A Very Weirdo Pod Fam Holiday Special

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000[Music]200:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000Christine, please don't hang up.300:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000I know I'm probably the last person you want to hear from, after I ran away to the big city.400:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000But when I saw you hanging Christmas lights with Roger, I got scared.500:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,000The tinsel and decorations from my works holiday party is nothing like what I experienced in a style j-town with you.600:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000I know now the true meaning of Christmas is our love.700:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000If you'll have me, I want to spend the rest of my life making it up to you.800:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000It's a Christmas miracle!900:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,000I'm going to march into the holiday party and tell Mr. Manager that I quit!1000:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,000Then I'm on the first flight back to nostalgia town with you.1100:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,000I love you too! I'll see you shortly.1200:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000What the?1300:00:48,000 --> 00:00:56,000Oh hey, I didn't see you there.1400:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000Sorry you had to witness that.1500:00:58,000 --> 00:01:04,000I'm sure you had a great Christmas love story unfolding, but you sort of picked the wrong place to have a big holiday realization.1600:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,000How rude of me. I haven't even introduced myself.1700:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000My name is Stuart. I'm a non-denomination holiday cryptid.1800:01:11,000 --> 00:01:17,000Basically my soul lies dormant on regular days, only allowing my physical form to materialize during holidays.1900:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,000Hanukkah, Easter, October Fest, you name it.2000:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000I even had Columbus Day for a little over 200 years, but everyone challenged its legitimacy.2100:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000Hello, that one made me feel a little weird anyway.2200:01:28,000 --> 00:01:35,000As a young blood thirsty sky beast, I used to do my part with population control, feeding on the innocent and causing destruction.2300:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,000But recently I've just been really into podcasts.2400:01:38,000 --> 00:01:45,000Ever since I discovered how good any podcasts are, I've spent every holiday that I'm materialized, catching up on all my favorite shows.2500:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000And being a bit of an anomaly myself, I'm a sucker for weird and interesting content.2600:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000Oh look you there!2700:01:51,000 --> 00:01:57,000My first holiday story is finished downloading. I can share your butt with you if you'd like to listen with.2800:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000Let me just sweep these in trails out of the way so you can have a seat.2900:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000There we go.3000:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,000This first story is from a couple of goofballs that go by Live, Laugh, Larceny, a true petty crime podcast.3100:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,000They specialize in taking dumb criminal headlines and turn them into cheesy, overly dramatic short stories.3200:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000It's very different, and the sound effects kill me.3300:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,000Here's my other ear butt if you don't mind putting that in.3400:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000It's a perfect fit.3500:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000Let's press play and see what's in store for this ear.3600:02:25,000 --> 00:02:32,000All the Florida people in Wellington, like Jesus a lot.3700:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,000But the Grinch, Danielle Santino, who walked past it, did not.3800:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000Danielle hated Christmas and religious belief.3900:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,000Please don't ask why her and the Lord just had beef.4000:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000It could be perhaps that their bells woke her up every morning.4100:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,000It could be that she found their sermons to be boring.4200:02:54,000 --> 00:03:02,000But I think the most likely reason of all is that her religious tolerance was too size too small.4300:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,000But whatever the reason, their sermons or bells, their shouts to the heavens,4400:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000made Danielle feel like hell.4500:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,000Staring across the street with a bias, Grinchy frown,4600:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,000a new lawn ornament appeared for the people to gather around.4700:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000For she knew every member of the center across the street4800:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,000loved that their religious statues were the first thing people would see.4900:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000Christmas was yesterday.5000:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000She snarled with a sneer.5100:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000They had 25 days of their incessant cheer.5200:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000Then she formed an idea deep in her asshole brain.5300:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000That celebration must be stopped.5400:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000Not another single day.5500:03:44,000 --> 00:03:52,000For tomorrow I know all the Wellington people will loudly sing hymns of praise to the steeple.5600:03:52,000 --> 00:03:57,000Oh those ancient songs, all those song, song, songs.5700:03:57,000 --> 00:04:03,000If there's one thing I hate, it's those song, song, songs.5800:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,000They'll stand close together with the pipe organ blaring,5900:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,000feeling very uncomfortable in the ugly sweaters they're wearing.6000:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,000Still singing, still singing, still singing, singing, singing.6100:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000And the more Danielle thought of their tone deaf singing,6200:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000the more Danielle thought, "I must end this whole thing."6300:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000Why, since Thanksgiving night, the decorations lit the town.6400:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000The holiday has passed.6500:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,000It must end now.6600:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,000Then she got an idea, an intolerant idea.6700:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000She got the most wonderful, intolerant idea.6800:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000"I know just what I'll do."6900:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000Danielle laughed and she swayed.7000:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000"I'll kidnap baby Jesus.7100:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000I'll take him away."7200:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,000"It's September 26th," she grinsially said,7300:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000as she put on all black and slipped a mask over her head.7400:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000She walked softly and quietly as she approached the manger.7500:05:07,000 --> 00:05:13,000Joseph and Mary stared in fear at the sight of the stranger.7600:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000"I've heard a lot about you, baby Jesus," she shouted with glee.7700:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000"Now get in the bag.7800:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000You're coming with me."7900:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000That she attempted to pick up the sweet baby Lord.8000:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,000Her motion was stopped by a tight safety cord.8100:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,000"You think that will stop me?" Danielle said with a chuckle.8200:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,000As she cut through the rope and through that baby in her duffel.8300:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000Her feet ran across the street with the Holy Spirit and toe,8400:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,000knocking quietly on the window of her good friend, Fernando.8500:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000"What do you want?" said the voice of her friend.8600:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000"I brought you a late present.8700:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,000Now please, let me in."8800:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000Danielle began to explain.8900:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000Fernando held out his hand.9000:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,000"Some people accept Christ in their hearts, but I've got him in this bag.9100:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000I appreciate the gesture," said Fernando.9200:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000"But you stole.9300:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,000I'll accept this gift out of politeness, but you should probably go."9400:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000Danielle left without a fight, escaping into the night.9500:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000No longer would the center be Mary and Bright.9600:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,000But as the sun rose above, the center on December 27th.9700:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,000In walked past her Marty, the 377th.9800:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000He unlocked the worship hall with his old creepy keys.9900:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,000He filled his watering can with holy water to water the holy trees.10000:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,000Walking the grounds, he cleaned it up of any trash.10100:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,000And looked up to the manger to see baby Jesus had been snatched.10200:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,000"Oh, golly-g!" he wailed the way a holy man could.10300:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,000"I'm not going to curse, but the situation, it's not good."10400:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000Only prayers can save us from a time of great stress.10500:07:02,000 --> 00:07:09,000So Marty got on his knees and activated baby Jesus' GPS.10600:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,000Now, before you listen to think, this is a fun turn of phrase.10700:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,000I mean this in the most literal of ways.10800:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,000This isn't the church's first baby Jesus rodeo.10900:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000They've got years of experience with their savior being stole.11000:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,000So just as Jesus looks down over you and me,11100:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,000his forever baby body is watched over by technology.11200:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000They pinged his location and he was surprisingly close.11300:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,000Just across the street, on a pile of Fernando's clothes.11400:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000"Police!"11500:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000As they questioned the boy in his vial act,11600:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,000"Why would you do this?"11700:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000He flipped like a pancake and stabbed Daniel in the back.11800:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000So what happened then?11900:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000Well in Willington they say,12000:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,000"That Grinch got booked for a Florida man's day."12100:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000There she sat in the Palm Beach County jail12200:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000with a single charge of theft and a lump of coal in her cell.12300:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000And then the true meaning of Christmas came through,12400:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000that you probably shouldn't steal such a popular loot.12500:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000So welcome Christmas.12600:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000Bring your cheer.12700:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,000Cheer to all the Florida people, far and near.12800:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,000Cheer to the baths, salters, the shoplifters and stuff.12900:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000As long as they have hands to cuff.13000:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,000Florida crimes will always be, as long as we have we.13100:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,000Welcome petty criminals as we stand,13200:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000with petty hearts and red hands.13300:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,000Wow.13400:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000I need that book printed immediately.13500:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000Okay. We made a little eye contact during this story.13600:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,000When you said the 377th,13700:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,000clarify immediately.13800:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000That wasn't really a real thing.13900:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000I was like, there is no way.14000:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000That was me doing a sucess.14100:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000Okay.14200:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000I was doing Pastor Marty, which is another Marty,14300:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000but I was saying he was Pastor Marty of 377th.14400:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000It helped make the rhyme,14500:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,000but I'd like to think that he just came from a line of 300 plus Pastor Marty's.14600:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000I was like, if this is somehow,14700:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000was some way a truth in this story?14800:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000I need to know details.14900:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000Okay.15000:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000That is not.15100:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000So they had a GPS in Baby Jesus.15200:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000Apparently, this is very common.15300:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000Oh wow.15400:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000I learned a whole expo-zay on it.15500:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000I mean, we've all heard stories.15600:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000I mean, Baby Jesus, this is in Joseph Samarrius,15700:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000gets stole from the manger all the time.15800:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000Yeah.15900:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000But I guess a lot of these security places,16000:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,000normally if you're going to sign up for like a brings or some sort of a thing as a church,16100:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000they're trying to get you to sign up for like a year or so.16200:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000Yeah.16300:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000But they were actually running holiday deals to say,16400:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000okay, you can sign on with us for one month only,16500:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000because we understand how important it is that you protect Baby Jesus.16600:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000There's no like hassle to try to get you to do more.16700:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000Sure, everybody needs security,16800:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000but you need extra security on these things.16900:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,000So a lot of churches will, or community centers,17000:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,000as this one was, will sign on and put these GPS trackers17100:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,000in their highly stolen Christmas decor.17200:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000So sometimes, Baby Jesus,17300:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000oh, Baby Jesus is the main one,17400:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,000but sometimes even Mary and Joseph will also have GPS trackers on them too.17500:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000Hello.17600:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000What a twist on a holiday classic.17700:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000Here I am, some great test creature who literally ate a human in front of you.17800:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,000And I can't even fathom the kind of evil that comes from a Jesus thief.17900:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000Ha, well, I guess there's no rest for the wicked.18000:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000I only have so many hours on this holiday,18100:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000so the show must go on.18200:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000I don't know how you feel about history,18300:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,000but I've got a great historical true crime podcast18400:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000hosted by Sisters Lindsey and Madison.18500:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,000Together, they formed the podcast “Ye Olde Crime".18600:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000The show is full of strange historical facts, crime, and laughs.18700:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000It's a great bit in nostalgia for a centuries old being like myself,18800:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000but it should serve as a fun learning experience for you.18900:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,000Hello and welcome to "Ye Olde Crime",19000:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,000where we discuss the funny, strange, and obscure crimes of Yesteryear.19100:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000I'm your host, Lindsey Valente,19200:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000and with me is my sister and co-host, Maddie Stangle.19300:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000Hello.19400:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000Hi.19500:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000How's it going?19600:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,000It's going.19700:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,000This episode comes out the week of Christmas.19800:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000Oh, I'm a good miss.19900:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000Good miss.20000:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000Good news.20100:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000Happy holidays.20200:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,000I'm going to be sharing stories behind popular Christmas tales.20300:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000Ooh, that's appropriate.20400:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000That's timeline appropriate.20500:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,000This story is a popular tale that I think once I get into it,20600:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000you're going to be like, "Yeah, I know this one."20700:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000Okay.20800:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000If you live in the UK,20900:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000you're probably familiar with a popular Christmas dish known as "Minsmeet Pie".21000:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000This festive dish is made with fruit,21100:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,000spices like cinnamon and nutmeg, and a mix of herbs.21200:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,000But it's rumored that once upon a time, back in the 16th century,21300:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,000this dish had a...21400:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000Shall we say more meaty and rather unceivery beginning?21500:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000Is it long pig?21600:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000Yeah.21700:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000God damn it.21800:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,000Historians in 2016, particularly a blogger named CRBerry,21900:12:32,000 --> 00:12:38,000wrote about how the dish was actually invented by a group of French cannibals.22000:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000It's always the French,22100:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000"Histone bread, no, Minsmeet Pie".22200:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000And they're the ones that punish pigs for eating their baby's faces when they don't eat them.22300:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000Just feed the pigs, and then you can eat them.22400:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000That's how...22500:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000That's how it should work.22600:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000It's a food chain.22700:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000You gotta...22800:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000Never break the chain.22900:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000Or the big ol' leaf face.23000:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000They're cool, though.23100:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,000They decided to make pies filled with a mix of fruit, spices, and minced meat23200:13:10,000 --> 00:13:16,000to hide the fact that the source of the protein was actually people.23300:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000Okay.23400:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,000And the reason Minsmeet Pies today are now meat-free23500:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,000is to hide the fact that they started off as such a horrific dish.23600:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000Great.23700:13:27,000 --> 00:13:36,000In Paris in 1384, the butcher of Rue de Marmolsay was one of the most well-known of his trade23800:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000in the entirety of France.23900:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,000Of his wares, his pattes, and meat pies were what sold the most.24000:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,000People from all over the country would travel to Paris just to try them.24100:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,000Even King Charles VI reportedly came to sample his wares.24200:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000BFD.24300:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000Like...24400:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,000Super exclusive.24500:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000It's the Guy Fieri of France.24600:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000Yeah.24700:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000Yeah, I guess.24800:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,000So, it's trying to think of a dives diner's and drive-ins joke, but I couldn't think of one.24900:14:08,000 --> 00:14:18,000Well, next to the butcher shop was the town Barber, who had a large number of patrons, and was particularly popular amongst foreign students25000:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000who were in the city to study philosophy.25100:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000No.25200:14:22,000 --> 00:14:41,000It said that when he would find himself alone with one of these foreigners, his hand would occasionally slip, and he would slip the throat of the unsuspecting student before they were sent down a shoot into the basement, a basement that he shared with his neighbor, the butcher.25300:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000So this is no swinging tug.25400:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000Yes.25500:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000Yes.25600:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000Okay, got it.25700:14:46,000 --> 00:14:56,000The butcher would then proceed to chop, grind, and mash the body until they were at a consistency where they could be the key ingredient for one of his famous meat pies.25800:14:56,000 --> 00:15:10,000The reason they would slaughter and serve foreigners was because it was far less likely that their families would miss them right away, or even notice that they were gone until long after they'd been served to the unsuspecting people of Paris.25900:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000For us.26000:15:11,000 --> 00:15:24,000This practice between the two men took place for years, and it wasn't until a young German student went missing that the life of crime that he had been living at began to crumble in 1387.26100:15:24,000 --> 00:15:34,000The police had no idea where to even begin to look for the missing student until they noticed something peculiar about this student's dog.26200:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000Okay.26300:15:35,000 --> 00:15:44,000The dog would stay outside the barber shop day and night, barking and seemingly waiting for his master to exit the building.26400:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,000It wasn't long before the police decided it was worth looking into.26500:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000That's when the basement of horrors was discovered.26600:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,000The butcher and barber were arrested, taken outside the city hall of Paris and soon hanged.26700:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,000As for the student's dog, he was awarded the Medal of Honor for solving the case.26800:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000Stop! It's so cute!26900:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000[Laughter]27000:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000I hope we got a good home.27100:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000Hope somebody like...27200:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000I do too.27300:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,000And as you mentioned, if you're thinking to yourself, that sounds familiar?27400:16:17,000 --> 00:16:25,000I'm not surprised as it inspired the tale of Sweeney Todd, who first appeared in a penny dreadful in 1847.27500:16:25,000 --> 00:16:32,000The location of Sweeney Todd changed from the then small city of Paris to the bustling city of London,27600:16:32,000 --> 00:16:41,000where barber Sweeney Todd partnered with his neighbor Mrs. Love It, whose pies were the worst in London before Sweeney showed up.27700:16:41,000 --> 00:16:49,000The story of the original butcher in barber in Paris may not be the true inspiration for the story of Sweeney Todd, however.27800:16:49,000 --> 00:16:55,000There are other reports of a similar tale taking place in the 17th century during the French Revolution,27900:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,000but there is no proof of any questionable murders taking place.28000:17:00,000 --> 00:17:06,000It is more likely that the British were trying to paint the French as barbaric cannibalistic commoners.28100:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,000They have been known to do stuff like that.28200:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000Yeah. Yeah.28300:17:12,000 --> 00:17:19,000Once upon a time in the UK, being able to afford a mincemeat pie meant you were doing rather well for yourself.28400:17:19,000 --> 00:17:28,000At that time, the pies were filled with savory meats like lamb or minced beef, which was a luxury that not everyone could indulge in.28500:17:28,000 --> 00:17:38,000One of the earliest mentions of a pie full of meat and spices appeared in an English cookbook from 1390 titled A Form of Curry,28600:17:38,000 --> 00:17:47,000which called for the maker to grind up pork, hard-boiled eggs and cheese before mixing in spices, saffron, and sugar.28700:17:47,000 --> 00:17:55,000At this point in history, meat pies would have been intended as a full meal, not as the small tart-like pastries that they are known.28800:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,000That makes sense. Yeah. So like a full chicken pat pat. Yeah.28900:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000A portable and party.29000:18:03,000 --> 00:18:10,000Around the mid-17th century is when mince pies seemed to start being tied to the holiday of Christmas,29100:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000although they were still enjoyed throughout the rest of the year.29200:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000And you're familiar with Oliver Cromwell, right?29300:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000Mm-hmm.29400:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000Yeah, that guy didn't like things that were festive.29500:18:20,000 --> 00:18:29,000[laughs] Shocker. And he had spiced treats of which mince meat pie was one made illegal.29600:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000Cool.29700:18:30,000 --> 00:18:36,000A 1661 book about the interregnum, aka when the Puritans ruled the country,29800:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000the author included a rhyme that goes as follows,29900:18:39,000 --> 00:18:45,000"All plums, the profit, sons, to fye, and spiced broths are too hot.30000:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,000Trees ends in a December pie and death within the pot."30100:18:50,000 --> 00:19:01,000In 1850, Washington Irving wrote, "Nearly two centuries had elapsed since the fiery persecution of poor mince pie throughout the land.30200:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,000One plumb porridge was denounced as mere poppery."30300:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000The war on pie.30400:19:06,000 --> 00:19:12,000By the mid-1800s, mince meat pies, sands meat, started to make an appearance,30500:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,000partially due to the fact that sugar was starting to become easier to acquire,30600:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000which ushered in the era of sweet pies.30700:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000Nice.30800:19:21,000 --> 00:19:27,000In 1861, a cookbook by Mrs. Beton provided directions on how to make meat pies,30900:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000as well as a sweet meat-free version.31000:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,000By the time that the Victorian era came along, mince pies were almost exclusively meat-free.31100:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000Regarding the story of the French butcher and baker,31200:19:39,000 --> 00:19:45,000a folk song was written in 1387, the same year that the pair were said to be executed,31300:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,000titled, "The Legend of the Barber and the Bloody Pastry Seller,"31400:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000that goes as follows.31500:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000"I don't know the rhymes, I'm just going to read it."31600:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000Quote.31700:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000And rue de du Hamal, near the Marmo say,31800:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,000"Were two occurs souls by their dreadful crimes,31900:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,000the bloodthirsty barber and reckless baker, discovered by a dog, making the world eat,32000:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,000by fruitful cruelty, the flesh of a Christian."32100:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000End.32200:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,000And to end on a fun note.32300:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000Okay.32400:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,000Yeah.32500:20:19,000 --> 00:20:26,000The law banning mince meat pies during the reign of Cromwell was never actually repealed.32600:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,000So it's a bit of a well-known fact that anyone who eats them in the UK32700:20:32,000 --> 00:20:38,000is actually breaking the law, but it's not something you're going to get arrested for.32800:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,000On that note, as always, I'm Lindsay, and I'm Madison,32900:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000and we'll see you next time with another tale,33000:20:46,000 --> 00:20:53,000as though this crime, happy holidays, happy holidays!33100:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000I may have just ate, but that story made me hungry.33200:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000You know what I'm saying?33300:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000Up top.33400:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000Oh, like it.33500:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000That's probably not super relatable for a mortal.33600:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000You may never eat again after what you've seen tonight, huh?33700:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000Phew.33800:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000I was afraid that awkward sounds was never going down.33900:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,000Good thing there's plenty of indie podcast content to keep you calm and keep me distracted from the hunger.34000:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,000And there's no better listening distraction than the delicious duo of Alicia and Sierra,34100:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000of Twisted and Uncorked.34200:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,000These ladies always deliver the best of serial killers, cults, conspiracies, or the paranormal.34300:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,000It looks like this is all about the history of Ebenezer's Scrooge.34400:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000I'm going to go ahead and press play.34500:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,000I need to distract myself from those human meat pies.34600:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000A Christmas Carol became particularly popular as well,34700:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,000because of the time it was released in.34800:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000People found it to be relatable.34900:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000Ghost stories were passed around a fire during this time of year, like we just said earlier,35000:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,000and this book contained just that.35100:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,000And it sold out by Christmas Eve.35200:21:55,000 --> 00:22:05,000Dickens was able to reestablish Christmas as a season of goodwill to all men in the hearts and minds of the people.35300:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,000A Christmas Carol inspired people to behave better towards one another.35400:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,000It is theorized that Ebenezer Scrooge was based off of a real man.35500:22:15,000 --> 00:22:22,000The most likely candidate is an 18th century British politician named John L. Wess,35600:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000who was notorious for his penny penching.35700:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000Penny penching.35800:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000I said, "Penny penching?"35900:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000I put the ironies.36000:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,000Anyway, you know it.36100:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,000John L. Wess was born in 1714 and inherited his first fortune36200:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000worth about $10 million today.36300:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000Cassie's pay is not fair.36400:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000It's a time.36500:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000At just four years old.36600:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000$10 million.36700:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000When his father passed away.36800:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000Sir.36900:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000Wow.37000:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000But if...37100:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000If...37200:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000I mean...37300:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,000Yes, four-year-olds, are you?37400:23:04,000 --> 00:23:11,000But if, as they say, a penny saved as a penny earned, John L. Wess was more like a billionaire.37500:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,000At a young age, John learned much of his frugal mindset from his uncle,37600:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,000though his mother, who reportedly starved to death because she refused to buy food37700:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000despite being rich.37800:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000Probably played a role as well.37900:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000Oh, I'm sorry, but...38000:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000That is just crazy to me.38100:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000The stakes for Galady to a whole new level.38200:23:33,000 --> 00:23:39,000John L. Wess and his uncle would sit around complaining about the way other people wasted money38300:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000while sharing a single glass of wine between them.38400:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000I was sitting here with a half-leather.38500:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000That's not enough wine.38600:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,000John would always go to bed as soon as the sun set, so he wouldn't have to pay for candles.38700:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000Oh, what?38800:23:55,000 --> 00:24:01,000Roadkill and would eat moldy food rather than letting it go to waste.38900:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000I mean, I kind of respect that because people are so wasteful, but no.39000:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000No.39100:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000Don't let go of waste.39200:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000This is trash.39300:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,000Yeah, on the side of the house that you should use to plant your own garden.39400:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,000Use it for something other than putting inside of you.39500:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,000Oh, I can smell it from here, I'm upset.39600:24:25,000 --> 00:24:33,000He wore ragged clothes, including a wig he found in a bush, and strangers often assumed39700:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,000he was a homeless beggar and would drop pennies in his hand.39800:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,000Oh, boy, she wears a bush wig.39900:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000The bush wig.40000:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,000The name of the episode.40100:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,000Jesus Christ.40200:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000John would walk in the rain rather than paying for a coach, and then he would sit around40300:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,000in his wet clothes rather than building a fire to drive them.40400:24:58,000 --> 00:25:05,000His roof leaped, and his lavish home fell to ruins around him, up until he died in 1789.40500:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000He was known to get in, right?40600:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,000He was known to get mad at birds who stole hay from his fields to build their nests.40700:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,000It honestly was a conversation to save as much as possible.40800:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000You can't take it with you, man.40900:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000Exactly.41000:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000Like for what?41100:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000For what?41200:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000Also, the birds are just doing their thing, okay?41300:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000They're being just as frugal as you.41400:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000You found a bush in a wig.41500:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000Why can't they find a hay in your field?41600:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,000Did you see a bush got a bush in a wig?41700:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,000Yeah, she got a hay in your field.41800:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000I love it.41900:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000A wig in a bush.42000:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000A wig in a bush.42100:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000You're a wig in a bush.42200:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000Oh, my goodness.42300:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,000Passed wigs.42400:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000Exactly.42500:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,000John ran for Parliament and served three terms.42600:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000Who the fuck voted for him?42700:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,000He was technically a member of the wig party.42800:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000No pun intended.42900:26:14,000 --> 00:26:21,000According to Wikipedia, the wigs wore a political faction and then a political party in the43000:26:21,000 --> 00:26:28,000Parliaments of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom.43100:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,000John would travel to Parliament via the long route to avoid toll roads and he would ride his43200:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000underfed horse to work.43300:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,000Sopping along the way to eat a hard boiled egg, he kept in his pocket.43400:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,000It's a little bit squished.43500:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,000It was very hard to know.43600:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000Okay.43700:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000Oh, hopefully it was for people.43800:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,000Everybody smelled.43900:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000So I don't think they noticed the whole world.44000:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000It's a bush wig.44100:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000They also ate it in the road.44200:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000You know, it's fine.44300:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,000I really hope that he shared part of that hard boiled egg with this horse though.44400:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000I doubt it.44500:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000Oh, he's just standing there.44600:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000He can have it's own food.44700:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000Did you ever eat the horse?44800:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000Yeah.44900:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000The habsis.45000:27:19,000 --> 00:27:25,000After a total of 12 years in Parliament, he decided to retire.45100:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,000Rather than continuing to spend money in his elections.45200:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,000The Scrooge comparisons start to fall apart though once you get past extreme personal45300:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000fragality.45400:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,000When it came to other people in his life, John L.45500:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000Wiz could be extremely generous with his money.45600:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000Interesting.45700:27:45,000 --> 00:27:53,000When his friends experience financial strengths, he would assist them with whatever they needed.45800:27:53,000 --> 00:28:01,000Oh, furthermore, while he would lend money freely, he was too polite to ever ask his friends to pay him back.45900:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000No, that sounds real dumb.46000:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000Yeah, you gotta have boundaries.46100:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000You gotta have boundaries.46200:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000It does sound like Jesse.46300:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000Minus the bush wig though.46400:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000Minus a barber.46500:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,000Well, then never mind.46600:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000I want nothing to do with that one.46700:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,000Mark, are you up here?46800:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000Oh shit, this must be the X-Crooge from Character from the Big City.46900:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000Hold on.47000:28:26,000 --> 00:28:35,000Ugh, sorry about that.47100:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,000Honestly, after the whole 8 in the pockets, there I wasn't really hungry.47200:28:38,000 --> 00:28:43,000But we still have a couple of stories left to go, and I hate when people interrupt my podcast.47300:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000You may have noticed some other voices in that last story.47400:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,000It turns out that story was a Christmas mashup between Twisted and Uncorked and another great show.47500:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000The PNW Haunts and Homicides.47600:28:52,000 --> 00:29:00,000They show a poster by Caitlyn and Cassie, and they specialize in all things true crime and paranormal, mostly happening around the Pacific Northwest.47700:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,000Actually, I have a few cryptic cousins that roam those forests.47800:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000And the hits keep coming.47900:29:06,000 --> 00:29:14,000This story from the NW Hansen Homicides is also from the same mashup, so you could hear a little more of the Twistediron Court ladies in this clip too.48000:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000Consider that my little gift to you.48100:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000It looks like we're going to learn about a murderous dentist in this one.48200:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000He had quickly become a pillar of that small town community.48300:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000Always.48400:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000Pillar to killer.48500:29:26,000 --> 00:29:33,000He was more than just a respected businessman in Roseburg, though.48600:29:33,000 --> 00:29:40,000He held memberships at the Elk's Lodge, and with the Roseburg Monthly Music Club.48700:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000Oh.48800:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000It sounds very wholesome, but I feel like you're going to...48900:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000You're going to shatter it.49000:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000Pretty much.49100:29:49,000 --> 00:29:58,000He was married to an attractive and beautiful woman, and the couple had three young boys.49200:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000On the 13th of July that same year,49300:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000Dental.49400:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000Yeah, that's his name.49500:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,000Toads.49600:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000Might as well be.49700:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000Yeah.49800:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000It's going to say is that actually his name, though, because...49900:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000That's why he chose that profession.50000:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000Yeah.50100:30:20,000 --> 00:30:31,000Dennis Russell was hired under the pretense of Dr. Brumfield needing assistance with removing some tree stumps from his property.50200:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000Or the tree stumps or were their bodies?50300:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000Good question.50400:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000Okay.50500:30:40,000 --> 00:30:49,000Dennis was a well-liked and unmarried man, though he was not known for his wit or intellect in particular.50600:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000So obviously it wasn't going...50700:30:52,000 --> 00:30:59,000It wasn't going to be difficult for the doctor to disguise his true intentions.50800:30:59,000 --> 00:31:07,000And in this case, the truth is certainly stranger than any fantastical fictional tale I could have imagined.50900:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000Oh, say that sometimes.51000:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000I love this as a prelude, though.51100:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000Yeah, absolutely.51200:31:15,000 --> 00:31:28,000You see the image that Dr. Brumfield had projected to the community of a wholesome, prosperous, and all-American family was indeed at least in part of fabrication.51300:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,000For you see, the good doctor did find himself in a bad habit.51400:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000In a bad bit of money trouble.51500:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000Oh.51600:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000I was like, "Oh no, a bad habit."51700:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000Oh, a bad habit.51800:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000We got a bad habit.51900:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000Well, killing people usually is a bad habit, but...52000:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000And he has.52100:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000Arguably one of the worst.52200:31:51,000 --> 00:31:58,000His plans for Dennis lied in using his corpse to fake his own death.52300:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000Yeah.52400:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000Exactly.52500:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000Dennis!52600:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000Oh, I was really hoping he was just going to be in a conversation.52700:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000Yeah.52800:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,000That would have been probably Dennis's preference, but...52900:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000Poor Dennis.53000:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000No.53100:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000Or IP Dennis slushed dentist.53200:32:15,000 --> 00:32:24,000He had a $30,000 life insurance policy and had also taken out two separate loans from Roseburg Banks.53300:32:24,000 --> 00:32:35,000Insurance schemes, as one might surmise, he may have already learned, were a far more lucrative way to make a quick buck than any other occupation.53400:32:35,000 --> 00:32:42,000He'd actually already previously received payments for homes that had been burned to the ground.53500:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,000So this is our wholesome dentist who's just, you know, lighten shit on fire.53600:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000A huge con man, why not?53700:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000Yeah.53800:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000Pretty wild.53900:32:53,000 --> 00:33:03,000The handyman Dennis had been offered a bottle of moonshine when the doctor arrived to pick up him up at his home.54000:33:03,000 --> 00:33:18,000In hindsight, it probably would have been a good idea to hold off on the day drinking until after he'd finished his work, you know, blowing up tree stumps, clean out of the ground with dynamite.54100:33:18,000 --> 00:33:26,000But of course, Dennis didn't have the benefit of knowledge that the moonshine had also been laced with some sort of sedative.54200:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000So questionable choice.54300:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000Oh, sure.54400:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000Oh my gosh.54500:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000So he just starts drinking before work.54600:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000Yeah.54700:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,000But you got to feel bad for the guy once you find out what's next.54800:33:41,000 --> 00:34:05,000When Dennis had succumbed to the power of the tainted spirits, Dr. Brumfield took him about a mile down the road in his personal vehicle and not for a picnic to bludgeon him with 30 Remington semi auto rifle that he had also packed up for this errand.54900:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000Oh my gosh.55000:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000Oh, I'm bludgeoning with a rifle.55100:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000You realize that's a gun, right?55200:34:12,000 --> 00:34:18,000I mean, I'm not going to tell you how to murder somebody, but I feel you did it the heart.55300:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000Yeah.55400:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000Just like, come on.55500:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000Yikes.55600:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000There's such an obvious cheat code here.55700:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000A hundred percent.55800:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000Oh my god.55900:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000Well, I mean guns and rosemary.56000:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000Rosemary.56100:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,000Rosemary.56200:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000No.56300:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000Poor Dennis.56400:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000I know.56500:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000I was really starting to like it.56600:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000I know.56700:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000I was really starting to become attached.56800:34:43,000 --> 00:34:51,000Making a second stop further along the road, Dr. Brumfield shot Dennis twice with that same rifle.56900:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000Even in a rural community gunfire could draw attention.57000:34:54,000 --> 00:35:05,000So he quickly sped away from this second location, which Roseberg is still pretty small here in Oregon, like compared to a city like Portland.57100:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000So I was kind of surprised.57200:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,000I was like, why are you so worried about getting caught?57300:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,000Like, isn't everybody just out shooting guns like, piffy.57400:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000Yep.57500:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000Old time, Westerny.57600:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000Yeah, that's what they sound like.57700:35:21,000 --> 00:35:29,000So in my experience, which is zero.57800:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,000So he just drove away.57900:35:35,000 --> 00:35:41,000Well, he did just drive away, but unfortunately he did take Dennis with him.58000:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000Yeah.58100:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000What?58200:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000Yeah.58300:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000So he shoots him and then he takes him away.58400:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000He beat him.58500:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000And then he was like, oh wait, this is a gun.58600:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000And then he shoots him.58700:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000And then he's like, oh no, I'm going to get caught.58800:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000Come on, let's go.58900:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000Why?59000:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000I don't serve.59100:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,000Yeah, I think probably at this point, he wasn't really asking Dennis nicely.59200:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000He was probably just shoving him back into the trunk.59300:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,000But who knows?59400:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000Poor Dennis.59500:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000I'd be like, fuck you.59600:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000No.59700:36:09,000 --> 00:36:16,000I mean, assuming that Dennis was even conscious, I feel like Yikes.59800:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000Okay.59900:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,000Can I just say, I have an S.60000:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000What is it called?60100:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,000A prediction?60200:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000Oh, of what is going to happen next?60300:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000Oh, I like it.60400:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000And I don't think it's actually going to happen, but it would be hilarious.60500:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000Don't spoil there.60600:36:31,000 --> 00:36:38,000Because is there a trail of blood that follows his vehicle all the way back to where he is?60700:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000Is this going to get even more loo-loo need you?60800:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000Right.60900:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000It feels like a cartoon.61000:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000Oh, it's, it honestly gets more cartoony.61100:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000Oh gosh.61200:36:50,000 --> 00:36:57,000That specific explanation would be just, shuff's kiss, but no.61300:36:57,000 --> 00:37:09,000It wasn't until he reached the river that the doctor made a third stop to remove each and every tooth from Dennis' mouth.61400:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000No.61500:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000No.61600:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000Oh, that's Sarah's worst nightmare.61700:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000So he's a dentist because he's literally a psycho.61800:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000Yeah.61900:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000Oh my god.62000:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000I never trusted that in a joint circle.62100:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000It's my best guess anyway.62200:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,000So the weird part though, Sarah has a thing about you.62300:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000I get it.62400:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,000I get it.62500:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000It's horrifying.62600:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,000I can't stop like goose bumps.62700:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000That seems like a lot of work.62800:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000Yeah.62900:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000Yeah.63000:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000How many teeth the adults have?63100:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000Like 25?63200:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000He may have had up to 32.63300:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000Oh.63400:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,000It's 32 with your wisdom teeth, 28 without.63500:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000Okay.63600:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,000I'm one of the weird.63700:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000I never stopped to count my teeth, but I'm glad you knew that.63800:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000I'm the chopper head because that wasn't even close.63900:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000I'll tell you why after we're done.64000:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000I'm going to message you guys how many teeth I actually have.64100:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000And you can just take a quick count and get back to us.64200:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000That'd be great.64300:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000Doing some research.64400:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,000Yeah.64500:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000Yeah, absolutely.64600:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000Oh no.64700:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000Well, it gets weirder though.64800:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,000And that's just on this third stop before we move on to more weirdness.64900:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000Of course.65000:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000There's levels and layers.65100:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,000It's like an onion of weird criminal activity.65200:38:34,000 --> 00:38:40,000He then threw those teeth into the current of the river.65300:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000Why?65400:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000What was the point?65500:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000It's making my eyes...65600:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,000It's making my eyes...65700:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000Oh, I have to get rid of DNA.65800:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,000Well, I mean, there's nobody's testing DNA back then.65900:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000So I was kind of thinking this way.66000:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000It's 1921.66100:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000That's...66200:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000I forgot what timeline was.66300:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000Exactly.66400:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000Couldn't they still identify people by dental records back then?66500:38:59,000 --> 00:39:06,000I don't think that you could really identify someone by dental records back then because...66600:39:06,000 --> 00:39:12,000At least in part, I think that they use your X-rays when they do that.66700:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000That's right.66800:39:13,000 --> 00:39:19,000But I think the most that they knew was if they have a gold tooth, they must have money.66900:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000Right.67000:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,000Right.67100:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000We're dental records.67200:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000Just like somebody looking at a dead guy's mouth.67300:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000Like, yeah, that looks like those.67400:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,000She makes them bite something and then the dead person bites.67500:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000Yeah, the bite is the same.67600:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000Well, obviously, Ken would not do that here.67700:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000He has no azerotis.67800:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,000Goodness.67900:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000Oh, goodness.68000:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000No.68100:39:43,000 --> 00:39:51,000So, Highway 99, which normally I would say this may sound familiar to local listeners.68200:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,000I don't know if you have any listeners in the BMW, probably.68300:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000I hope so, Laura.68400:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,000I'm not representing very well.68500:40:02,000 --> 00:40:12,000But on Highway 99 is where he pulled over yet again to place his "signit" ring on the man's finger.68600:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000Now, that's what I call a cliffhanger.68700:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000Putting his ring back on his victim.68800:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000Is this a calling cart thing?68900:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000Or is he trying to disguise the victim that passes him?69000:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000I'll have to send you with the full episode on that one so you can see how it ends.69100:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000It looks like our final story is done downloading.69200:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000I know you've heard a lot about messed up stuff this evening.69300:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,000But how about hearing from a podcast called That's So F*** Up?69400:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000Wow, that was unusually a lot of traffic.69500:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000The final show that I downloaded is called That's So F*** Up.69600:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000And it's hosted by Ashley Love Richards.69700:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000She covers all things bizarre and all around.69800:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000Well, F*** Up.69900:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000Hopefully you can stand up one more holiday story.70000:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000That's that, F***.70100:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000So, you guys, this is Ashley Love Richards.70200:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000You know me, I'm your host.70300:40:56,000 --> 00:41:04,000And today, I'm joined by one of my audio engineers and friends for over a year and a half.70400:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000We have been on this ride together for a hot second.70500:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000It's been a great ride too.70600:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,000Who are you?70700:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000My name is Gatres Monique Perdue.70800:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000I loved it that rhymed.70900:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000Thank you.71000:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000I know.71100:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,000So I googled Christmas cult just in case.71200:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,000And wouldn't you know that I found something super f***ing weird?71300:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,000So I found this thing, Gatres, called the Gracious Choir.71400:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000Gracious Choir?71500:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000Yeah.71600:41:34,000 --> 00:41:45,000But the leader of the Gracious Choir and the good news mission and the International Youth Fellowship, aka the IYF,71700:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,000well, he's originally from Korea and only speaks Korean.71800:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000He has an interpreter with him at all times.71900:41:52,000 --> 00:42:02,000But I swear to God, he just made all of these different names to throw people off because it was so hard to figure out what the f*** was going on here.72000:42:02,000 --> 00:42:10,000So, shout out to our researcher, Elizabeth, for really digging in and finding out what was going on here.72100:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,000Because I just said, I don't know really, you know, and then she looked into it.72200:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,000I looked into it more, but she just found a lot of really great information because I was like, what the f*** is going on here?72300:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000Sorry, dang it.72400:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000And his name is Gracious Choir.72500:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000His name is Aksu Park.72600:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,000And he was born in June of 1944, which makes him 79 today.72700:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,000He founded a choir called the Gracious Choir.72800:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,000Okay.72900:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,000Which is just like a little bit confusing because of the Korean origins.73000:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000Yeah, and it's the thank you choir if they were somewhere Spanish.73100:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,000A Spanish-speaking country.73200:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000Exactly.73300:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000I can see why you're throwing off.73400:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000Yeah.73500:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000Gracious to your researcher.73600:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000Right.73700:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,000I mean, thank you.73800:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000Gracious means I love you.73900:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,000No.74000:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000I mean, thank you.74100:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000I think most people know that.74200:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,000Yes.74300:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,000Aksu Park was born in June of 1944.74400:43:07,000 --> 00:43:20,000He was a student at the San Son Middle School, which is where he was connected with the WEC International in England, which was the worldwide evangelization for Christ.74500:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,000Good stuff.74600:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,000Uh-huh.74700:43:22,000 --> 00:43:28,000So I actually just watched a really good documentary on HBO.74800:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000Okay.74900:43:29,000 --> 00:43:39,000It was called Savior Complex, and it's about a woman who starts a missionary in Uganda when she's I think about 21 years old and starts a75000:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000refeeding program from our nourished children.75100:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000And basically, I don't want to give too much away.75200:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,000The mortality rate at her facility.75300:43:48,000 --> 00:43:58,000It was in the same ballpark as at real hospitals because sadly about one tenth or more of children who get malnourished and updying.75400:43:58,000 --> 00:44:10,000As a the end result sadly, and she had this facility running, but she would wear a stethoscope and sometimes a doctor's coat.75500:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000She had no medical training whatsoever.75600:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000Never took a fucking EMT course.75700:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,000She was running this center for, I don't know, half a dozen years or more.75800:44:19,000 --> 00:44:27,000And she had doctors and nurses around who were trained medical professionals, but they interviewed a girl who had75900:44:27,000 --> 00:44:35,000volunteered there and other people that they interviewed to said that she would just step in and be like, "No, no, this is how you do it."76000:44:35,000 --> 00:44:42,000Telling the doctors and nurses to do something this way when she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.76100:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,000That sounds about right.76200:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000She's got some kind of complex on.76300:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000You can say that sounds about white.76400:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000I know what you want to say.76500:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,000[Laughter]76600:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000Oh, you knew it.76700:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,000Well, let's be honest.76800:44:57,000 --> 00:45:03,000You know, it's white missionaries for the most part going over to Africa a lot of times.76900:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000Yes.77000:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,000Because God put it on their heart and don't get me wrong.77100:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,000Some of it is good because, you know what, if you want to do good, give them money.77200:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000Help money flow into their economy.77300:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,000Not so much just hand over the money to the government because unfortunately many governments are very corrupt.77400:45:22,000 --> 00:45:33,000But if she had all this money flowing in from donors, she should have been giving that to the hospitals in the surrounding areas that have real doctors and medical facilities.77500:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000Exactly.77600:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,000But she definitely seemed to have, well, a savior complex, which is the name of the documentary.77700:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000And everybody's like, "Why are you going off about this right now?"77800:45:41,000 --> 00:45:51,000Because she was a missionary and the worldwide evangelization for Christ was an inter-denominational mission agent.77900:45:51,000 --> 00:46:01,000That was a mission agency that focused on evangelism, discipleship, and church planting to share the gospel cross culturally.78000:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000That's what I don't like.78100:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000Keep your gospel to yourself.78200:46:04,000 --> 00:46:14,000You want to go help people in third world countries by donating some time or money, food, food, you know, whatever.78300:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000But don't go force religion on them.78400:46:17,000 --> 00:46:25,000Especially while they're like suffering and it seems like the only way they're going to get that help is if they convert to what you want them to convert.78500:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000Right.78600:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000Listen to me talk all day long about this and then maybe I'll feed you.78700:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000No, exactly.78800:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,000You get the help but with a side of Christ.78900:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000Also a side of a non-medical advice.79000:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000Yeah.79100:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,000Probably.79200:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,000I didn't go to school and let me come and operate on you.79300:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000And there's one woman whose child died.79400:46:47,000 --> 00:46:53,000She came from a small village and she said I had heard about a white woman who had a facility.79500:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,000And when I got there and met her, she had a stethoscope on.79600:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000She looked like she knew what she was doing.79700:46:59,000 --> 00:47:10,000So she was going into areas where people weren't very educated and presenting herself as a medical professional and had a bunch of children die at her hands.79800:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,000And that's the thing I want to be fair about is that statistically that many could have died in a hospital as well.79900:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,000It's just like the whole savior complex bullshit.80000:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000And I'm bringing that up because what is evangelism?80100:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000You ask a truce.80200:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000What is evangelism?80300:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,000Thank you.80400:47:26,000 --> 00:47:39,000Yeah, I will tell you it's the act of preaching or communicating the gospel and teaching of Jesus to non-believers with the goal of converting as many people as possible and helping them discover their trooper.80500:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000Trooper is in life loving Jesus.80600:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000There's not like strict rules about it.80700:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,000You just preach about the Bible and obviously this can be abused pretty quickly.80800:47:49,000 --> 00:47:57,000And I found these adorable evangelical twins who run a for-profit mission business.80900:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,000Who are these twins?81000:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,000The Benham brothers.81100:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,000And it's a profit.81200:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000It's a for-profit mission business and they call it mission hearing.81300:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,000Isn't that the exact opposite of what that she's supposed to be?81400:48:09,000 --> 00:48:16,000I mean, not mocking them, but I've seen the missions in neighborhoods walking with their tie, the white shirt.81500:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000They've never stopped to talk to me though.81600:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000I think that's Mormons you're talking about.81700:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000Oh, that's definitely their look.81800:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000But yeah, what they are doing is evangelizing.81900:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000Well, are they preaching about Jesus in the Bible?82000:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000Maybe they're just spreading the word.82100:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,000They're spreading the word.82200:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000I feel like that's similar.82300:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,000I feel that one can open up their heart to Jesus if they like.82400:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000I've been a church a couple of times.82500:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000Yeah, no, I've been a couple of times.82600:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000Yeah.82700:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000Sorry.82800:48:42,000 --> 00:48:57,000So he officially joined the missionary program in 1962 and was trained in theology and the practical life of faith based on the gospel.82900:48:57,000 --> 00:49:09,000Aksu does mostly public speaking and sermons to preach his gospel and he has also written 38 books related to Christianity.83000:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,000Okay.83100:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,000Where does one get the time to write 38 books?83200:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000I can't imagine they're that good.83300:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000He spired up about the Lord.83400:49:18,000 --> 00:49:25,000But also Stephen King writes pretty amazing books and he's written a double crooked S-tun.83500:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000That's just for you, girl.83600:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,000Thank you.83700:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000Cricut letters.83800:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,000And now he's dedicated to spreading his gospel across the world for everyone to hear.83900:49:36,000 --> 00:49:44,000It's an important note that his ministry is seen as a cult in South Korea where he's originally from.84000:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000Also, kind of Colt-y.84100:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000He thinks he's a prophet.84200:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,000So, you know, whatever rolls off his tongue is the truth.84300:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,000You know, it's always kind of interesting when somebody's a prophet.84400:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,000It's weird how they think the world should be a certain way.84500:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,000And that's weirdly exactly how Jesus thinks that the world should be a certain way.84600:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,000The way that they think, you know, yeah, I could tell you, Gatress, I can't be wrong.84700:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000Everything I say now is right because Jesus came and qualified me to do this.84800:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000Oh, I want to do an episode called Dangerous Bible Verses.84900:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,000Like ones that people often use to justify some bullshit.85000:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,000And the one that Renee Bach from Savior Complex used was,85100:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000God doesn't call the qualified.85200:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000He qualifies the called.85300:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000And is that in the Bible?85400:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000I don't know, Gatress.85500:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000If it is though, that's not good.85600:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000I don't think it is.85700:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,000I have not read through the whole thing, but I don't think God was using phrases like that.85800:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000First would be "Dai Dao".85900:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,000I think I'm on chapter three or four of the Bible or book.86000:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000I'm on chapter four.86100:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000I was about to say, like I think it's by the books.86200:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,000I've been learning about the Bible now for, I don't know, eight months.86300:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,000Yeah.86400:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,000And I'm still.86500:51:03,000 --> 00:51:09,000But I do know what you mean by that because when people get married or they're like honor that husband,86600:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,000you know, my husband, he's cool, whatever, but honor and listen to everything he says.86700:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,000No.86800:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000Wait a minute, he might listen to this episode.86900:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,000Love you.87000:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,000Whatever.87100:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,000He knows who he married.87200:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,000He does know.87300:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,000But yeah, or no, maybe it's Obey your husband.87400:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000I'm sorry.87500:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000I'm a human woman.87600:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000Yeah.87700:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000No, I don't like that.87800:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000You know what?87900:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000Tell me.88000:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,000I don't like to obey anyone.88100:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000Yeah.88200:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,000Exactly.88300:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,000Because it's like, oh, if you tell me to do something, I'm going to do the opposite.88400:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,000Exactly.88500:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000And then I just say, what do you want to say?88600:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,000Exactly.88700:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,000Thank you.88800:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000I got you.88900:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,000We're symbiotic at this point from working together for so long.89000:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000By, um, see it eye to eye.89100:51:56,000 --> 00:52:08,000So the worldwide evangelization for Christ, WEC, is what I'm going to call it now because I'm not going to keep saying that, was founded in 1913 by Charles Stodd.89200:52:08,000 --> 00:52:15,000And American evangelist.89300:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,000He created the heart of Africa mission in his 50s.89400:52:19,000 --> 00:52:28,000He stated that if Jesus died for him, then he should be able to make endless sacrifices in his own life to return the favor.89500:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,000And this was all relating back to personal health problem he had.89600:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000You know, this is my cross to bear.89700:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000Jesus had to die for his sins.89800:52:36,000 --> 00:52:44,000And I have asthma, you know, no, I don't know if it was asthma, but also I don't want to diminish how scary asthma is.89900:52:44,000 --> 00:52:52,000I can't imagine having something where it's just like, yeah, and then sometimes all the sudden I can't do that thing that you need to do to keep living to breathe.90000:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,000Yeah.90100:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,000Mm hmm.90200:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000Shit.90300:52:55,000 --> 00:53:11,000So heart of Africa was then renamed WEC International. And once this change happened, their goal was to have a worldwide effect to reach every person on the planet who did not yet have Jesus in their heart.90400:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,000Or at least who hadn't heard about him, you know, I guess you at least got to hear about this guy.90500:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,000And then hopefully you bring into his heart.90600:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000Have you heard about my friend Jesus?90700:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,000He's the bomb.90800:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000I would love to hear more about him.90900:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,000Tell me more.91000:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000I'm not going to tell you more about Jesus.91100:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,000Okay.91200:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000But I am going to tell you more about this weird Christmas choir.91300:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,000Hold.91400:53:32,000 --> 00:53:45,000This organization is where Park got his extreme ideology and is trying to enforce the same objectives with the foundations that he's created.91500:53:45,000 --> 00:53:54,000Their objectives are reaching as many people as possible, planting as many churches as possible, and mobilizing missions around the world.91600:53:54,000 --> 00:54:05,000Because we've seen how well missions have gone in, you know, it's generally really cool how they go to indigenous groups and push colonization on them.91700:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,000Pretty chill.91800:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,000And make them change.91900:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000Yeah, against their will.92000:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000Mm hmm.92100:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,000Our principles are faith.92200:54:15,000 --> 00:54:23,000You have to trust that God will supply all you need sacrifice because they believe that the Holy Spirit enables them to obey what Jesus says.92300:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,000And that will be able to endure any struggle that they're faced with.92400:54:27,000 --> 00:54:32,000Fuck this shit just like so is breeding ground for abuse.92500:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,000Sacrifice.92600:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000Yeah, you can endure that.92700:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000And it's because it's a part of God's plan.92800:54:37,000 --> 00:54:46,000And the holiness, the Holy Spirit lives inside of them and allows them to honor God in all that they ask, say, think and do fellowship as well.92900:54:46,000 --> 00:54:53,000Their belief in Jesus makes it so that they can work together as a team regardless of any other differences.93000:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,000So it's like, hey, put that massage knee or whatever aside because we're here for Jesus.93100:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,000And we're going to enjoy working together in theory.93200:55:01,000 --> 00:55:10,000So the good news mission was founded in 1972 and they run several churches in South Korea and also send missionaries abroad.93300:55:10,000 --> 00:55:16,000There are now over 350 good news mission churches around the world.93400:55:16,000 --> 00:55:40,000They're independent baptists which are generally fundamentalist baptists. And if you guys know anything about the IFB or the independent fundamentalist baptists in the United States, they are fucked like as fucked as the IBLP bill gothard Institute for basic life principles, all that stuff.93500:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000I'm not familiar with the fundamental.93600:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,000Don't say that because you will know if you still listen to any of the show.93700:55:47,000 --> 00:55:53,000You should listen to the fundamentalist segment though. It's like really interesting or you should watch shiny happy people.93800:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,000I did watch shiny happy people. Okay. That's the IBLP bill gothard.93900:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000Oh snap. Okay.94000:55:59,000 --> 00:56:14,000So the I have been independent fundamentalist baptists are very similar to the IBLP. So if these are independent baptists, a K fundamentalist baptists coming to do missionary work at your place of living.94100:56:14,000 --> 00:56:20,000That's fucking terrifying. That's not even like a super benevolent kind of Christianity.94200:56:20,000 --> 00:56:27,000I'm sure there are missions that are a lot nicer but I would assume that this is a pretty fucking intense one.94300:56:27,000 --> 00:56:36,000It was started from the faith of forgiveness of sins that pastor oxu park received by the grace of God lucky him.94400:56:36,000 --> 00:56:44,000Facing poverty, coldness and hunger, he received the great dream and the promise of preaching gospel all around the world.94500:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,000And Gatress guess what he uses to spread his message.94600:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000Tell me the Christmas cantata choir.94700:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,000Oh, okay.94800:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,000And that's what makes this a Christmas cold. I wouldn't have guessed it. I should have guessed it though, but that was a good one.94900:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,000No, I mean, how would you have guessed it? It's pretty fucking out there. Let's be real.95000:57:04,000 --> 00:57:12,000So the gracias or gracias if you're in other Spanish speaking countries choir was founded in 2000.95100:57:12,000 --> 00:57:18,000Park now uses this group to travel with and spread his message while on international tours.95200:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,000And these happen yearly between October and November.95300:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,000And these tours were two months long. Yeah, a couple months. He's in high demand.95400:57:27,000 --> 00:57:33,000There are several stories from those who have attended, which I'll talk a little bit more about later.95500:57:33,000 --> 00:57:43,000And most don't have great things to say about their experience. They're a traveling international choir of all ages, nationalities and backgrounds.95600:57:43,000 --> 00:57:55,000They perform classics to contemporary to fucking whatever bullshit. They'll sing traditional songs in people's respective countries.95700:57:55,000 --> 00:58:02,000So they all do police Navidad. What did that like for sure be in the fucking rotation though?95800:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,000Yeah, I mean, I like the song, but I would think if you're going to be traveling to Mexico.95900:58:07,000 --> 00:58:21,000Police Navidad. Police Navidad. Police Navidad.96000:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,000ProSpero on your EF-A-L-C-Dod.96100:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000I want to wish you a happy festival.96200:58:28,000 --> 00:58:42,000From the bottom of my heart. Boom. Okay, that was really fun. Christina, that was beautiful.96300:58:42,000 --> 00:58:54,000I was going to say you said that they were in high demand. I wonder if they're selling out in this go field for $900 like other people were.96400:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000Nevermind. I don't want to go there.96500:58:57,000 --> 00:59:05,000I'm going to be careful. I know. I'm not. You best watch what you say. I respect her. She's smart. You better not go a step further.96600:59:05,000 --> 00:59:11,000You're going down a dangerous road right now. Okay, let me tell you don't have no sweep these after me. Shoot.96700:59:11,000 --> 00:59:21,000Okay, so when I hear this, this scares me because I was in a choir that I quit because the director was so mean and it was actually a class for credit.96800:59:21,000 --> 00:59:34,000And me and a handful of other people went to someone else in the department and said, you please have to let us out of this class or let us do something alternative because he's abusive.96900:59:34,000 --> 00:59:46,000Because when you are pursuing excellence in the artistry of emotional purification, education and international fellowship through classical music.97000:59:46,000 --> 00:59:57,000Things are going to be out fucking intense. That's all I'm saying and you need perfection. No, you do. And that's why I was like, I got to get out of here. Yeah, because you wanted it to be perfect.97100:59:57,000 --> 01:00:05,000But often the pursuit of perfection can get pretty intense, especially when it's coming from my charismatic leader.97201:00:05,000 --> 01:00:21,000So it was incorporated in 2013. And since then in 2015, the Garossi is choir won the highest prize at the Mark to Birdorf International choral competition in Germany.97301:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,000Oh, so they're really good in Germany.97401:00:24,000 --> 01:00:38,000Yeah, and that comes at a price to the performers I'm guessing. So they have grown into a world where they're now in choir winning multiple first prize awards across the globe.97501:00:38,000 --> 01:00:49,000Can I tell you something always? Thank you. It may be think of sister act like this guy is coming and building this choir except for sister act was fun.97601:00:49,000 --> 01:01:03,000I haven't seen sister act in so long. Yeah, they were choir put together and then they end up winning the competitions. And you're saying that the Garcia choir leader the grossiest choir.97701:01:03,000 --> 01:01:09,000The grossiest choir leader. He built something good. What you call the Garcia. Garcia.97801:01:09,000 --> 01:01:18,000Oops, I did it again. Somebody's got grateful dad on their mind. That was not good. Oopsie. Anyways, the Rossi's choir leader.97901:01:18,000 --> 01:01:25,000We let them to perfection. Yeah, which he probably feels pretty good about. And those people on the choir probably don't well.98001:01:25,000 --> 01:01:32,000I don't know who doesn't like winning awards cage restless fereal. This is true. But at what price exactly.98101:01:32,000 --> 01:01:44,000So they provide classes and education for music related programs around the world. And they engage in charity concerts and promote non governmental,98201:01:44,000 --> 01:01:58,000cultural exchange. You guys know that I'm the first one to say be wary of the government. But also be wary of people who were like, hey, fuck the government come over here. We have the answers like, you know, balance.98301:01:58,000 --> 01:02:19,000Fire beware. And then there's the international youth fellowship established in 2001 and like some bullshit mind control thing raising leaders with global insight through youth education activities and realistic solutions to problems in the global village.98401:02:19,000 --> 01:02:38,000And it just sounds like a were raising leaders. It sounds very sketch Coltie as hell. Yeah. So a lot of these experiences are from Reddit. So I can't totally verify them. But let's pretend that I could because I did reach out to somebody who did not get back to me.98501:02:38,000 --> 01:02:48,000Wait a minute. These are experiences of people that were in the choir. No, people who attended. Oh, okay. So we're getting their reviews. Yeah.98601:02:48,000 --> 01:03:04,000So what woman said that her and her boyfriend attended the Christmas cantada and that they had received free tickets from their land lady. The show was at the beginning of October, which is weirdly early for a Christmas show.98701:03:04,000 --> 01:03:17,000And apparently the show started with a clip about the choir itself and how successful it was. And then it turned into a life lesson about how awful the recent shootings have been specifically the one in Las Vegas.98801:03:17,000 --> 01:03:27,000It then circled back around and said that their show had perfect timing because they were there to bring people hope again after such tragic events.98901:03:27,000 --> 01:03:41,000Following the video, a man came out on the stage and welcomed everyone and says why they're all there, which is obviously Jesus Christ. But you know, it's somewhat typical for a Christmas message.99001:03:41,000 --> 01:03:52,000Then they do the actual concert and it was broken up into three acts. The birth of Jesus several Christmas stories and a musical performance.99101:03:52,000 --> 01:04:03,000Overall, the couple thought the performance itself was great, but that the writing of the story was awful. Like it was trying really hard to promote a message.99201:04:03,000 --> 01:04:12,000So they were performing beautiful music, but it was also like, what is this fucking message that you guys are trying to spread with that?99301:04:12,000 --> 01:04:22,000They were essentially at a church service with a flashy set and some extra music after the second act. They then brought oxoo park out to speak.99401:04:22,000 --> 01:04:33,000His sermon lasted for 30 minutes where he just kind of got really ranty and said that we need to follow Jesus or the bad things will happen.99501:04:33,000 --> 01:04:44,000The couple thought this was really weird at this point, so they leave and all of the staff gives them confused looks as like why are you leaving early and that was the end of their experience.99601:04:44,000 --> 01:04:59,000The event they attended was entirely staffed by i.f. and good mission members. They said that the entire event was promoted very lightly that the real agenda came out when everybody was seated.99701:04:59,000 --> 01:05:14,000Like so it's like hey come to our Christmas concert. Listen to us sing fun Christmas music. Okay, so these people got their tickets for free. Yeah, and it's very interesting that people were confused as to why they would leave the show early.99801:05:14,000 --> 01:05:21,000They wanted to see some people singing. Yeah, they didn't want to sit there and listen to this man rant and I'm done.99901:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000Exactly. Right.100001:05:23,000 --> 01:05:32,000And he's weirdly speaking Korean and having somebody in terms of. Oh snap. I can't believe I forgot about that part exactly.100101:05:32,000 --> 01:05:42,000It just brings a little bit of even more interesting aspect to it. This is another story from Reddit and it's from is raw man.100201:05:42,000 --> 01:05:49,000They asked for a shout out when we asked for permission to use the story. So what's up. Thank you for letting us use your story.100301:05:49,000 --> 01:06:00,000Oh, shout out. This person was a part of the IYF good mission call for six years. So it's some reviews and some in house experiences first.100401:06:00,000 --> 01:06:07,000He had a count. Yeah, they helped manage and organize the events and even became a spokesperson because she spoke Spanish.100501:06:07,000 --> 01:06:19,000She says that she saw some sketchy stuff going on under the surface. Park made the group do commitment offerings on top of normal tithing done in Christian culture.100601:06:19,000 --> 01:06:28,000And this was used to fund events. So I think tithing traditionally it's like you give 10% of your income to the church or something. Yes.100701:06:28,000 --> 01:06:43,000But whatever then you had to do also commitment offerings on top of that and they were made to perform free labor. You know handing out promotional material working on construction on new properties.100801:06:43,000 --> 01:06:53,000They brought making the food for the gatherings. It was definitely a goal. This sounds very familiar. Right. Yes. We've heard these hallmarks before.100901:06:53,000 --> 01:07:01,000The congregation was made to feel like they couldn't leave because if they did they would lose everything and go to hell.101001:07:01,000 --> 01:07:11,000The person who has since left said that people who wanted to escape would run away in the middle of the night. This is a Christmas choir.101101:07:11,000 --> 01:07:21,000Yeah, and you can't leave freely during the day. No, it's the Christmas choir is just what they use to spread their gospel.101201:07:21,000 --> 01:07:29,000And if wives and children left usually the men would stay and pray that they would return and they believed it was a trial from God.101301:07:29,000 --> 01:07:35,000And if their families didn't return, they would then be placed in a new marriage so they wouldn't be alone.101401:07:35,000 --> 01:07:42,000So organized marriages as well. And this happened to several people from all different levels of the organization.101501:07:42,000 --> 01:07:54,000Also some good old fashioned mental abuse. Their goal was to try and break you so you don't leave. They would throw insults at people and be as nasty as possible to keep everyone in line.101601:07:54,000 --> 01:08:03,000They were taught to hate and abuse others out of love. You know, tough love. Even if that wasn't what was needed, it's still what should be applied.101701:08:03,000 --> 01:08:17,000This reminds me so much of the troubled teen industry right now. It's crazy. And people are afraid to leave because park claims that he's a prophet and that God was using him on earth.101801:08:17,000 --> 01:08:23,000And obviously people don't want to go to hell, you know. And you're right. This is the choir. Did they live in a compound?101901:08:23,000 --> 01:08:30,000Dude, this just like really hard to find information on. Okay. I don't know. We should have been playing Colt Bingo though, but we would have won.102001:08:30,000 --> 01:08:46,000Totally. I found this in an Amazon book review. A guy said that he was super into the good mission group. So he spoke to parks nephew who is also a pastor at a church in LA.102101:08:46,000 --> 01:08:58,000And found that it was wrong if you ask for forgiveness. Your faith isn't strong enough or you lack faith if you're asking for forgiveness because you should just trust God or Jesus or somebody.102201:08:58,000 --> 01:09:07,000And Jesus doesn't save you if you ask for forgiveness because you're not just blindly trusting enough. He confirmed they do arranged marriages.102301:09:07,000 --> 01:09:27,000A panel of pastors gets together and prays. Then they couple their members together based on those prayers. And he also confirmed that it's rare for couples to get divorced, which I mean depending on the circumstances could definitely point that they're kind of forced together or potentially women are coerced and to staying in abusive marriages and stuff like that.102401:09:27,000 --> 01:09:51,000He asked the pastor if any other churches taught what they do and he said that there was one, but he couldn't remember the name of it. He also asked why the church itself was so isolated because that made it seem controlling hardly anybody really knows about the church or what they represent the foundations, the I.Y.F. Good Mission and Grosius choir all have a positive front.102501:09:51,000 --> 01:10:05,000You know hats off to Elizabeth because this stuff was it wasn't easy to find and his answer was that they tried to preach to other churches but are told to go away because a missionary isn't well it's not a church.102601:10:05,000 --> 01:10:15,000It's a person or a group preaching so they're trying to bring their system into other churches and they're like fuck off that church already have their message.102701:10:15,000 --> 01:10:34,000Yeah we're good thanks think of the Lord in 2011 there was a pretty big scandal where 400 English teachers volunteered to teach English in Mexico and you know some of them naturally were young college students and they claimed that the classes were going to be called English camp.102801:10:34,000 --> 01:11:02,000Instead they were religious lectures mostly talking about sin and these classes were guarded by security and anyone who tried to leave was prevented from doing so participants who were late were forced to do physical labor or have some sort of physical punishment so they would generally have to perform excessive exercises instead of learning and one of the college students who went to teach said that she was the victim of a scam.102901:11:02,000 --> 01:11:28,000There were also questions going up in India and Uganda over their religious materials being used in public schools and everything that is being used in public schools is provided by the good news mission there everywhere and just you know to round things off park has had several fraud charges against him not surprised.103001:11:28,000 --> 01:11:57,000In 2017 it was said that he sold fraudulent over the counter stock to his 800 church members and that he also took in an unlawful profit for a church so you know the pastor can make X amount of money but he's like mine it's mine your commitment offerings are actually mine it's amazing how I mean I really don't know how much money preachers make but just looking at TV the guy in town.103101:11:57,000 --> 01:12:26,000I don't know how much money he makes but they've got that mega mega church and I'm sure he lives in a mansion yeah they want you to sacrifice members you sacrifice you go without this is a test blah blah blah yeah but look at me hey you come over here free labor that's a tails all this time yeah fix my hot tub go add another wing got to my house right right in 2017 his estimated fraud amount was 20103201:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,00021.8 million dollars.103301:12:31,000 --> 01:12:45,000God dog weirdly every case that has come against him has been dropped the Supreme Court stated that it is hard to regard park as an accomplice because you know cases keep getting dropped that103401:12:45,000 --> 01:12:56,000can it be coercion what other suspects in his broadcast were given jail time of two to three years along with several years of probation that's also so often how it goes with103501:12:56,000 --> 01:13:06,000whole leaders because they have other people to the dirty work but overall park was found not guilty he's a profit so gay trust that is the103601:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,000rossiest choir Christmas contact occult good grief.103701:13:13,000 --> 01:13:25,000Early changes my opinion on a lot of holiday concerts I fight best it's wild how you humans hide evil within your most secret of establishments kind of mix hard to trust anything you see in this world.103801:13:25,000 --> 01:13:33,000Well it looks like my time for this holiday is coming to an end there's only an hour left in the day and I see a pack of top go build drive through with my name on it.103901:13:33,000 --> 01:13:39,000I see now point eating you to especially after all the great podcast I shared with you so let's not let these shows go waste.104001:13:39,000 --> 01:13:47,000Why don't you pull out your phone and subscribe to the mob before you leave now if you'll excuse me I've got a little holiday feast of my own to have.104101:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,000Good luck explaining this to anyone.104201:13:51,000 --> 01:14:09,000[Music]