don't think those people think like that. 551 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880 Yeah. 552 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,880 And you would be correct. 553 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,640 While that alone would still be a pretty wild story, I'm not sure we'd be talking about 554 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,160 it today if that were the case. 555 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Because of course it's going to get so much worse. 556 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,600 I feel so bad for them already. 557 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,600 I know. 558 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Yeah. 559 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,600 Yep. 560 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,400 A whole million dollars essentially that they've been conned out of. 561 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,120 That's like all the trees they planted. 562 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:46,560 By 2008, the firm was consulted on quote, valuing the Raines tree farm LLC units and the potential 563 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:54,320 transfer of certain of those units from Ralph Sr. to Ralph Jr. in order to utilize Ralph 564 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Sr.'s gift tax exclusion. 565 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,120 Are you going to tell us what that is? 566 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,520 Because I have no idea. 567 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:27,160 So this is something that people who have enough money to be worried about the tax implications 568 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,360 of their estate. 569 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,760 Something that they do to basically, "Hey, I want to give you this. 570 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040 I don't want you to have to pay taxes on it though. 571 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,040 That's so stupid. 572 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,040 That's silly. 573 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Be socialist. 574 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,000 You know, I just want to give you money." 575 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720 Is that a thing? 576 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,920 Cassie, it's so a thing they've made an exclusion for it. 577 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,920 It's written into our tax. 578 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,880 How come when you win a bunch of money, then it's a gift why do you have to pay fucking 579 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,200 taxes on it? 580 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,840 That's because you're a peon and you don't have an estate. 581 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,040 According to the episode of American Greed covering the case, at the time, the Reigns 582 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:19,880 family's timber properties alone were valued at $11 million. 583 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,880 Damn! 584 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,160 We're talking 2008 dollars. 585 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,160 There was plenty of money to be made from the Raines family and Ralph's estate. 586 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:37,080 For instance, within the files kept by the firm was a record of Ralph's seniors' home 587 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,480 care expenses for 2007. 588 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Oh my God, are they outrageous? 589 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Included was a calculation or tally sheet referencing the name Rachel, presumably the 590 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,800 payee, or the person to whom the amount was owed. 591 00:28:53,800 --> 00:29:05,200 It was a staggering sum, a total of $170,000 for home care. 592 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,160 Holy shit, I'm in the wrong line of business. 593 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,640 $170,000 for home care, all told. 594 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,720 And that was for 2007. 595 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Just one year, one year. 596 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,080 Oh my God. 597 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,360 But you know what? 598 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080 I know this firsthand. 599 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,080 Okay. 600 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,280 I've had elder relatives that have lived in assisted living and memory care facilities. 601 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,720 It's quite expensive. 602 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000 So you think that's money well spent. 603 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,920 That's why they worked hard their whole lives. 604 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,760 They were humble and they saved and they did all the right things. 605 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760 Right? 606 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,760 Right. 607 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,560 Theoretically. 608 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,600 Now she's picking up and I'm putting down. 609 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:04,440 Ralph Senior reportedly lived in a bed kept in a hallway in the massive Burkendine home. 610 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,480 Even Harry Potter had a closet under the stairs at least. 611 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,240 A hallway? 612 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 He was in the hallway. 613 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Oh, he literally did not have a bedroom. 614 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840 For $170,000 a year. 615 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,400 Oh, and the fact that also it's his money that bought the home that they're all living in. 616 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Wow. 617 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Friends and family struggle to reach either of the Raines men. 618 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:42,040 In some cases, it's believed that messages were being erased unnoticed. 619 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040 I don't know who would do such a thing. 620 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,640 Yeah, who would do that? 621 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:54,200 I have never had my own personal messages erased by someone who lived in my own home. 622 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,800 The fuck? 623 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,160 Never happened to me. 624 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,480 Let's fuck up. 625 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880 Plus, allegedly. 626 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,400 According to a neighbor and friend of the Raines family from back in the gas tin area, 627 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480 Ralph Senior was often dirty. 628 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:20,160 Clearly not having been bathed recently, wearing unwashed clothes. 629 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:27,520 I'd like to think that if someone is paying nearly 15 grand a month for home care, the 630 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,640 basic hygiene might be one of the line items included in the luxurious package. 631 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640 You would think. 632 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:42,440 However, ultimately, it seemed that the Lee family and Rachel in particular had different 633 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920 priorities. 634 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,680 She sold the Birken Dean home to a third party and then stole the proceeds from the sale. 635 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,680 Sounds about right at this point. 636 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:05,480 In 2009, Ralph Jr. met Mary Marx, who purported to be an English woman in need of a green card 637 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880 to avoid deportation. 638 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,000 Oh, how did they meet? 639 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,920 Funny story. 640 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,880 I think I'm psychic. 641 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:29,480 Or you can actually just read the literal writing on what? 642 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,720 Entering the room suddenly is a tall, slender, blonde woman from Great Britain. 643 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Mary Marx. 644 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Ellot! 645 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720 Ello poppet! 646 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,400 Who also seems to have a paranormal gift? 647 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320 What more could you want in a woman? 648 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,040 She told Ralph Jr. that she lived in California and worked in accounting. 649 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Okay, another accountant. 650 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,760 All right. 651 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760 Yeah. 652 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Lots of number wizards over here. 653 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240 She proposes to him quickly. 654 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Something that she loves, the land, his family has cultivated and can help him manage the business. 655 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040 Proposes like to get married? 656 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,040 She proposed. 657 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,040 Yep. 658 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,040 Okay. 659 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040 Never trust a woman who proposed. 660 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040 No, I'm just kidding. 661 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,040 I'm just kidding. 662 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600 I was like, wow, she's going to have to take that back. 663 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,560 I don't believe in gender roles, but this is like, yeah. 664 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,920 The part that's suspicious is that it's all a ploy, right? 665 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,080 It's meant to be like, oh, this is so flattering because here's this older man and this younger 666 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,440 attractive foreign woman who fits the bill of everything he wants. 667 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,080 That never happens. 668 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,120 And she defies gender roles and she proposes to him. 669 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,120 And you know what? 670 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,800 It's not about the money. 671 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,200 She loves the land. 672 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,200 Yeah. 673 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760 She hugs trees. 674 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Okay. 675 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,760 She loves them. 676 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,640 Loves the fuck out of those trees. 677 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,480 It's offensive to me because I literally hug and love trees. 678 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560 I've seen her do it. 679 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:20,480 Despite her outward appearance, Mary Marks was not a natural blonde. 680 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,000 But perhaps more shockingly, she was also not quite a woman. 681 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Oh! 682 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 English or otherwise. 683 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Okay. 684 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520 This isn't going where you think it is. 685 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,480 You see, Mary Marks was actually Rachel's daughter, Porche. 686 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,440 Who was reportedly underage when she first met Ralph Jr. 687 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,520 Oh! 688 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,520 That's right. 689 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,920 This woman slapped an incredibly cheap looking blonde wig on her own daughter who was not 690 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,560 yet 18 and goaded her into a shame child-bride wedding scenario. 691 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880 That's so gross. 692 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040 It's pretty icky. 693 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:08,440 The most curious sources state that she was anywhere between 17 and 20, but I think in 694 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,840 more aspects than one, it can take some time for the truth to shake loose from a rotten family 695 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,320 tree. 696 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:24,600 In any case, this is a mother who literally put a wig on her daughter and goaded her into 697 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,000 a shame child-bride wedding scenario with Ralph who was in his 60s. 698 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Just to sum it up. 699 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 No. 700 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000 No. 701 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000 No all the way around. 702 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 No. 703 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000 No. 704 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,760 Porsche spoke with a fake English accent and wore glasses along with a wig. 705 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,760 Just like Harry Potter. 706 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,760 Harry Potter wore a wig? 707 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,760 What? 708 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,760 Glasses. 709 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,760 Yeah. 710 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,760 Glasses. 711 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,760 Scandal. 712 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,760 Scandal. 713 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,680 Here's perhaps the worst part. 714 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:07,240 It's all fucking terrible, but the name needed to seem legit to work how they intended within 715 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,720 the confines of this particular gift. 716 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:16,640 Mary Marks is a real name of an actual person. 717 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:23,880 They didn't have to look that hard for an alias to use though because Mary Marks is actually 718 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,400 Rachel Lee's mother. 719 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,400 Okay. 720 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,400 It's so gross. 721 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640 Just keep it in the family. 722 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Yeah. 723 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:37,280 The Lee's family staged a wedding ceremony for Ralph Jr. and the fictitious Mary Marks, 724 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,720 but the couple in truth was never married. 725 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,080 So it was a fake wedding. 726 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640 So they like actually met. 727 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:52,400 I don't know why this whole time I'm thinking it's like online because how how how how how 728 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,440 I it's there's so much to unpack here. 729 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,360 All of it is so bizarre and really gross. 730 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,520 Are you going to show us the spirit Halloween wig? 731 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520 You got to go to American greed for that. 732 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,160 I'm like, they're more worried about the the name sounding real than the wig looking real. 733 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,160 Uh huh. 734 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,160 Oh my god. 735 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,080 And it's not just a wig. 736 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920 It's like a hat with a wig attached to it. 737 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,880 It's so bad. 738 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:29,600 No marriage certificate even exists because though Ralph continued wearing his ring for a 739 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:36,400 time after being told the truth by authorities, even the marriage or perhaps especially the 740 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,720 marriage was part of the con. 741 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,160 No, he just wanted it so bad. 742 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,360 While the marriage may have been completely fake, court documents revealed that beginning 743 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,520 in 2009. 744 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:59,520 Three marks began receiving a very real paycheck from the Raines tree farm LLC supposedly for 745 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520 bookkeeping work. 746 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,000 Now there's one more thing that Ralph Jr. had always wanted from life, particularly as 747 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,800 he began to grow older and that was to have a family. 748 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,800 He's already halfway there with a beautiful English woman wife. 749 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,720 Yeah. 750 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:25,520 But very quickly after their wedding, Ralph is given what he thinks is truly fantastic news. 751 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,880 Marymarks, aka Porsche is now pregnant. 752 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,240 I don't I don't want to know. 753 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,240 You want to know. 754 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,240 Okay. 755 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:38,200 But of course, like every other aspect of this story, it's not quite what it seems because 756 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,840 this is definitely not Ralph's biological child. 757 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:49,120 They trick him into thinking he has fathered a child through in vitro fertilization. 758 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,320 Oh, thank God. 759 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,320 Yeah. 760 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,320 He's like, please, no. 761 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,320 Yeah. 762 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,320 No, no. 763 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,320 No, no. 764 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,320 And his patient. 765 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,320 Yeah. 766 00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,320 Oh. 767 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:09,120 Apparently, though it wasn't Ralph's baby, the pregnancy had been real. 768 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,680 But the baby was taken by the father shortly after birth, which is probably the best thing 769 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960 that could have ever happened to that kid. 770 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,760 Seriously, wow. 771 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:28,800 Luckily, another one of Rachel's daughters also gave birth around the same time. 772 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,800 Which is great. 773 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:37,200 But it's not great news because Rachel is psyched to be a grandma. 774 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,080 But because now she has an infant that she can borrow to use as a stand-in. 775 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,840 This baby is then introduced as Ralph's son, Georgio Armani. 776 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,320 But that's his name. 777 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880 Is that his real name or is that the name she made up? 778 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,040 I think that's his real name. 779 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,080 Georgio Armani? 780 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000 That's already taken. 781 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000 There can only be one. 782 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960 We can't dwell here, OK? 783 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,240 Because there's so much more. 784 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,920 According to additional court documents, copies of the general ledger and profit and loss 785 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:26,360 statement for the Ralph Raines senior household provided to the firm to account for 2009 showed 786 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,880 how rampant the financial abuse had become. 787 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,440 The P&L statement, so profit and loss, if you're nice, stay. 788 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,120 Which is my favorite phrase. 789 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,120 I can tell. 790 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120 Yeah. 791 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:48,360 The P&L statement shows that approximately $1.2 million was deposited into an account to 792 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,720 be used for Ralph seniors' household expenses in 2010. 793 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,360 Damn, I need some household expenses like that. 794 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,360 Right. 795 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,880 Said funds were made available after the lease liquidated investments in Ralph seniors 796 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:12,520 UBS account, which UBS is a place where a lot of people have like retirement and other 797 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,720 investment accounts. 798 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,000 Oh, not where your son packages. 799 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000 No, OK. 800 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,720 UB is the ball best. 801 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:30,760 By the end of that calendar year, only $200,000 of the $1.2 million originally deposited remained. 802 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,440 I know I was going to need the UBS second to. 803 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,040 Can you spend $1 million? 804 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,040 How? 805 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400 It's a really good question. 806 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,040 Like did they actually spend on stuff or did they? 807 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,040 Oh, they spent it on stuff. 808 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640 They didn't hide it in like off-shore accounts. 809 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,240 Oh, no, they spent it on stuff. 810 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:50,240 Oh my god. 811 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,640 Cassie, we are going to get to the stuff. 812 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,640 Oh my god. 813 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,640 OK. 814 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,760 I hope they bought a lot of really cool tarot decks. 815 00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,760 That's all I'm going to say. 816 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,400 I don't think so. 817 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,640 Approximately $375,000 was used to pay taxes. 818 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,640 Responsible. 819 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,640 Oh, that's good. 820 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,600 OK, no tax fraud here. 821 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:18,680 Which were only incurred in large part due to the significant capital gains incurred as 822 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,240 the result of the lease liquidation of investments. 823 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,240 OK. 824 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,640 So they took the money out and then it was taxed. 825 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120 So, cause and effect. 826 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,160 So it wasn't the gifted kind of money. 827 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,160 OK. 828 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,960 It was just shy of half of the total that was documented to have specifically supported 829 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,480 the lavish lifestyle. 830 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,240 The Lee family was rapidly becoming accustomed to. 831 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,280 Entries in the ledger included payment for things like salon visits, luxury cars, and 832 00:42:52,280 --> 00:43:01,720 even a personal designer, all of which legal filings indicated were and I quote, "completely 833 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:09,480 inconsistent with the expenses of an incapacitated man needing a full-time caregiver." 834 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:16,160 Yeah, which I can say I wholeheartedly agree is correct. 835 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,760 Like yeah, no, duh, you think? 836 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,800 Yeah, he doesn't need an interior designer. 837 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,800 I love, not really. 838 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,640 Or trips to the salon. 839 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,640 He really needs a bath. 840 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,080 Oh, it's so sad. 841 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,320 This next part won't make you feel better then. 842 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,960 Then in February of 2011 Ralph Senior died at 91 years old. 843 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,920 But Junior's wife isn't present at the funeral. 844 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920 Where is she? 845 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,920 Good question. 846 00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:02,120 Once later Ralph Junior has his wife and his sons' names added to his parents' gravestones. 847 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,120 No. 848 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,400 Oh no. 849 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,440 A key element of the Lee's fraudulent scheme moving forward from this time was to tell 850 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,880 Ralph Junior that he had to sell the reigns tree farm in order to pay taxes. 851 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040 Make many other statements made by the Lee family. 852 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,240 Survey says that was a lie. 853 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,400 That doesn't sound right at all. 854 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,400 No. 855 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,960 In addition to lying about their being outstanding taxes from the probate process, Mary 856 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,760 Marks fakes a second in vitro pregnancy. 857 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960 Jesus woman. 858 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:57,240 Their further motivate Ralph to create more liquid cash in roughly 2011 according to American 859 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,240 greed. 860 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:08,040 He believed this second pregnancy would be a daughter and hoped to name her Gloria. 861 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:17,480 But months later, Mary fakes a miscarriage before flying home to England and faking her death. 862 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,880 This bitch is so fucked. 863 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,600 Faking things that real people actually go through. 864 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,600 Yes. 865 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600 Including in vitro, which isn't fucking easy. 866 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,400 No. 867 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:39,920 So fake, Georgio, our money is now a fake orphan. 868 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,080 Where does he think the kid went? 869 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,920 Kid didn't go anywhere. 870 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,040 Like, oh, so the kid is still with him. 871 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,360 Georgio is okay. 872 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:57,480 The Lee's were able to keep Ralph Jr. from receiving the correct information because they 873 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,880 controlled all contact with the firm at this stage. 874 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,480 I mean, they already had for quite some time. 875 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,480 Yeah. 876 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,480 Of course. 877 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,320 So, it's not difficult to see how the Lee's were able to orchestrate the sale of the reigns 878 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960 tree farm. 879 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,520 Which was contrary to Ralph Jr.'s plan to continue farming for many years in a series of sales 880 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:30,240 in 2011 and 2012 for over $12 million. 881 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:38,000 And steal the bulk of the proceeds just as had been done with the Burk and Dean home. 882 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:44,040 Record show that by mid 2011, the firm had been informed by Rachel Lee that she was in the 883 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:51,040 process of attempting to sell the pumpkin Ridge tract of the reigns tree farm. 884 00:46:51,040 --> 00:47:00,560 The pumpkin Ridge tract was sold on July 27, 2011 for just over a million dollars. 885 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,480 The mills going around holy shit. 886 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:13,120 The Gales Creek tract was sold on September 23, 2011 for just shy of 1.5 million. 887 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,320 While Lee's thereafter began to drain the accounts of the proceeds of these sales. 888 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,320 Naturally. 889 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,320 Yeah. 890 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,320 Yeah. 891 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,320 As one does. 892 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,320 Holy shit. 893 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,720 I feel so bad for this guy. 894 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,720 And he thinks he just lost his wife. 895 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,720 And his baby. 896 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:30,720 Yeah. 897 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:36,160 And he's in more like deep morning, I'm sure. 898 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:43,040 When the firm was provided an inventory of estate assets, the inventory showed that the 899 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,000 only remaining worthy. 900 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,560 And this is prior to the sale of the Burk and Dean property. 901 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,880 Obviously. 902 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880 Number one, the Burk and Dean property. 903 00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:01,000 Number two, Ralph seniors interest in the Raines tree farm LLC. 904 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,920 Number three, approximately $115,000 from the UBS account. 905 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:13,560 Number four, cash and miscellaneous items worth around $2,000. 906 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:20,400 Along with the estate inventory, the firm was provided a copy of the February 2011 907 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,320 statement for Ralph seniors UBS account. 908 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:32,560 Which contained what court documents describe as a graphic depiction of the depletion of 909 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,840 the account. 910 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:49,320 From a value of over $7 million in 2006 down to $115,000 at the time of Ralph senior's death. 911 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:56,400 The firm reportedly did nothing to express concern about the massive depletion in assets 912 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:03,640 or inquire how it was possible for a very wealthy man, such as Ralph senior, to die without 913 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:11,840 significant additional cash, investment accounts, and other property, and to have dissipated the 914 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,160 liquid assets that should have been available to pay estate taxes. 915 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,160 Wow. 916 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,600 Yeah, I feel like this firm handles a lot of people's finances, right? 917 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,800 Like, they should know what's normal and what's not normal. 918 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,760 There's a lot of red flags. 919 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,760 Yeah. 920 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,760 A lot. 921 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:38,680 Instead, the firm simply proceeded to pair the tax. 922 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:45,240 They just prepared the tax return as if this was business as usual and continued to communicate 923 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,640 with Rachel Lee. 924 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,600 Like, do they--are they allowed to say anything, you know? 925 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,320 Oh, absolutely. 926 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,320 They're financial advisors. 927 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,720 They say the tax preparers. 928 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,480 I mean, this is--that is literally their job. 929 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,400 Wow. 930 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,460 All of the aforementioned is completely at odds with the fact that the same firm had been 931 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:16,080 consulted for a number of years regarding the Reigns family's intent to maximize the 932 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,000 natural resource credit for the estate. 933 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:27,680 And they even revisited this issue in connection with the preparation of the estate tax returns. 934 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,340 The firm was fully aware that the sale of the tree farm parcels was at odds with the Raines 935 00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:39,800 family's long-time plan to maximize the natural resource credit. 936 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,960 And in fact, the sales had the effect of decreasing the credit to which the estate was entitled. 937 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,840 So we're going against long-standing plans. 938 00:50:50,840 --> 00:51:00,760 We're talking about plans intended for a--for generational wealth, generational assets that 939 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:07,120 aren't necessarily strictly speaking cold-hard cash, but unreal. 940 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,080 Wow. 941 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:16,060 Further, in connection with analyzing issues related to estate taxes, the firm was aware of Ralph 942 00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:22,120 Jr.'s plan to continue tree farming for many years, given the recently in sales and those 943 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,880 that would be transacted within just months, surely this should have been of concern. 944 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:29,880 Yeah. 945 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,340 He was only in his 60s, right? 946 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:37,420 Like he--any worked physically his whole life, so I'm sure he had in shape. 947 00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:39,620 He could still do that for a product. 948 00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:40,620 Right. 949 00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:43,380 Even if he's not physically doing it? 950 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:44,380 Yeah. 951 00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:47,060 And the firm could still be maintained by others. 952 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,060 Because it wasn't just him. 953 00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,060 I'm just--yeah. 954 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,660 He's just out there shopping down trees. 955 00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:51,660 No, that's right. 956 00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:52,900 I probably had a ton of employees. 957 00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:57,460 Out there lumberjacken, solar, holy shit, and all those people affected. 958 00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:59,500 Oh my god. 959 00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:06,900 In January 2012, the wholesale theft continued as the lease orchestrated the sale of a portion 960 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:12,220 of the cherry grove tract of the tree farm for just over a million dollars. 961 00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:16,540 And therefore began to drain the accounts of these funds as well. 962 00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:21,660 They're just finding all the little places to take. 963 00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:22,660 Yeah. 964 00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:25,540 Well, every little crumb, million dollar crumbs. 965 00:52:25,540 --> 00:52:26,540 Mm-hmm. 966 00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:28,540 Yeah, million dollar crumbs. 967 00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:34,380 Just two months later, in March of 2012, the firm received a copy of the general ledger 968 00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:39,780 for the Raines Senior Household 4 2011. 969 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:45,540 Despite the fact that Ralph Senior had died in February, the ledger shows that the excessive 970 00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:52,700 spending of his assets continued regardless of his having passed. 971 00:52:52,700 --> 00:53:01,340 Of the approximately 16 pages of entries of expenditures for Ralph Senior's household, 972 00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:08,900 roughly 14 of the pages show expenditures incurred purportedly by his household after his 973 00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:09,900 death. 974 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,140 Is his ghost needing shit? 975 00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:15,500 Like, how do you explain that? 976 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:19,180 Like as a ghost, I would get my nails did. 977 00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:20,380 Yeah. 978 00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:27,140 These were for things that I can guarantee you were not the expenses of a 91 year old man 979 00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:29,740 or his grieving family. 980 00:53:29,740 --> 00:53:35,020 In July 2012, Ralph Junior turned 65. 981 00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:41,980 So in July of 2012, the lease orchestrated the sale of substantially all of the remaining 982 00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:46,980 tree farm for just shy of nine million dollars. 983 00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:53,540 And therefore began draining the accounts of proceeds of that sale as well. 984 00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:59,020 The following month, the firm was aware of all of the tree farm sales and as a result, 985 00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:07,020 repaired additional estate tax returns showing additional taxes owed as a result of the sales 986 00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:14,420 because they didn't maximize the natural resource credits so then they owed money. 987 00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:22,300 So when they did the thing that flew in the face of the estate's long term plan for the 988 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:28,980 farm and they sold parcels, it didn't work out. 989 00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:35,140 In or around August of 2012 is when Rachel Lee actually orchestrated the sale of the Burk 990 00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:36,140 and Dean home. 991 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:39,460 I know we've talked about this quite a bit at this point. 992 00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:46,020 Rachel Lee signed the transaction documents purportedly as the "interny" in fact, that's 993 00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:49,180 that whole power of attorney thing. 994 00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:58,100 I wasn't going to leave this in, but it grabbed my attention. 995 00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:06,700 The firm received a copy of an escrow instruction letter and they had to attach a voided check. 996 00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:13,040 And that check was for the account where they were supposed to be depositing the money 997 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,780 from that sale. 998 00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,780 So it's a voided check. 999 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:19,380 It was a Hello Kitty check. 1000 00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:21,420 No way. 1001 00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,020 Really? 1002 00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:28,340 This bitch ruined everything. 1003 00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:29,740 Even Hello Kitty. 1004 00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:30,740 Wow. 1005 00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:35,020 I should have brought my little Hello Kitty keychain. 1006 00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:37,180 I didn't know. 1007 00:55:37,180 --> 00:55:42,060 I didn't remember. 1008 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:46,940 I was just at my storage the other day and I saw it and I almost grabbed it. 1009 00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:48,740 It's my Hello Kitty man. 1010 00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:50,380 I was like, I don't need that right now. 1011 00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:51,380 I did. 1012 00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:54,060 I'm it. 1013 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:55,060 Wow. 1014 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,060 That's crazy. 1015 00:55:56,060 --> 00:56:00,220 Also, I don't want checks, but now I kind of do. 1016 00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:01,220 Yeah. 1017 00:56:01,220 --> 00:56:02,220 Yeah. 1018 00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:09,220 Now that you know that you can have Hello Kitty checks, she's like, I need a checkbook. 1019 00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:10,220 Adulting, right? 1020 00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:11,220 Yeah. 1021 00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:17,660 In November of 2012, the firm was informed that the estate was being audited. 1022 00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:18,660 Good. 1023 00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:22,180 It needed it, obviously. 1024 00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:23,180 Yeah. 1025 00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:24,180 I mean, yeah. 1026 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:26,500 Well, too late. 1027 00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:32,660 So this was well prior to their preparation of the 2012 tax returns for the estate, which 1028 00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:40,980 showed nearly $700,000 owed in taxes in connection with income from the sales of the 1029 00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:43,980 Raines tree farm. 1030 00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:48,820 Despite the fact that the lease were in the process of stealing the purported proceeds 1031 00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:51,980 from the sales, because that's kind of their thing. 1032 00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:52,980 Yeah. 1033 00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:53,980 Yeah. 1034 00:56:53,980 --> 00:57:00,180 In December of 2013, Rachel emailed the firm inquiring about the amount of inheritance 1035 00:57:00,180 --> 00:57:02,940 taxes still owed. 1036 00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:08,660 The firm emailed Rachel indicating that the amount still remaining to be paid was approximately 1037 00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:12,060 $350,000. 1038 00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:18,580 At which point, this bitch had the audacity to ask, oh, wow. 1039 00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:23,140 Did you find out if we can give them the rest of the tree farm to pay off? 1040 00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,140 Huh? 1041 00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:25,620 Let me explain. 1042 00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:35,740 In doing so, Rachel Lee was suggesting the possibility of transferring the small remaining 1043 00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:46,060 parcel of the Reigns tree farm on which Ralph Jr.'s modest home was located to pay the taxes. 1044 00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:47,060 No. 1045 00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:52,700 It's all he has left and it's where he lives. 1046 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,060 And she's just like, can you take that? 1047 00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:56,060 Just take that. 1048 00:57:56,060 --> 00:57:57,060 Come on. 1049 00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:58,060 To pay off my fraud. 1050 00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:59,060 Thank you. 1051 00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:00,060 Thank you. 1052 00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:01,060 Here's my hello. 1053 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:10,200 The firm responded to her email on the same day to say, most likely the IRS will review 1054 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,620 Jr.'s personal assets. 1055 00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:19,020 And if there are adequate liquid assets to satisfy the obligation, they will not accept 1056 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,860 non-liquid assets. 1057 00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:28,580 So as long as there was any cash remaining that could be collected, that's their preference. 1058 00:58:28,580 --> 00:58:33,540 Apparently, they don't want to just take a tree farm and then have to sell it. 1059 00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,220 That makes no fucking sense. 1060 00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:40,900 I mean, I know I think when they're desperate, they take all the assets. 1061 00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:41,900 Oh, yeah. 1062 00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,060 If that's all he has, they would take it. 1063 00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:49,740 But he still has enough money that they would try to go after that first. 1064 00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:55,980 They would try to go after other types of assets before that. 1065 00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:02,140 There's absolutely zero indication that the firm raised questions with Rachel Lee, 1066 00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:08,260 let alone Ralph Jr. as to why they would need to sell the small remaining portion of the 1067 00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:09,260 tree farm. 1068 00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:19,300 Remember, this is where his whole ass tiny house is located currently in order to pay $350,000 1069 00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:21,900 in inheritance taxes. 1070 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:31,340 And he had just sold nearly the entire family tree farm for over $12 million in cash. 1071 00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:37,180 Yeah, does she not just have that change in her car? 1072 00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:41,620 Nor did they question what happened to the UBS account that had contained as much as 1073 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:45,220 7 million in liquid assets. 1074 00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:48,220 Portland Police Detective Liz Crothers. 1075 00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:53,140 Oooo Crothers! 1076 00:59:53,140 --> 01:00:03,780 Listen, between her and another guy and the IRS, they're like, no, this shall not stand 1077 01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:05,460 good. 1078 01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:14,660 She noticed the expensive vehicles frequently parked at the Canby psychic property. 1079 01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:22,380 From which Rachel continued to run her quote, legitimate business. 1080 01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:26,140 But quickly, it becomes clear that something is up. 1081 01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:31,900 Because that's a few too many fancy cars. 1082 01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:39,140 Marlene Olson, investigator with the Oregon Department of Justice, that had also conveniently 1083 01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:46,900 worked in logging and also knows the rain's family personally. 1084 01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:47,900 Wow. 1085 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,620 Oh, she steps in. 1086 01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,620 Okay. 1087 01:00:52,620 --> 01:01:02,380 So Marlene Olson and Liz Crothers attended the same seminar in January 2014 on elder fraud 1088 01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:09,700 along with Steve Floyd, who is a detective with Canby PD. 1089 01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:10,700 Wow. 1090 01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:11,700 Thank God for that. 1091 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:12,700 Wait, what was it? 1092 01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:13,700 The seminar. 1093 01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:14,700 Yeah. 1094 01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:15,700 Oh, my gosh. 1095 01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:21,900 When Marlene went to visit the Raines family tree farm and saw the clear cutting for herself, 1096 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,700 she knew something was seriously wrong. 1097 01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:31,300 Steve Floyd subpoenaed financial records while the IRS criminal investigation division 1098 01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:34,100 also began to take a look at the books. 1099 01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:43,140 Shortly after, the Canby detectives visit Ralph Jr.'s home in March of 2014, and then the 1100 01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:48,740 Canby psychic property is also searched. 1101 01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:52,820 Seasures of Rachel Lee's assets begin. 1102 01:01:52,820 --> 01:02:04,260 They discover Rolexes, a blank signed check, and the fucking blonde hat wig. 1103 01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:12,260 You know, with all this money, the fucking blonde hat wig used to dop this poor man. 1104 01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:13,260 Oh, my God. 1105 01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:17,300 I think I'm splurred a little on something a little nicer. 1106 01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:18,900 Nope. 1107 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:20,620 And they still had it too. 1108 01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:22,260 That's, oh, God. 1109 01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:24,860 Thank you for the next old person. 1110 01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:25,860 They're going to prod. 1111 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:28,020 Who knows what they were cooking up? 1112 01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:29,740 Jesus. 1113 01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:37,580 In April of 2014, the IRS provided the firm its recommendations resulting from the audit 1114 01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:45,180 confirmed that certain penalties would be assessed and indicated that approximately $250,000 1115 01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:48,420 was still owed to the IRS. 1116 01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:57,260 By the time he's confronted with the latest evidence in May, Ralph's, he's mad. 1117 01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:58,260 He's mad. 1118 01:02:58,260 --> 01:02:59,260 Good. 1119 01:02:59,260 --> 01:03:01,500 And defending Rachel. 1120 01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:02,500 Oh, shit. 1121 01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,500 It mattered the wrong people. 1122 01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,260 No, Ralphie. 1123 01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:07,980 I know. 1124 01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:10,220 Ralphie, June. 1125 01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:12,500 He's not ready to come out the other side yet. 1126 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:20,500 Well, I mean, and if you admit that all of that happened to you, that's like, oh, my God, 1127 01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:21,700 such a mental fuck. 1128 01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:22,700 Mm-hmm. 1129 01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:25,900 Because you're like a strong man. 1130 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:26,900 Mm-hmm. 1131 01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:31,420 He doesn't realize yet. 1132 01:03:31,420 --> 01:03:37,220 Rachel Lee directed him to write letters defending her actions. 1133 01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:38,460 And he did. 1134 01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:40,620 He wrote several. 1135 01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:45,740 An American greed shared the text included. 1136 01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:49,860 In the one that they finally decided was good enough to send. 1137 01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:56,860 A short while later, Ralph is back in bend with Portia and Rachel, the place where he first 1138 01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:59,020 met Rachel. 1139 01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:04,740 At the time of this trip toward the desert, though he was completely unaware, Ralph was 1140 01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:09,460 down to just $200,000 left to his name. 1141 01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:16,100 Thankfully, the authorities were all too aware of the devious financial deeds of the Lee family 1142 01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:19,580 and moved to arrest the two women. 1143 01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:27,180 They were arrested at the shop in Bend, likely in just the nick of time, as authorities 1144 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:35,740 believe that the purpose of this trip was finally getting rid of Ralph Jr. for good. 1145 01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:36,740 No. 1146 01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:44,500 They were going to kill him allegedly, allegedly, and leave him in the desert allegedly. 1147 01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:45,500 What the fuck? 1148 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,500 Wow. 1149 01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:52,180 I mean, I'm not surprised, but still just like hearing you say it. 1150 01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,620 It's awful. 1151 01:04:54,620 --> 01:04:56,980 He wrote letters defending you. 1152 01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:57,980 He did. 1153 01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:59,980 Like... 1154 01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:04,980 The criminal indictment against the Lee's was filed approximately one month after the report 1155 01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:10,660 was put forth by the IRS on May 8, 2014. 1156 01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:14,860 It's then that the Lee's were arrested in Bend, Oregon. 1157 01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:19,400 According to court documents, at the time of their arrest, the Lee's had been keeping 1158 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:27,380 Ralph Jr. in a converted garage behind their bend psychic shop. 1159 01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:28,780 Keeping him there? 1160 01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:32,940 That might've just got really high pitch. 1161 01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:38,420 That's the appropriate response. 1162 01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:45,980 Ralph Jr. was weak and confused when the authorities located him on the property. 1163 01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:52,660 As a result of his inability to manage his own affairs, in June of 2014, the Washington 1164 01:05:52,660 --> 01:06:01,380 County Court entered a stipulated, limited judgment appointing conservator for an adult, 1165 01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:09,980 or an indefinite period of time, which that judgment appointed a conservator for Ralph 1166 01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:11,380 Jr. 1167 01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:14,980 They brit need him, but oh my god. 1168 01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:18,860 But he really needed it. 1169 01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:21,900 This is the opposite of what happened to Britney. 1170 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:27,060 This is someone who very deeply needed this assistance. 1171 01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:32,380 Yeah, by someone not them. 1172 01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:38,440 There are certain aspects of this case that this could have just been like four whole-ass 1173 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,940 episodes. 1174 01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:45,580 There's a name I'm about to drop that you're going to go, "Huh? 1175 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:55,700 This is Rachel Lee's boyfriend husband, sometimes depending on who she was talking to brother. 1176 01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,380 Isn't her brother? 1177 01:06:58,380 --> 01:07:00,380 Blancy. 1178 01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:01,380 Blancy. 1179 01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:02,380 Blancy. 1180 01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:03,380 Blancy. 1181 01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:04,380 That's the first name. 1182 01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:05,380 Just one name. 1183 01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:07,380 Just like Cher and Madonna. 1184 01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:08,380 Blancy. 1185 01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:09,380 Blancy. 1186 01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:12,620 Yeah, Blancy had also worked for the Reigns family. 1187 01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:19,900 There's a number of instances where he comes up in the various ways that he helped perpetrate 1188 01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:23,540 this broad. 1189 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:25,940 He did some bad stuff for sure. 1190 01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:28,980 We are not in disagreement about that. 1191 01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:32,820 I just didn't think he was that interesting of a character overall. 1192 01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:34,660 My brother has been blancy. 1193 01:07:34,660 --> 01:07:36,660 That's interesting to me. 1194 01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:37,860 I know. 1195 01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:38,860 I know. 1196 01:07:38,860 --> 01:07:39,860 Is he a real person? 1197 01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:40,860 Yes. 1198 01:07:40,860 --> 01:07:41,860 Okay. 1199 01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:49,020 To think that he was the least interesting character as the brother husband. 1200 01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:50,020 Wow. 1201 01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:51,020 Okay. 1202 01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:52,020 Okay. 1203 01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:53,020 Okay. 1204 01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:59,620 Blancy pled guilty and helped the feds track the siphoned funds. 1205 01:07:59,620 --> 01:08:02,820 So he was a... 1206 01:08:02,820 --> 01:08:05,220 So we still have to talk about him. 1207 01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:06,220 Yeah. 1208 01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:07,220 Yeah. 1209 01:08:07,220 --> 01:08:08,220 Snitch Blancy. 1210 01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:09,780 Snitch Blancy. 1211 01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:15,700 For the charges of money laundering as well as other tax-related charges, he receives 1212 01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,700 a sentence of, "Kassie, do you want to guess? 1213 01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:20,700 Do you want to guess? 1214 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,660 Do you want to guess how long he got?" 1215 01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:24,020 I'm not good at this. 1216 01:08:24,020 --> 01:08:25,020 I don't know. 1217 01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:26,020 10 years. 1218 01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:29,060 It was probably like 10 months. 1219 01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:30,860 Oh, sweet girl. 1220 01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:31,860 I know. 1221 01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:32,860 I'm literally not good at this. 1222 01:08:32,860 --> 01:08:33,860 Terrific. 1223 01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:34,860 No, I know. 1224 01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:38,700 I'm never good at this either, but this is... 1225 01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:40,300 It's somewhere between those two numbers. 1226 01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:46,580 I'm like, he either got way too little or way too much and took the fall. 1227 01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:50,220 He receives a sentence of two years. 1228 01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:52,220 I was totally going to say too. 1229 01:08:52,220 --> 01:08:53,220 Really? 1230 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:54,220 Yeah. 1231 01:08:54,220 --> 01:09:01,700 Rachel pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering, and failure 1232 01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,100 to pay income taxes. 1233 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:14,140 And she gets eight years and four months, which seems like kind of a lot of time seeing 1234 01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:17,980 as she didn't actually kill anyone. 1235 01:09:17,980 --> 01:09:19,780 But I can't help. 1236 01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:28,340 There's a little bit of a sticking point for me because it's also noticeably less time 1237 01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:32,220 than the duration of her financial long con. 1238 01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:33,220 Yeah. 1239 01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:37,300 And she ruined two people's lives, like completely ruined them. 1240 01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:39,260 She ruined a lot of lives. 1241 01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:41,260 Probably more, but like... 1242 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:42,260 Yeah. 1243 01:09:42,260 --> 01:09:46,540 But two people distinctly stick out. 1244 01:09:46,540 --> 01:09:49,380 Does she not get like elder abuse charges? 1245 01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,140 Because was there any proof? 1246 01:09:52,140 --> 01:10:00,060 I mean, technically, I don't think there was any evidence of physical elder abuse. 1247 01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:02,020 It's all elder abuse in... 1248 01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:03,020 Like, neglect. 1249 01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:04,020 Right. 1250 01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:05,020 Yeah, yeah. 1251 01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:09,620 Well, and strictly in like a financial aspect, really. 1252 01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:10,620 Yeah. 1253 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:15,500 Portia pleads guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud. 1254 01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:19,620 She would receive two years and nine months in prison. 1255 01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:23,100 She should get another year for a bad wig. 1256 01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,100 Yeah. 1257 01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,100 Listen. 1258 01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,100 That's a crime. 1259 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:27,100 It was a crime. 1260 01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,340 That is true crime. 1261 01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:37,100 I can't see if I told you that even though there's still some sad stuff left, that this story 1262 01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:41,740 kind of has a silver lining, would you believe me? 1263 01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:44,660 I hope that you would never lie to me. 1264 01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:45,660 Okay. 1265 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,100 I'm putting a lot of faith and trust in you. 1266 01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:53,220 Ralph has struggled to come to grips with the fact that the woman he knew as Mary Marks 1267 01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:54,740 was really Portia. 1268 01:10:54,740 --> 01:10:58,260 He thought she died. 1269 01:10:58,260 --> 01:11:01,580 That's so fucked. 1270 01:11:01,580 --> 01:11:04,900 And she in fact only saw him as a mark. 1271 01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:05,900 Get it? 1272 01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:06,900 Mary Marks? 1273 01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:07,900 No. 1274 01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:08,900 No? 1275 01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:09,900 I get it. 1276 01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:10,900 I get it. 1277 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:14,100 My heart hurts. 1278 01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:20,940 On the day of her sentencing, she agreed to meet with Ralph and greeted him in the Mary Marks 1279 01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:28,340 get up, complete with the British accent before taking off her disguise. 1280 01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:30,060 She did not. 1281 01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:34,340 The prosecution actually arranged this. 1282 01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:37,100 They did this for his benefit. 1283 01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:42,740 Did they tell him that she was alive actually first or did he just see a ghost? 1284 01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:49,140 He did, it's, I mean, he knew that Mary Marks was having a trial, right? 1285 01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:50,460 Because he's there. 1286 01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:52,660 Okay. 1287 01:11:52,660 --> 01:12:00,580 There's a lot of cognitive dissonance and very hurt feelings involved in this. 1288 01:12:00,580 --> 01:12:08,460 But this helped him to come to terms with the overwhelming deception according to some 1289 01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:16,140 of the people that have remained closest to him throughout his emotional ordeal. 1290 01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:22,780 He literally, until she took off the wig, he just could not fathom that Mary Marks wasn't 1291 01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:27,580 real and that anything that he was being told was true. 1292 01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:30,780 It's just so fucking sad. 1293 01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:32,740 Oh my God. 1294 01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:36,900 Ralph doesn't typically speak about this period of his life. 1295 01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:42,180 Some of his money and other assets have been returned to him after being recovered by authorities 1296 01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:44,300 through seizures. 1297 01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:49,820 Ralph currently lives in a relatively modest A-Frame style home on the remaining family 1298 01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:56,300 property where the evidence of the clear cutting is in plain view. 1299 01:12:56,300 --> 01:13:00,420 A stark reminder of his painful past. 1300 01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:06,300 To some, it might be surprising to hear how optimistic Ralph has remained. 1301 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:12,820 Even light of all that he is endured, but when he appeared on American greed, his parting 1302 01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:16,780 words took the crew at the end of the episode were. 1303 01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:20,820 Ten years ago, this whole area in here had trees. 1304 01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:28,260 This size appeared as he gestured to a large stand of old growth trees. 1305 01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:29,940 It's something I helped plant. 1306 01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:33,580 I helped build and now it's gone. 1307 01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:40,300 I realized we've had a disaster here, but it will grow back and heal. 1308 01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:43,300 Oh. 1309 01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:44,300 It will. 1310 01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:48,980 Ten years from now, you won't recognize this spot. 1311 01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:50,980 Come back in ten years. 1312 01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:55,780 I know I was like crying at the end of the episode. 1313 01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:59,060 Can you imagine? 1314 01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:04,020 No, this whole thing is just crazy. 1315 01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:07,020 They just brainwashed him. 1316 01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:12,500 I just feel like if it had just been about the financial fraud, I know it's easy to say 1317 01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:17,020 that you don't care about the money when you have the money. 1318 01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:18,020 I don't know that. 1319 01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:19,020 I assume. 1320 01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:20,020 Yeah. 1321 01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:32,420 But it's the wholesale fraud that they perpetrated in the deepest and most hurtful and personal 1322 01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:39,860 ways in his life that it's just, it's fucking heart-wrenching. 1323 01:14:39,860 --> 01:14:42,340 It really is. 1324 01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:44,340 It's so sick. 1325 01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:52,300 Yeah, like as much as we made fun of this bitch's fake wig and all this stuff, but I can really 1326 01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:59,860 see how you know the soft spots and the nerves that you can poke and manipulate and to someone 1327 01:14:59,860 --> 01:15:06,620 who then can't see any of that anymore. 1328 01:15:06,620 --> 01:15:09,660 And this is super heartbreaking as well. 1329 01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:17,260 He obviously hasn't been able to maintain a relationship with Georgiel. 1330 01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:18,260 Oh, God. 1331 01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:25,460 And he said that's the one thing that he wishes is that he's like, I know maybe it's not right. 1332 01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:28,380 You know, maybe that it shouldn't be that way. 1333 01:15:28,380 --> 01:15:33,700 He's back with his family, like his real mom now. 1334 01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:38,380 But he really desperately wishes that he could have a relationship with Georgiel because 1335 01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:40,140 he thought he was his father. 1336 01:15:40,140 --> 01:15:41,500 He loved him. 1337 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:46,140 He, you know, was helping to raise him for all intents and purposes. 1338 01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:47,660 Yeah. 1339 01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:50,780 How old was Georgiel in the soul? 1340 01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:51,780 Oh, gosh. 1341 01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:56,220 By the end of it, he might have been close to like kindergarten age. 1342 01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:58,860 Because that's gonna fuck with him too. 1343 01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:03,460 He's like, where was this father figure I had for so long? 1344 01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:04,460 Mm-hmm. 1345 01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:05,460 Just like the... 1346 01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:06,460 The damage. 1347 01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:07,660 The tendrils of damage. 1348 01:16:07,660 --> 01:16:11,780 I was literally just gonna say that tentacles, it just... 1349 01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:13,860 There's so much trauma. 1350 01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:24,420 That's why I say it's like, there's not any murder technically, but it feels so much worse 1351 01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:27,820 in a way. 1352 01:16:27,820 --> 01:16:29,740 And obviously murder is bad. 1353 01:16:29,740 --> 01:16:30,740 Murder is bad. 1354 01:16:30,740 --> 01:16:32,620 We are not saying murder. 1355 01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:37,580 We are saying that like this just feels like on another level. 1356 01:16:37,580 --> 01:16:38,580 It's torture. 1357 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:39,860 It's like torture. 1358 01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:44,220 It's like psychological warfare and torture. 1359 01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:48,980 And it would be awful to do it to anyone, but the fact that they didn't pick somebody who 1360 01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:57,460 was a young man and could move on in his life and do things differently moving forward. 1361 01:16:57,460 --> 01:17:01,740 This is someone who's already like retirement age. 1362 01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:03,740 Yeah. 1363 01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:08,980 Like he's entering what should be the golden years of his life and they have just... 1364 01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:13,500 They've absolutely annihilated what he thought was his life. 1365 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:14,500 That's crazy. 1366 01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:17,060 I fucking hate it. 1367 01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:21,820 I hope he has the same outlook on his life that he does with the land. 1368 01:17:21,820 --> 01:17:23,740 I think very much so. 1369 01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:29,740 You are in your elder years, but that's not to say that you can't have a fulfilling life 1370 01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:31,420 for the rest of it. 1371 01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:37,780 You can still find meaning in what he does on this earth. 1372 01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:46,860 And obviously a lot of what his family has done has been trying to be of service to their 1373 01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:51,140 local community and just generally being good humans. 1374 01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:52,700 I don't know. 1375 01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:55,140 I mean, what else do you do? 1376 01:17:55,140 --> 01:17:58,340 You can't do anything, but just... 1377 01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:59,340 Yeah. 1378 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:03,860 You can't help and live with that little spot of sunshine. 1379 01:18:03,860 --> 01:18:04,860 And you know what? 1380 01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:06,460 You know what you do? 1381 01:18:06,460 --> 01:18:09,180 You do some tarot, but you know what you don't do? 1382 01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:12,540 You don't fake the tarot reading. 1383 01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:14,220 You don't just like make shit up. 1384 01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:15,940 You don't manipulate people. 1385 01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:17,660 Yeah. 1386 01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:20,340 You don't fake multiple pregnancies. 1387 01:18:20,340 --> 01:18:21,780 That is so gross. 1388 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:22,780 And your death. 1389 01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:24,060 That is so gross. 1390 01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:26,900 All of that is just gross. 1391 01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:28,260 Should we do some tarot? 1392 01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:34,380 Yeah, let's do some real-ass tarot, but isn't going to hurt anybody. 1393 01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:37,100 Except our own feelings, maybe. 1394 01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,500 Yeah, maybe sometimes, but yeah. 1395 01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:40,500 What are you going to do? 1396 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,100 It's always the truth. 1397 01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:44,900 And that's better than lies. 1398 01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:47,860 And that's a quote from me. 1399 01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:49,860 Oh my God. 1400 01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:53,380 That was the most basic quote I ever heard. 1401 01:18:53,380 --> 01:18:54,860 You're like, "Better than lies." 1402 01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,380 I'm a genius. 1403 01:18:57,380 --> 01:18:59,380 But that on my tombstone. 1404 01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:01,100 Oh my God. 1405 01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:04,100 [SIRENS] 1406 01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:09,220 As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows. 1407 01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:12,980 So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week. 1408 01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:14,500 Let's show them some love. 1409 01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:18,020 You can find their info in our show notes. 1410 01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:19,100 Hey, it's Katie. 1411 01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:20,100 And Izzy. 1412 01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:22,980 We are the host of Horror Cats and Witch Hats. 1413 01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:26,780 A podcast where we take a deep dive into the movie's creative to Haunt, 1414 01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:28,580 Horify, and Be Witch. 1415 01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:31,940 Every other week, we cover a movie recommended by our listeners. 1416 01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:35,780 My favorite episodes have included talking about the true crime that inspired the film, 1417 01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:39,820 Haunted History, and of course, any cat that survives till the end. 1418 01:19:39,820 --> 01:19:44,740 So follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Horror_Cats_WitchHats 1419 01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:47,300 and make sure to send us your movie recommendations. 1420 01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:51,260 But more importantly, send us your cat pictures and videos. 1421 01:19:51,260 --> 01:19:54,900 You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music, and Google podcasts. 1422 01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:57,500 Or pretty much wherever you listen to fine podcasts. 1423 01:19:57,500 --> 01:19:58,500 Wow! 1424 01:19:58,500 --> 01:20:02,260 You guys, we're back! 1425 01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:05,020 And don't worry, we did get more wine. 1426 01:20:05,020 --> 01:20:06,020 Well, of course. 1427 01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:10,660 Oh my gosh! 1428 01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:11,820 It's so cute! 1429 01:20:11,820 --> 01:20:13,500 Look at all the minis! 1430 01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:15,500 I know! 1431 01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:18,100 Yeah, this will definitely be when we have to get some good pictures. 1432 01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:18,940 Oh yeah. 1433 01:20:18,940 --> 01:20:20,460 You cannot see. 1434 01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:20,980 Oh, point. 1435 01:20:20,980 --> 01:20:22,940 I'll point some stuff out while she's shuffling. 1436 01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:24,620 A racket. 1437 01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:27,060 Tiny tarot card. 1438 01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:29,060 They're teeny weeny. 1439 01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:30,780 They're Caitlyn's size. 1440 01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:33,420 We found a Caitlyn's size deck. 1441 01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:35,780 She shuffled these perfectly earlier. 1442 01:20:35,780 --> 01:20:39,140 Didn't drop a one. 1443 01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:41,340 I dropped a literally every single one of them. 1444 01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:43,860 She grabbed a mole and they all just fell out of her hands. 1445 01:20:43,860 --> 01:20:47,260 And I was like, is this the first time you've ever felt like a giant? 1446 01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,260 Yeah, basically. 1447 01:20:49,260 --> 01:20:50,260 OK. 1448 01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:55,460 Oh, what a word. 1449 01:20:55,460 --> 01:20:57,180 King of Swords was an effort. 1450 01:20:57,180 --> 01:20:58,900 It was, yes. 1451 01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:00,780 King of Swords. 1452 01:21:00,780 --> 01:21:02,740 It's not a flamingo. 1453 01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:04,940 It's not a flamingo, but it looks like one. 1454 01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,860 I think it's a heron. 1455 01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:09,540 I'm just like, it's not a flamingo. 1456 01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:11,340 She's like, that's all the things I know. 1457 01:21:11,340 --> 01:21:13,540 Those are from the Pacific Northwest. 1458 01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:16,620 [LAUGHTER] 1459 01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:17,580 OK. 1460 01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:19,580 King of Swords are keywords. 1461 01:21:19,580 --> 01:21:26,780 Are judgment, intelligence, mental power, and communication. 1462 01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:28,940 In some decks, the King of Swords 1463 01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:33,260 sits on a throne wearing royal robes and a crown, 1464 01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:36,020 brandishing a mighty battle sword. 1465 01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:38,100 They were both veterans. 1466 01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,100 Oh, yeah. 1467 01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:44,100 Other decks show him in military armor. 1468 01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:48,580 In a reading, he may represent an actual person, in which case, 1469 01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:52,580 he's usually a mature man known for his intelligence, 1470 01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:56,140 communication skills, fairness, and objectivity. 1471 01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:56,740 Wow. 1472 01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,300 That-- yeah. 1473 01:21:58,300 --> 01:21:59,220 That's creepy. 1474 01:21:59,220 --> 01:22:03,860 That's like one of the things I wanted to, like, kind of-- 1475 01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:06,140 I don't-- like, drill in, but not really, 1476 01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:08,420 that he wasn't like a dumb person. 1477 01:22:08,420 --> 01:22:10,780 No, not at all. 1478 01:22:10,780 --> 01:22:14,780 The upright King represents intellectual pursuits, 1479 01:22:14,780 --> 01:22:19,420 communication, spiritual knowledge, which was, like, 1480 01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:23,740 Ralph's other passion aside from having a family, 1481 01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:25,100 and study. 1482 01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:29,780 You may be mastering a mental task or using your communications 1483 01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:31,860 skills successfully. 1484 01:22:31,860 --> 01:22:33,980 This is going to make you absolutely 1485 01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:35,940 short your pantaloon. 1486 01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,940 I thought you were reading still, and I was like, wait, oh, 1487 01:22:38,940 --> 01:22:39,940 what? 1488 01:22:39,940 --> 01:22:41,620 Yeah, that's in the book. 1489 01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:46,300 Sometimes this card indicates a decision, judgment, or legal 1490 01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:47,700 matter. 1491 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:49,380 Yes. 1492 01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:54,100 I think you could say, if the King signifies an actual person, 1493 01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:57,860 he may seem stern, analytical, or aloof. 1494 01:22:57,860 --> 01:23:00,980 Perhaps he's a lawyer or judge, a professor, 1495 01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:04,900 military leader, scientist, or religious leader. 1496 01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,420 This is so Ralph's senior. 1497 01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:09,860 In a reading about money, the King upright 1498 01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:12,780 recommends taking charge of a financial matter. 1499 01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:16,100 Oh my god, it hurts. 1500 01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:17,220 Do your homework. 1501 01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:20,180 Don't let your emotions influence a decision 1502 01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:23,020 involving money or investments. 1503 01:23:23,020 --> 01:23:26,060 We needed to do his tarot reading. 1504 01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:27,780 It hurts. 1505 01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:32,580 This card may also mean profiting from an intellectual endeavor. 1506 01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:34,500 If the reading is about your job, it 1507 01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:36,860 may indicate you work in a field that 1508 01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:41,220 requires keen intelligence, good communication, 1509 01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:44,220 or analytical ability. 1510 01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:47,700 The King advises you to show leadership regarding decisions 1511 01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:52,740 or judgments, clarity, and objectivity are important. 1512 01:23:52,740 --> 01:23:57,420 Because you think of him as we talked about he worked very 1513 01:23:57,420 --> 01:23:58,340 physically. 1514 01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:59,340 He did. 1515 01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:59,700 Yeah. 1516 01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:03,340 But then also to run it after his dad passed, 1517 01:24:03,340 --> 01:24:05,460 he ran the whole thing, right? 1518 01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:13,180 Well, not from the standpoint of the administrative 1519 01:24:13,180 --> 01:24:15,740 or bookkeeping, obviously, you know what he was doing that. 1520 01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:18,340 But I mean, yeah. 1521 01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:23,300 Cassie, you're going to shorten your pants a second time. 1522 01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,260 Double short. 1523 01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:25,860 Double short. 1524 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:28,820 In a reading about love, the King symbolizes 1525 01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:33,100 a relationship based on shared interests and ideas 1526 01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:36,100 rather than passion. 1527 01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:36,620 Yep. 1528 01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:39,380 Like a sexless marriage where they might 1529 01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:41,260 have been fake shared ideas. 1530 01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:42,420 Yeah. 1531 01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:46,900 You and your partner resist expressing deep emotions, 1532 01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:49,620 preferring a friendly partnership, which 1533 01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:51,740 is literally the name of the game here. 1534 01:24:51,740 --> 01:24:52,780 Yeah. 1535 01:24:52,780 --> 01:24:55,060 Perhaps you fear losing independence 1536 01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:57,020 if you open your heart. 1537 01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:59,940 I don't think he was the one that was afraid. 1538 01:24:59,940 --> 01:25:01,700 There's an extra excerpt. 1539 01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:05,740 I think the highest purpose of ritual or magic work 1540 01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:10,580 is to seek our gods to commune with the cosmic mirror 1541 01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:14,260 and the spirits of nature in order to learn more of the divinity 1542 01:25:14,260 --> 01:25:17,300 within ourselves and reach ever more 1543 01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:21,140 toward personal growth and its highest expression. 1544 01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:22,660 Nature. 1545 01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:25,420 That's what like real-- what does it say? 1546 01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:26,380 What's the beginning again? 1547 01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:27,060 Sorry. 1548 01:25:27,060 --> 01:25:30,900 The highest purpose is to seek our gods. 1549 01:25:30,900 --> 01:25:32,860 Commune with the cosmic mirror. 1550 01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:36,340 This is just-- it's Ralph Jr. all over the place. 1551 01:25:36,340 --> 01:25:39,380 And it's like what a tarot reader should be doing. 1552 01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:45,300 Not selfishly doing whatever the fuck you want to do. 1553 01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:46,340 Right. 1554 01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:47,500 In the nature. 1555 01:25:47,500 --> 01:25:49,380 Oh my gosh. 1556 01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:51,340 All those trees. 1557 01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:53,380 Trees of feelings. 1558 01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:54,940 I kind of want to read this. 1559 01:25:54,940 --> 01:25:55,820 OK. 1560 01:25:55,820 --> 01:25:56,740 I don't know why. 1561 01:25:56,740 --> 01:25:57,620 Let's see. 1562 01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:59,980 She wants to know what the bird is, people. 1563 01:25:59,980 --> 01:26:02,420 Oh, the bird's a great blue heron. 1564 01:26:02,420 --> 01:26:06,340 The king always felt most himself in the water. 1565 01:26:06,340 --> 01:26:12,380 True his subjects gasped in awe when he took to the air. 1566 01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:16,620 His wide wings outstretched in the gleaming sunlight. 1567 01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:20,060 And he did enjoy the bird's eye view, so to speak. 1568 01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:22,540 But it would surprise them to learn 1569 01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:26,780 that it was here in the water where he felt most at home. 1570 01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:30,140 I feel like the water is like the trees. 1571 01:26:30,140 --> 01:26:30,740 No. 1572 01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:31,660 It is. 1573 01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:33,460 It is because of trees. 1574 01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:38,620 There's literally a quote that I swear it was in my notes, 1575 01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:40,820 but it doesn't seem like it made the final cut. 1576 01:26:40,820 --> 01:26:41,700 I don't know how. 1577 01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:47,100 But he was described as being more at home with trees than people. 1578 01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:48,580 Yeah. 1579 01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:51,060 And like this whole time I've been like saying in my mind, 1580 01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:54,660 like a sea of trees, a sea of trees, and this is like water. 1581 01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:55,380 OK. 1582 01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:56,740 There's more. 1583 01:26:56,740 --> 01:27:00,460 He stood perfectly still until the fish forgot him. 1584 01:27:00,460 --> 01:27:03,300 Seeing him as just a part of the landscape. 1585 01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:08,060 He enjoyed watching them flit about his tall ankles, 1586 01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:11,060 like tiny thoughts darting in and out. 1587 01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:12,220 Yeah, that's his thoughts. 1588 01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:14,620 Like tiny thoughts darting in and out 1589 01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:20,100 of a rapidly processing mind, which I was talking about that earlier. 1590 01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:21,940 Oh, boy. 1591 01:27:21,940 --> 01:27:25,300 When he saw one of particular interest, 1592 01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,260 he might observe it for a while. 1593 01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:30,420 Oh, now this is kind of like reminding me of her. 1594 01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:35,620 Oh, like blending in and like observing and then-- 1595 01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:37,140 I hate that. 1596 01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:42,700 --the light on its scales, the exact motion of its fin and tail. 1597 01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:44,900 Its patterns and coloration. 1598 01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:50,140 So it's like studying and like thinks this one fish is interesting. 1599 01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:53,020 And if it suited him, he would take it, 1600 01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:57,180 breaking the stillness with an instantaneous strike downward, 1601 01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:02,580 spearing it on a bill as sharp as any honed edge. 1602 01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:05,380 He never misses. 1603 01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:08,100 OK, so first I was thinking this was him, 1604 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:11,980 like it was describing him, but now it's like totally her. 1605 01:28:11,980 --> 01:28:15,860 I mean, there's parts of it that resonate for Ralph Jr. 1606 01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:18,700 but there's definitely parts of it that are very pointed. 1607 01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:24,620 And it's Rachel and other members of the Lee family. 1608 01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:26,660 Wow. 1609 01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:28,060 That's crazy. 1610 01:28:28,060 --> 01:28:32,940 That's a little tastier cold reading that's going to happen. 1611 01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:34,860 Not great. 1612 01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:36,340 Should we do this thing? 1613 01:28:36,340 --> 01:28:36,860 Sure. 1614 01:28:36,860 --> 01:28:38,620 Should we-- I feel like I want to cheer us. 1615 01:28:38,620 --> 01:28:40,540 All right. 1616 01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:41,700 Cheers, darling. 1617 01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:44,020 To Ralph Jr. 1618 01:28:44,020 --> 01:28:46,220 I'll drink to that. 1619 01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:48,060 You're going to have amazing life. 1620 01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:50,220 You're going to have amazing life. 1621 01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:52,980 Why use many words? 1622 01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:55,300 I keep doing that. 1623 01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:58,100 Ralph, you're going to have an amazing life with that outlook. 1624 01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:03,380 That's how you get a good life is having this great outlook 1625 01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:05,780 on it, even though shitty things happen. 1626 01:29:05,780 --> 01:29:06,780 It's what you make it. 1627 01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:09,060 You just have to. 1628 01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:12,260 That or you're just fucking depressed. 1629 01:29:12,260 --> 01:29:13,940 And that's never fun. 1630 01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:16,300 No, not at all. 1631 01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:21,180 Oh, or have a creepy ass day. 1632 01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:23,140 See you next Tuesday. 1633 01:29:23,140 --> 01:29:24,100 You can't hurt me. 1634 01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:27,860 I mean, just whenever we show up again, 1635 01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:31,140 and always every Tuesday, but maybe other times too. 1636 01:29:31,140 --> 01:29:34,940 There will never be a scam here, never ever. 1637 01:29:34,940 --> 01:29:36,340 That's why we do it on camera. 1638 01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:37,140 Yeah, I mean, yeah. 1639 01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:44,500 Be anticipation. 1640 01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:49,140 The anticipation, not to me if it purely. 1641 01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:50,940 Oh, God. 1642 01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:54,900 What do you call it when something is so funny that you're 1643 01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:58,340 worried you might be? 1644 01:29:58,340 --> 01:29:59,340 Hallerapy? 1645 01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:00,220 Hallerapy? 1646 01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:01,220 Yeah. 1647 01:30:01,220 --> 01:30:02,780 Maybe we'll workshop that one. 1648 01:30:02,780 --> 01:30:03,580 Workshop that one. 1649 01:30:03,580 --> 01:30:04,060 OK. 1650 01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:05,820 Not that quick on my brain. 1651 01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:06,820 Yeah. 1652 01:30:06,820 --> 01:30:10,060 OK. 1653 01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:10,620 All right. 1654 01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:10,900 Yeah. 1655 01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:11,420 Yeah. 1656 01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:14,340 Well, don't think with my toes. 1657 01:30:14,340 --> 01:30:15,460 Ello, poppet! www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com