A Glimpse 'Through The Veil’

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,760[MUSIC]200:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,400We get a lot of people who come in and they're like, I don't really know what I am,300:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,640but I'm interested in all of this.400:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,360And that's where Courtney and August have created this amazing community that there are just so500:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,880many people to ask and so many people that come to these kinds of things.600:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,120And Courtney and August are so knowledgeable that they can usually point you in the right direction700:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,000and be like, oh hey, there's this book over here, there's book over here.800:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,360That's what I love the most about the shop is that Courtney and August, they run it not just900:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,760as a shop but as a community meeting place.1000:00:33,760 --> 00:00:40,720[MUSIC]1100:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,920Hi, Caitlyn.1200:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,640Hi, Cassie.1300:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,480Hi, creepy people.1400:00:44,480 --> 00:00:45,520Hello.1500:00:45,520 --> 00:00:51,920If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about1600:00:51,920 --> 00:00:59,840true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy or witchy in the Pacific Northwest.1700:00:59,840 --> 00:01:05,760We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for deeper insight into the topic.1800:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,640So make sure you stick around if you're into that.1900:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,400And if you're not, then I'm not even really sure why you're here, but I guess welcome.2000:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,920Thanks.2100:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,240You can listen to the other stuff, I guess it's fine.2200:01:20,800 --> 00:01:26,960But this episode, we actually did an Oracle reading and a rune reading.2300:01:26,960 --> 00:01:28,880Yes.2400:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,640And Caitlyn missed it all.2500:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,040Oh, it hurt.2600:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,880Her heart hurt. I felt really bad.2700:01:36,880 --> 00:01:43,040We even talked about you because I was like, I feel so bad because she had to sit through all2800:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,600of the creepy dolls interview and then she doesn't even get to do the witchy interview.2900:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,560Yeah, you know what? That is my luck. That's what that is.3000:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,120And so I'm sorry, also, spoiler alert, there might be some creepy dolls coming.3100:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,640I'm just going to throw that out there.3200:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,760I was wondering why you said that rather than their names.3300:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,000And I was going to say they're such lovely people.3400:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,960And I remember.3500:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,200Because we haven't talked to them yet, technically.3600:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,280That you guys have heard on this timeline.3700:02:14,240 --> 00:02:21,040But this time we are talking with a local witchy shop called Through the Veil.3800:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,400And they are in Hillsboro in the Orenco area.3900:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,520They're kind of tucked back in from the main strip, but very easy to find.4000:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,080And it's just magical and they sell magical things.4100:02:34,080 --> 00:02:34,480Yeah.4200:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,720And I am so excited for future.4300:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,960Caitlyn.4400:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,160And also Cassie.4500:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,040She will be there.4600:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,080But yeah, very excited for future us tomorrow us.4700:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,360We're going to go.4800:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,640And Caitlyn's never been.4900:02:50,640 --> 00:02:52,000I've been a bunch of times.5000:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,800Actually, in this episode, we're going to talk about it.5100:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,840But they have gatherings.5200:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,640And they had a full moon gathering that I went to.5300:03:00,640 --> 00:03:03,120It was really fun.5400:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,720The moon was just out.5500:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,160It was shining on all of us.5600:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,360We had a fire pit.5700:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,880We did a meditation, a group meditation.5800:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,160It was really fun.5900:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,480That just sounds so lovely.6000:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,680Yeah.6100:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,680Do you want to know what I did?6200:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,000No.6300:03:20,000 --> 00:03:31,440I gave my dog antibiotics and I gave her an Epsom salt soak.6400:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,400So that was.6500:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,920If you want to know about that story, join our Patreon and listen to Book Discussion.6600:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,560Yeah, I cannot tell that story twice.6700:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,600Yeah.6800:03:41,600 --> 00:03:48,000I intentionally did not tell Cassie everything that occurred because I was like,6900:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,800I can't keep telling this story.7000:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,080And dog mom problems.7100:03:54,080 --> 00:03:54,720No.7200:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,120So yeah, she couldn't join because of dog problems.7300:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,480But never fear, I was not alone.7400:04:02,480 --> 00:04:08,160Because when she know it, I ran into our Patreon Courtney.7500:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,160Amazing.7600:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,200Who we ran into also at the two girls one go show.7700:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,800I just, I can't with this.7800:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,600It was so funny.7900:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,600I saw her and I was like, oh my god again.8000:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,800Like, yeah.8100:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,080But it was really excited because I was like, thank gosh,8200:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,080I have someone here with me that I know.8300:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,520And not like people were not friendly and not nice.8400:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,440But you know, you just don't know anybody.8500:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,520And it's, yeah, I'm sure ability.8600:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,320You know?8700:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,040So it's nice.8800:04:35,040 --> 00:04:35,840Thank you Courtney.8900:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,240Thanks for being my buddy for the night.9000:04:38,240 --> 00:04:38,880Buddy.9100:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,160My full moon buddy.9200:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,040Yeah.9300:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,400Because her other full moon buddy was having a real full moon night.9400:04:46,400 --> 00:04:46,880No.9500:04:46,880 --> 00:04:47,360Yeah.9600:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,720Like an ER doctor.9700:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,400Moon night.9800:04:50,400 --> 00:04:50,960So.9900:04:50,960 --> 00:04:51,920Oh boy.10000:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,560Lovely.10100:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,000Yeah.10200:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,640That was fun.10300:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,040Should we get into this episode?10400:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,840I suppose so.10500:04:59,840 --> 00:05:00,240All right.10600:05:00,240 --> 00:05:00,800Bye, Caitlyn.10700:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,600Get outa here.10800:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,000Okay.10900:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,960Okay.11000:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,000So today we're with Courtney and Lizzy.11100:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,280And Courtney is owner of a local shop called Through the Veil.11200:05:13,280 --> 00:05:16,000And Lizzy runs some of the events there.11300:05:16,000 --> 00:05:16,720Is that correct?11400:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,760Yes.11500:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,120All right.11600:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,480Well, Courtney, do you want to tell us a little bit about your beautiful shop11700:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,840and how it all came to be?11800:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,320So it is a witch shop.11900:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,000I guess how it came to be a few years ago.12000:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,960My husband and I were dating then.12100:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,480Of course, we weren't married yet.12200:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,560And we went to Salem, Massachusetts.12300:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,920And I saw all the witchy shops there and just fell in love with that whole12400:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,280environment and such.12500:05:43,280 --> 00:05:44,240How could you not?12600:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,040I know.12700:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,280And Salem is like the best place for it.12800:05:47,280 --> 00:05:47,440So.12900:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,720So yeah, so he had owned a spiritual shop before.13000:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,920It was more of like all different spiritualities and religions.13100:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,160So he he'd done that for like, I think four years or something.13200:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,240And he'd worked in other metaphysical shops.13300:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,200So he was very adamant that he was done with that life.13400:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,200And he did not want to do it again.13500:06:09,200 --> 00:06:14,400I don't know how I put the bug in his ear, but the whole drive back13600:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,680from Massachusetts to Michigan.13700:06:19,680 --> 00:06:20,640It's like a seven hour drive.13800:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,080I was like, well, if we had a shop, we would carry these items.13900:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,520And like, we're making a list in a journal and doing all this stuff like totally hypothetically.14000:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,160But eventually, I think he he warmed up to the idea.14100:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,760And even moving to Oregon, he did not want to come to Portland area right away.14200:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,920He had lived here in the past.14300:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,320Oh, really?14400:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,600I can't imagine why.14500:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,400Right.14600:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,360Yeah.14700:06:47,360 --> 00:06:47,600So.14800:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,440But yeah, eventually we ended up out here.14900:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,200We first moved to Salem.15000:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,960We were kind of thinking, like I said, he didn't really want to do Portland again.15100:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,480And we were kind of thinking, oh, we'll make a Salem Massachusetts of the West.15200:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,840And so we were there a few months.15300:07:03,840 --> 00:07:09,680We just weren't finding a good property really for a store and the situation that we wanted,15400:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,800which was like a live work type situation.15500:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,440And then we found this building here and15600:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,680everything just kind of fell into place.15700:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,440It was meant to be.15800:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,000It was like it.15900:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,840So Hillsboro is probably like 20 to 30 minutes from Portland.16000:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,000So you guys aren't in the main main city.16100:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,480Right.16200:07:30,480 --> 00:07:36,800And then even then you're kind of back from the main road too.16300:07:36,800 --> 00:07:43,520So I feel like you're kind of like tucked in this little magical section of Hillsboro.16400:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,320It's awesome.16500:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,080It's really close to everything.16600:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,600But it doesn't feel like it is.16700:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,080Right.16800:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,280And we love that about it.16900:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,080This neighborhood, it is a neighborhood.17000:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,640So it's, you know, regular houses all around us were the last like17100:07:56,640 --> 00:08:02,720but hold of a commercial type place in this this neighborhood from way back when.17200:08:02,720 --> 00:08:08,560And like this neighborhood has fought against like modernizing.17300:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,800Like they fought against putting in sidewalks.17400:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,560They fought against putting in street lights.17500:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,360So it's really awesome that we're kind of like17600:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,280keeping a hold of that.17700:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,200Ruleness.17800:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,880You love that.17900:08:20,880 --> 00:08:26,240It's like your own little bubble and kind of like what is basically a city now.18000:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,080So it's growing so fast out here.18100:08:28,080 --> 00:08:28,720It's crazy.18200:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,000And yes.18300:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,680So I understand there was some remodeling involved when you when you first got the place.18400:08:35,680 --> 00:08:36,000Oh yeah.18500:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,520Yeah.18600:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,800It's just it's an old building.18700:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,720So it's from 1908.18800:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,520It was originally like a mercantile,18900:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,960grocer type building when it was built.19000:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,120It was built by the Oregon nursing company.19100:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,200Oh wow.19200:08:53,200 --> 00:08:53,760Yeah.19300:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,880And so the previous owners, I think they had gotten it in the 80s.19400:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,600They'd done a lot to the building.19500:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,120I know there was a fire at one point.19600:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,240And so they had to rebuild the storefront itself.19700:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,840And they've tried to keep everything as original as possible.19800:09:09,840 --> 00:09:15,760But by the time we got to it, it had sat for a couple of years and it had some active19900:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,120roof leaks unfortunately.20000:09:17,120 --> 00:09:22,080And so that's always something that's like you had to get on top of it right away or you're20100:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,280going to have problems.20200:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,080So yeah.20300:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,760And then they were using the storefront area for mostly woodworking.20400:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,800They made some wagon wheels and stuff.20500:09:34,800 --> 00:09:41,840And they had a large collection of old like antiques and just various like20600:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,160oddity type things and just things.20700:09:44,160 --> 00:09:49,440So it was not ready to be a store for sure.20800:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,720We had to basically go in.20900:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,200There was a couple of rooms built over there.21000:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,200And we had to take those out and just redo the whole thing.21100:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,840So you guys did such a good job.21200:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,840It's so beautifully decorated.21300:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,760I can't believe the ceiling is that's my favorite part of the whole place.21400:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,040It's so beautiful.21500:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,880It's like a black.21600:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,240Is it black ceiling?21700:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,840It's black like it's a glossy black tin ceiling.21800:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,720It is real tin.21900:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,440Oh wow.22000:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,680So but it was it's not original to the building though.22100:10:19,680 --> 00:10:21,360We installed that ourselves.22200:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,920So it's beautiful in there.22300:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,920Looks like you guys just took so much care.22400:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,600The space has such good vibes.22500:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,960I love going in there.22600:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,720I do remember like the first time I was in there.22700:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,120There was a witch mask on the wall.22800:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,040And with a sign that said it was there.22900:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,280When you guys moved in, is that still there?23000:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,560It is.23100:10:40,560 --> 00:10:41,200Yeah.23200:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,080It'll stay there.23300:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,000It's like a little bit of a traffic.23400:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,240So that was there when you guys bought the place?23500:10:48,240 --> 00:10:48,800Yeah.23600:10:48,800 --> 00:10:49,600Yeah.23700:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,000Like I said, they just had a collection of stuff.23800:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,760And so that was still hanging on the pillar right,23900:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,040roughly right where it is now.24000:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,400We took it down to paint obviously and put it back.24100:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,680But and we fixed it.24200:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,760We put batteries in it because it has a button.24300:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,640You push it and it like sings and does funny stuff.24400:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,560But yeah, it's very old.24500:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,320And the some of the I think the grandkids of the people24600:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,720who own the building for us have been in the shop.24700:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,880And one of them was like, hey, I put that there.24800:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,640And so that was fine.24900:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,440That's all I love that.25000:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,840That is so flipping cute.25100:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,160Yeah.25200:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,920Okay, so let's go into what Lizzy runs.25300:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,640You said she runs full moon gatherings and and sabbats.25400:11:34,640 --> 00:11:35,280Sabbits.25500:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,000I was like, there's there's a word I can't pronounce25600:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,440and I don't want to sound stupid.25700:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,760Not at all.25800:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,360And she teaches some classes.25900:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,320Yes.26000:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,160Oh, okay.26100:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,600So tell me about all those things.26200:11:47,600 --> 00:11:47,920Yeah.26300:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,240So every month we do a new moon and full moon circles.26400:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,680My friend Lisa runs the new moon ones.26500:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,160We do a lot of drumming for that.26600:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,080That's a drumming circle for the new moons.26700:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,040For the full moons, I do those.26800:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,840And then I also do the sabbats which are like to pagan holy days.26900:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,400There are eight of them a year and it follows the the wheel of the year.27000:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,960I also as Courtney said occasionally teach classes.27100:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,760I did a class on honor your ancestors even if they suck.27200:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,680A lot of people.27300:12:23,680 --> 00:12:29,600A lot of people in the pagan community come from a hard background.27400:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,800Either some of their family, they get a lot of flack from their family about being pagan.27500:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,000We get a lot of evangelical castoffs.27600:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,440You know, people that didn't find a home in the church.27700:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,680And they're finding a home in paganism.27800:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,200But that creates kind of that tension within their family line.27900:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,720Or they come from religious trauma.28000:12:50,720 --> 00:12:57,520And so they've split from their family because you know, they they follow a really hard religious line.28100:12:57,520 --> 00:13:03,680So connecting to your ancestors even when there is kind of that tension, it's still possible.28200:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,520And so I taught a class around that around how to kind of get around28300:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,440the fact that your immediate ancestors really suck.28400:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,280I'm also going to teach a class on runes.28500:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,640I've been working with runes for about about 12 years now.28600:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,600And yeah.28700:13:23,600 --> 00:13:30,160So the the sabbats that we do, the pagan holy days, we make that accessible to everybody.28800:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,720We don't have any particular like line that we follow.28900:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,240Like we don't do Wiccan sabbats.29000:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,520We don't do druid sabbats.29100:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,880We don't do Hellenistic sabbats.29200:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,040Like it's just kind of an all around pagan thing.29300:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,160We follow the wheel of the year.29400:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,840So the next one is going to be you all, which is the winter solstice or Albin Arthin.29500:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,960And I think it's a good time.29600:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,000We usually talk about what the sabbat is, the significance of it.29700:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,000And then we usually have something to do a lot of time.29800:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,400It's setting an intention for the coming year.29900:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,320For you all, especially how to kind of honor the passing of the year30000:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,880and what you want the next year to look like.30100:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,320So yeah.30200:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,320That's what we do.30300:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,280That is so cool.30400:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,360So can you just show up to these as they're exactly?30500:14:21,360 --> 00:14:21,360Absolutely.30600:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,120A minor do you have to sign up?30700:14:23,120 --> 00:14:23,920You don't have to sign up.30800:14:23,920 --> 00:14:24,720You just show up.30900:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,560All of it is on the stores website throughtheveilshop.com.31000:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,320It's also on Facebook and Instagram.31100:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,840And then there's also a Facebook community group31200:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,800for the shop where we post about the events.31300:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,480Book clubs.31400:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,000We are also going to be doing a book club coming up again.31500:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,240Probably in January.31600:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,280Question mark.31700:14:49,280 --> 00:14:49,600Yeah.31800:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,400Yeah.31900:14:50,400 --> 00:14:50,800Yeah.32000:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,520Oh, that's awesome.32100:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,160That's right.32200:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,200When every year I'm like, I'm going to read more books this year.32300:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,320That's my resolution.32400:14:56,320 --> 00:14:56,800There you go.32500:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,440Here's a way to keep that.32600:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,760Yeah.32700:14:59,760 --> 00:15:00,320Exactly.32800:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,280Yeah, we do, we do witchy books.32900:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,000So I think the next one that we're going to do is the Morrigan book by Courtney Weber.33000:15:08,000 --> 00:15:08,240Right?33100:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,280Yeah.33200:15:09,280 --> 00:15:14,000So Courtney Weber actually reached out to us.33300:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,880She lives in the area so she's going to come talk to us about the book once we reread it.33400:15:18,880 --> 00:15:19,840Oh, wow.33500:15:19,840 --> 00:15:20,560That's awesome.33600:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,760I'll have to keep my eye out.33700:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,120That's really interesting.33800:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,360Is it the same for book clubs?33900:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,360Do you do it at the shop?34000:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,640Do you do it virtually?34100:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,200Yeah, we do both for the book club.34200:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,720So it is at the shop and then we do a Zoom link as well.34300:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,400And we often record it.34400:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,880So if people miss it, they can catch up.34500:15:38,880 --> 00:15:39,520Oh, that's cool.34600:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,320I love that.34700:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,480Yeah, that's also a great place to talk about.34800:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,360Like if you have questions about the path that you're on,34900:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,680we get a lot of people who come in and they're like, oh,35000:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,240I really know what I am, but I'm interested in all of this.35100:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,840And that's where Courtney and August have created this amazing community35200:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,480that there are just so many people that ask and so many people that come to these kinds of things.35300:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,840And Courtney and August are so knowledgeable that they can usually point you35400:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,640in the right direction and be like, oh, hey, there's this book over here.35500:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,920There's book over here.35600:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,080If you're interested in Druidry, go talk to Lizzy because35700:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,640they'll try to drag you into that.35800:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,800So I love that.35900:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,480It's just like a safe space for everyone to come.36000:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,440Absolutely.36100:16:21,440 --> 00:16:21,920Absolutely.36200:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,640That's what I love the most about the shop is that36300:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,840Courtney and August, they run it not just as a shop, but as a community meeting place.36400:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,800It's a place that you can come and you can ask questions.36500:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,160I've seen people come into the shop that just have36600:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,840generic questions about witchcraft.36700:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,000There are people that come in that say, hey,36800:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,280I've got something gross in my apartment.36900:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,320This feeling, how do I get rid of that?37000:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,160What would you recommend for that?37100:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,880We have people that come in that want to do,37200:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,880they want to disconnect from loved ones or ex-boyfriends.37300:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,280They want to know how the best way to do that.37400:16:57,280 --> 00:17:02,640It's just such a great resource to come in and ask those kinds of questions37500:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,400that you can't really find anywhere else.37600:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,280You can throw it out to Google, but you're going to get 15 different things.37700:17:07,280 --> 00:17:07,920Oh my god.37800:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,640Or you could come into the shop and talk to Courtney or August or37900:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,280anyone that's working there or if I'm hanging around that day38000:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,840and get first-hand information on the best way to go about it.38100:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,800Yeah, I feel like sometimes you don't even know what task.38200:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,080So you're just like, what do I even type in Google for this problem?38300:17:26,080 --> 00:17:26,720I don't even know.38400:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,640Absolutely.38500:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,920Absolutely.38600:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,440And that's recording August or great because they can kind of pull that out and be like,38700:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,240oh, hey, well, have you tried Palo Santo?38800:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,800Like, you know, yeah, I've got some sage over here.38900:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,800You know, here's some graveyard dirt.39000:17:40,800 --> 00:17:41,600Let's try that.39100:17:41,600 --> 00:17:47,760A thing that I find happens a lot, especially in some of the witchy groups I follow on Facebook,39200:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,520is you'll ask a question and you'll get a lot of judgment.39300:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,040Whereas like, you know, some people want to do something and other people have an idea that39400:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,280what you should be doing and that's going to be bad karma or all this.39500:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,320And everybody has different belief systems and we really try to honor that in our shop.39600:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,360And we just give you the information.39700:18:09,360 --> 00:18:13,040You know, it's not our place to say what you should or shouldn't do.39800:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,120It's your, your own person.39900:18:15,120 --> 00:18:19,120So we just give the information and we carry the supplies.40000:18:19,120 --> 00:18:25,520So that's like, something that's very important to me is to do that judgment-free.40100:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,120Yeah.40200:18:27,120 --> 00:18:28,080Yeah, I like that.40300:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,040I don't like rules.40400:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,040So and I'm always changing my mind too.40500:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,920So I'm like, I reserve the right to change my mind about that.40600:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,920Right.40700:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,160100% 100%.40800:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,800Do you guys collect your own graveyard dirt or do you get it sourced?40900:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,040We do not collect our own.41000:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,480I unfortunately do not have time for such.41100:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,680Can you imagine?41200:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,000Extracurricular activités. 41300:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,720Courtney, let's go.41400:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,240We're going to the graveyard.41500:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,720Let's do it.41600:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,840Shops out a dirt.41700:18:57,840 --> 00:18:58,640We need to go.41800:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,040All right.41900:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,440So we do, we do source it.42000:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,200We do try to get it from legitimate sources and that sort of thing.42100:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,480Of course, how much can you really know if it's legit?42200:19:10,480 --> 00:19:10,960Right.42300:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,280But I am very excited, though, since we're on the topic of Grave Dirt.42400:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,760I just found a new source.42500:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,600That I've ordered from.42600:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,480And they have special Grave Dirt.42700:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,040They have Grave Dirt from Disentered Graves.42800:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,280They have Grave Dirt from Freshly Dug Graves.42900:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,040And they have a Grave Salts, which is like a Grave Dirt mixed with Salts.43000:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,240And such.43100:19:36,240 --> 00:19:36,960Wow.43200:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,760That's right.43300:19:37,760 --> 00:19:38,640You know, right?43400:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,600I'm very excited.43500:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,880That's awesome.43600:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,160That is super awesome.43700:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,720And they work in the Funerary business.43800:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,880So I'm pretty sure that it's legit.43900:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,840I would hope so.44000:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,560Yeah.44100:19:48,560 --> 00:19:48,720Yeah.44200:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,360That's a great, great connection to have.44300:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,200I didn't even think about that.44400:19:53,200 --> 00:19:53,360Great.44500:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,200Kind of a good side hustle too.44600:19:55,200 --> 00:19:55,440Right?44700:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,200If you're like, if you've got your own mortuary,44800:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,400you'll be like, yo, what's up?44900:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,520Like I got the good dirt.45000:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,400Yeah.45100:20:00,400 --> 00:20:00,640Yeah.45200:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,240I cannot wait.45300:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,480Because I got like spell kits and stuff too.45400:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,440That comes with things like Corpse Water.45500:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,040Like they wash down the corpses before they do stuff to it.45600:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,240So lots of things.45700:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,040Stuff like I like that weird like stuff.45800:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,560So I need to I need to all about graveyard.45900:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,360Super awesome.46000:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,040Skeletons and oh my gosh, everything creepy.46100:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,800You have to tell me about you have a coffin table46200:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,200in there with a skeleton in it, right?46300:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,440It's probably not as cool as it sounds,46400:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,440but it's just a coffin table.46500:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,800It's actually cooler.46600:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,520Yeah.46700:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,040It's really cool to look at.46800:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,640So we made that the coffin table out of like plexiglass.46900:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,480So it's clear so you can see through it.47000:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,400And then put some feet on it and all that.47100:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,760And then we got a skeleton that is gold.47200:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,800And I just decorated it in flowers and lights and low47300:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,840which had and put them in there.47400:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,040And that's where he lived.47500:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,320So awesome.47600:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,520It's so beautiful.47700:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,880Is that for sale?47800:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,680It is not.47900:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,480No, I'm sorry.48000:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,000Finally, someone tried to rent it from a slash year too48100:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,280for Halloween.48200:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,760It's like, oh, that's a good idea.48300:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,200Maybe you should just put a tutorial on how to make it.48400:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,920Yeah, I could probably come up with that.48500:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040It wasn't, I mean, the hardest part obviously is48600:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,000is cutting the plexiglass and not breaking it.48700:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,240But yeah, I'd have to hire someone to do it.48800:21:32,240 --> 00:21:32,560Right.48900:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,040Yeah.49000:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,120And plexiglass isn't cheap anymore.49100:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,000Holy cow.49200:21:36,000 --> 00:21:36,960I know.49300:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,920Oh, I know.49400:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,440Do you have any other art that you make49500:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520and put around the shop like that?49600:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,240Oh, yeah.49700:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,720Yeah.49800:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760There's tons of art in there.49900:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,440We have like a big right above the fireplace50000:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,080is like a 3D statue thing of Hecate.50100:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,400Yeah.50200:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,560So I do a lot of bone art that we sell in the shop.50300:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,280Some of it's real bones and some of it's50400:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,360we call vegan for those people who are--50500:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,240We just want to--50600:22:08,240 --> 00:22:08,640--just get bought out.50700:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,600I love it.50800:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,080Yeah.50900:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,080Vegan bone art.51000:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,480And then what else?51100:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,680I make so much stuff.51200:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,360I don't even know.51300:22:16,360 --> 00:22:19,120There's a pair of wings in there I've made.51400:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,880I made like the chandelier that's in the middle.51500:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,640And you made that?51600:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,440Yeah.51700:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,840The robes, the robes and stuff.51800:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,120Yeah.51900:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,120The icing gowns that are in there I've made.52000:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,920She's incredibly artistic.52100:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,760Like she's so talented.52200:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,440She really is.52300:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,120Definitely shows when you go in there for sure.52400:22:38,120 --> 00:22:38,440Nice.52500:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,440Absolutely.52600:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,120Tell my husband you can never leave me.52700:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,400[LAUGHTER]52800:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,760For the drum circle, do you have to have your own drum?52900:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,560No.53000:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,200Lisa makes her drums and brings extra ones for everybody.53100:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,720So you can just show up.53200:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,320The only thing that is good to bring her chairs53300:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040because most of the time we're sitting and drumming53400:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,400and stuff and so having--53500:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,200there are some chairs there.53600:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,080There are benches and rocking chairs available.53700:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,840That fills up pretty quick.53800:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,840Well, that's good to know.53900:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,520OK.54000:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,520Yeah.54100:23:13,520 --> 00:23:13,840Yeah.54200:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,880And you can even, as far as drums go,54300:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,080because she does have a limited number.54400:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,400So sometimes people will share or pass them around.54500:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,760But you can bring any kind of percussion type.54600:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,920We've had people bring rattles or little like--54700:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,920Dissarie doodles.54800:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,920I don't know what--54900:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,720Really?55000:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,220Thank you.55100:23:34,220 --> 00:23:36,720I can never pronounce that.55200:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,800Yep.55300:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,520You can even take an old bottle, like a plastic bottle,55400:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,120and put little rocks in it, and then shake it.55500:23:44,120 --> 00:23:45,840I mean, just anything.55600:23:45,840 --> 00:23:46,360So--55700:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,600That's cool.55800:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,240And then do you have to know anything about drumming?55900:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,360Not at all.56000:23:52,360 --> 00:23:52,880Not at all.56100:23:52,880 --> 00:24:00,480So the idea of it is that the percussive kind of rhythm56200:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840helps kind of change your brainway patterns56300:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,200to kind of get you into a more meditative state.56400:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,720And so sitting together and drumming together56500:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,200and kind of feeling that energy, the whole idea behind a new moon56600:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,680is what you want to manifest for that moon cycle.56700:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,520And so as we drum, we think about, OK, what do the last moon56800:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,760cycle look like?56900:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,720What just ended?57000:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,640This is the darker that moon, and this is the time57100:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,440to kind of rest and figure out what you want to manifest.57200:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,840And drumming kind of helps facilitate that.57300:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,760It helps you kind of go a little bit deeper.57400:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,480Then on the full moon circles, we57500:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,080talk about what has manifested.57600:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,960Like this month, it's the hunter moon,57700:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,760or the beaver moon, or whatever.57800:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,440And that's what this is around.57900:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,880And so the whole idea is to kind of live more in cycle58000:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,320with the seasons and with the moon cycle.58100:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,920And you see kind of how your own energy abs58200:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,320and flows with those cycles.58300:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,920And you see kind of how that starts to take root in your own life.58400:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,840That sounds really cool.58500:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,360I'm going to have to get down and check it out.58600:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,080Because I just need-- I need something more in my life,58700:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,360more than just podcasting and working.58800:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,640I need more witchy vibes in my life, for sure.58900:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,720Absolutely.59000:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,680Absolutely.59100:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,640Yeah.59200:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,760OK, can you both recommend like what59300:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,560is one basic witchy tool or something59400:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080that you provide in the store that you think everyone should59500:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,080have?59600:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,080Good question.59700:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,080I mean, not everyone.59800:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,080But you know what I mean.59900:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,080There's so many.60000:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,080How do you pick one?60100:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,080Right?60200:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,080You can do more than one.60300:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,080I don't care.60400:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,840There's no rules here.60500:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,560I guess I'll talk about the one I've been working on today,60600:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000since it's like on my mind.60700:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,080We sell-- it's called a witch kit starter kit type thing.60800:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,080Oh, perfect.60900:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,560Yeah.61000:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,320So we have three types.61100:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,280One is just in a regular like organ's61200:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,280bag.61300:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,160This month we'll be doing them in little mini like Christmas61400:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,760stockings for Christmas gifts.61500:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,840So two.61600:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,080And then yeah, so that it'll come with a bunch of different herbs,61700:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,360a bunch of different crystals.61800:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,800It comes with like a mini candle, candle holder, matches,61900:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,520oil, Palo Santo, salt.62000:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,120So I think that's most of it.62100:26:22,120 --> 00:26:25,600And then we have a style that's inside of a mortar and pestle.62200:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,840So it comes in a mortar and pestle.62300:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,120And then one comes with a little cauldron.62400:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,720So it's just a real like beginner basic kit.62500:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,160And on each of the herbs and the stones,62600:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,760it'll tell you what it is and like one of its metaphysical62700:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,080properties.62800:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,640So it's really for people starting out who don't have a collection62900:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,880of stuff yet and they just want to get something started.63000:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,680So that's perfect.63100:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,440I love that.63200:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,840I would recommend a tarot deck as a good way63300:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,080to kind of start if you're diving into it.63400:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,680Yeah.63500:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,640If you're diving into kind of like your witchy cell63600:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,200because the whole idea behind tarot and divination63700:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,480is to kind of take you a little bit deeper inside yourself.63800:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,960And they have in a fantastic selection of tarot decks there.63900:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600Everything you can possibly think of.64000:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,960Like they've got a tarot deck for it.64100:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,680I've gotten a few decks there.64200:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,400I got an Oracle deck there and it literally would not64300:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,960let me leave the store without it.64400:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,640I kept--64500:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,160I'd be like, no, I have enough decks.64600:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,840I guess they don't have an Oracle deck,64700:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,080but-- and I kept going back to it and I was like,64800:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,680I have to take this home.64900:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,480They won't let me leave.65000:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,480Nice.65100:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,640That's how you know that.65200:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,520That's meant for you.65300:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,280Yep.65400:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,200Absolutely.65500:27:33,200 --> 00:27:33,520I know.65600:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,200And I was really bummed out because I don't have it with me.65700:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040I think I left it at my co-host house65800:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,480because we used it for the last episode.65900:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,160And I was like, no, I need my--66000:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,680it's a moon Oracle deck.66100:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,680Ooh, nice.66200:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,040It's just gorgeous.66300:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,840But I didn't bring it.66400:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,680So I'd--66500:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,160I probably--66600:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,480I believe.66700:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,920I'd probably have it.66800:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,320I'd like six or seven Oracle decks over there.66900:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,520So chances are I can have it.67000:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,560How do you have it?67100:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,640That would be so cool.67200:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,920Is it the monology Oracle?67300:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,200I don't think so.67400:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,920It has like cartoon witches on it and like cats.67500:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,360Oh, nice.67600:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,880Just very pretty artwork.67700:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,960Like, girly creepy.67800:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,440I wonder if it's the one I picked up recently.67900:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,200Let me go get it.68000:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,080I want to see if it's best one for the first time.68100:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,640I mean, obviously I have all the decks in the store,68200:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,960but in my personal collection, I have this one.68300:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,240That's it.68400:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,640Ooh, nice.68500:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,080I had a feeling that--68600:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,880So it's just my buddy.68700:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,760I take it everywhere with me.68800:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,680And I was just like heartbroken that it wasn't in my bag68900:28:36,680 --> 00:28:36,960today.69000:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,760I was like, no.69100:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,240Oh, I'm going to go--69200:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,360Like a piece of me.69300:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,200This is when I snagged for myself.69400:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,800I snagged a lot of them, unfortunately, but--69500:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,280I love it.69600:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,960Yeah, I love the artwork on this one.69700:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,560So gorgeous.69800:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,320It's so beautiful.69900:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,920That's very beautiful.70000:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,120As indie podcasters, we love to show our support70100:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,920of other awesome shows.70200:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,800So stay tuned for the promo we've70300:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,720got to share with you this week.70400:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,240Let's show them some love.70500:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,440You can find their info in our show notes.70600:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,200Good evening and welcome to “Audie's Oddities."70700:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,680Allow me to tell you some stories of true crime, conspiracy,70800:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,080and the unexplained.70900:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,760But most importantly, the names of the lives71000:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,000that we lost in these stories.71100:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,760Nothing's off the chopping block from where wolves71200:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,120when to goes to witches.71300:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,480And most importantly, the most horrifying of them all, people.71400:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,480With news stories twice a week, you'll71500:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,040be sleeping with the lights on.71600:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760Don't be late, or you might be my next story.71700:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,640Listen to "Audie's Oddities," wherever you get your podcasts.71800:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,640You guys, we're back.71900:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,000And don't worry, we did get more wine.72000:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,360Well, of course.72100:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,880So we usually do a tarot reading or an oracle reading72200:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,120or something witchy in every episode.72300:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,080So if you guys want to pull something,72400:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,320if you're feeling it, I would love that.72500:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,160Since I don't have my pretty deck.72600:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,640Absolutely.72700:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,040So I guess I will pull from the deck that you love.72800:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,520You want to go first, Lucy?72900:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,440Sure.73000:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,960I need to do a Rune pull73100:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,600Is that work?73200:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,680Yes, please.73300:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,520So I made my own Runes out of a Preseli Bluestone.73400:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,720I carved them myself.73500:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,320It took me three months to do it, because I carved them73600:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,280in the proper phase of the moon and all that kind of shit.73700:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,960So I have a set of Runes that I made.73800:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,600And I'll do a Rune pull for you guys.73900:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,600That'll be one.74000:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,760That's so exciting.74100:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,400I give you the five of the day.74200:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,360I have to tell you about a Rune set I saw recently74300:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,480I want to get.74400:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,560Ooh.74500:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,480I think rooms are so beautiful.74600:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,880They really are.74700:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,880This is a Dagaz.74800:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,160It's the room of illumination or enlightenment.74900:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,520So Dagaz, in some parts of Eastern Europe,75000:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,840in Alaska, the sun will set.75100:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,280And it won't rise again for 30, 40, 60 days.75200:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,760So you have just months of darkness.75300:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,440And then the inverse of that is where the sun rises.75400:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,880And it never sets.75500:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,840And it's up for a while.75600:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,680But Dagaz is the illumination.75700:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,440That's the sun rising after an extremely long period75800:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,640of darkness.75900:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,680So if you're moving through a time where you're kind of questioning,76000:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280what do I do next or where do I go?76100:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920Dagaz is the room to lean on.76200:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,280It also looks like an hourglass or an infinity symbol.76300:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,920So it kind of encapsulates that idea that there is no beginning76400:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,160and there is no end.76500:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,120It's just-- it's all a cycle, right?76600:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,680It's all illumination.76700:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240So you keep working and you keep learning.76800:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,360And that's how you keep moving forward76900:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,200is through the illumination of Dagaz.77000:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,480That's so beautiful.77100:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,880I love that.77200:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,600That's perfect.77300:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,360You're turn Courtney.77400:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,400So I got this card - Radiant.77500:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,760Ooh, beautiful.77600:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,640That kind of goes together, I feel like.77700:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,680It does.77800:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,280I know.77900:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,600We're just thinking, I'm going to look it up in the book78000:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,520because it is an Oracle deck.78100:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,920And Oracle's always have their own definitions for things.78200:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,280I love that--78300:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,040Let me see what questions they have for those cards.78400:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,280OK.78500:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,080Yeah.78600:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,720So it says, "Radiant illuminated glowing beacon.78700:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200Be as radiant as the luminous full moon78800:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800casting a shimmering glow to all below,78900:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,920blinketing the earth and dancing shadows79000:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,120as the clouds pass around her.79100:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,280Be as radiant as the gleaming suns sending her luminous rays79200:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,480to our planet.79300:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,320Both the moon and the sun are healing,79400:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,080rejuvenating, and magnetic.79500:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,520Soak in these powers, ignite your own glow79600:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,240from within and share your newly gained strength.79700:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,800Recharge your energy zones.79800:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,600Tap into your inspiration and creativity79900:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,080using your newly gained resources to their fullest extent.80000:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,720Choose to shine on your brightest frequency.80100:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880Be like the sun, the moon, and the stars80200:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,640illuminating the darkness.80300:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,360Wow.80400:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,760And it says, "Intention is illuminate your heart80500:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,280with inspiration and love.80600:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,640Be a beacon of light offering strength and guidance."80700:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,720So yeah.80800:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,680That sounds an awful lot like you guys in your store80900:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,040and what you do for the community.81000:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,520Right.81100:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,520Right.81200:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,560Right.81300:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,400We hope.81400:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,840Yeah, absolutely.81500:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,720That's so perfect.81600:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,360I love when it works out like that,81700:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,920where you get to kind of like matching interpretations81800:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,120for things and they're completely different tools81900:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,160that you're using too.82000:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,160That's really cool.82100:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,680I love that.82200:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,240That's so awesome.82300:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,520Manifesting.82400:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,280We're always so amazed by them.82500:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,040What's that word?82600:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,880Oh my gosh.82700:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,400A synchronicity.82800:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,240Yes.82900:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,000I'm like, one of you has to pull it out of my brain.83000:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,880I know what I mean.83100:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,800Yeah.83200:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,760So have you guys experienced any hauntings, any ghosts,83300:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,960any creepy stuff?83400:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,880Neal.83500:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,600Oh, I mean, we could probably talk about the Ouija83600:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,760I was just saying we could probably83700:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,320talk about the last, the Ouija thing that we did.83800:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,360That was really fascinating.83900:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,080Where--84000:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,560Oh, so did stuff happen.84100:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,560Yeah.84200:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,000You kind of.84300:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,640So I will give some background first, too,84400:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,640because reasons we chose to try to do the Ouija here84500:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,680in the building.84600:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,680So lots of people have told us a story84700:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,160about the lady that owned the store in like the '40s84800:34:49,160 --> 00:34:49,960and '50s.84900:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,840Her name was Bessie Brown.85000:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,840And so she was a widow when she bought the building.85100:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,160So that in itself was unique.85200:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,160That she owned and ran this store on her own.85300:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,280She didn't pass away here.85400:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,800But she had-- everybody said that she loved the store.85500:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,320They had to basically force her into retirement.85600:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,840And once they did, she passed away shortly thereafter.85700:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,360So the people have said that they've felt her presence there,85800:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,680that they've seen her.85900:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,680We've had multiple stories from random different people86000:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,840who don't know each other.86100:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,880Oh, wow.86200:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,360The guy that owned the store before us,86300:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,640he talked about her a lot and believed86400:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,440that she was here.86500:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,920And then we've had some younger people come in.86600:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,360He said, oh, I was driving by with somebody's one night.86700:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,720And we saw her out in the road.86800:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,480And like, just various things like that.86900:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,000She was very nice.87000:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,440Everyone says she gave candy out to kids that came87100:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,760in the shop and so on.87200:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,440So yeah, so we kind of did this whole Ouija board thing87300:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,880in the class as well as with friends to reach out87400:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,920and see if she was here and that sort of thing.87500:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,320But yeah, I'll let Lizzy explain the rest of what happened87600:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,440when we did the Ouija board that night.87700:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,960It was really interesting.87800:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,640It was-- we asked if we could connect.87900:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,560And there was definitely the real presence.88000:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,960Our friend, Lisa, the same one that runs the new moon circles.88100:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,360She is an experienced chaman or spirit walker.88200:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,400And does a lot with ghost hunting.88300:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,080She does a lot with cleansing.88400:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880If you have a malevolent entity on your land,88500:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,880and you need that cleanse.88600:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,360So we felt that we were in really good hands with Lisa.88700:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,720And so she kind of helped guide the process.88800:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,960So she kind of helps make sure that we were all kind of like88900:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,720taking it seriously and things.89000:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,960And so she was asking the right questions.89100:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,080And it definitely had like a very strong sense of a presence89200:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,640and in communicating.89300:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,920What was hilarious is that they asked her if she liked what89400:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,800we did with the store, what Courtney and August did with the store.89500:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800And it was kind of an ambiguous answer.89600:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,600And we were kind of like, how?89700:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,960Does that mean that you don't like it?89800:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,120But then we got to thinking she ran a grocery store.89900:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,400And Courtney and August store would definitely90000:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,560be the worst grocery store like a round.90100:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,800Like it is a terrible grocery store.90200:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,960So I kind of wonder if she's looking at it90300:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,720and being like, y'all are terrible at selling groceries.90400:37:39,720 --> 00:37:45,840Like, this is not the worst grocery store I've ever seen.90500:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,920But they asked, are you here?90600:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,960Are you helping?90700:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,800Do you help people?90800:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,160And she's like, yeah, absolutely.90900:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,920So I think that spirit is still there.91000:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,320And still wanting to be in service as she was for so long91100:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,240in that building.91200:38:00,240 --> 00:38:06,080And we definitely get the sense that it's not malevolent at all.91300:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,680It's a very protective and--91400:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,240I don't think kind is necessarily the right word.91500:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,680I think the vibe I got was kind of like stern,91600:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,680but helpful like that kind of school-marm teachery kind91700:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,280of like, you behave now kind of thing.91800:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,840But somebody who's definitely a servant.91900:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,560There was a time too that they were hopeful in the shop92000:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,160as far as we know.92100:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,000So there was somebody in our back corner92200:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840where the tarot decks and stuff are in the oddities.92300:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,400And a book had fallen off a shelf.92400:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520Like randomly, nobody could figure out92500:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,800why it would have just fallen off the shelf.92600:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,760And they picked it up and put it back.92700:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,120And it fell again.92800:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,600And then they were like, OK, I'm92900:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,800supposed to buy this book.93000:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,120So it was very interesting that that happened in that way.93100:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,600Because yeah, nobody could figure out.93200:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,680They didn't seem like there was any legitimate reason93300:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,560for the book to have fallen.93400:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,840But sadly, I'm a skeptic about all of the--93500:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,080that stuff I want to believe, like really badly.93600:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,800But I'm still a skeptic there.93700:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,240So we've had few things that were weird.93800:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,760We weren't at home one time.93900:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,080And we have motion sensors, of course,94000:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,160on the alarm system and such.94100:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,680And the motion detectors went off94200:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,560and it turns on the cameras and all this.94300:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,800And we're like, look in.94400:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,680And we didn't see anything that would have turned it on.94500:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,520And it was like a full alarm.94600:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,560Like the alarm company called us and everything.94700:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,720And so we're just like, yeah, no idea.94800:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,040Maybe it was a cat or something.94900:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,240I don't know.95000:39:47,240 --> 00:39:52,240So we're always trying to find other explanations.95100:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,840That's healthy, though, I think.95200:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,640I think that's one of the basic tenets of paganism95300:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,400and kind of following a pagan path95400:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040is listening to your intuition.95500:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160That's one of the things that--95600:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,680not to get too much of my soapbox,95700:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,880because I could literally be here all day talking about that.95800:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,640Oh, for sure.95900:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,040That's one of the things that Christianity in particular,96000:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,080and a lot of the major world religions,96100:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,320they push is taking you away from that intuition.96200:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,440They teach the tenets that the heart is deceitful above all96300:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,960things.96400:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,800And so you shouldn't listen to your intuition.96500:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,000You should only listen to the priests or the pastors96600:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,480or whatever.96700:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,320And that's one of the things that I love the most96800:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,320about paganism is that it puts you back in your body.96900:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,920And it puts you back in control.97000:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,880And it puts you back in connection97100:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,120with that sense of intuition and that sense of knowing97200:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,520something that even though you may not97300:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,840have a legitimate reason to know, you just know.97400:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,280Like you avoid that guy because he's creepy.97500:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,560And then it turns out he was actually murdering people.97600:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,680Or you turn left instead of right97700:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,960because you have a bad feeling.97800:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,240And it turns out there was a car up later that day or something.97900:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,960Those are the kinds of things that I feel like a pagan path98000:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,400kind of helps you get more in connection with98100:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,800is thinking about things more in a mythological kind of mindset98200:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,760rather than only what you can see touch, taste, feel here.98300:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,440There's a lot more to the world than just what we can see98400:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,520and feel.98500:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,600And I feel like the pagan path has a lot more opportunity98600:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,000to embrace that versus the major world religions and stuff.98700:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,080That's something that I always preach is listen to that,98800:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,280particularly as women.98900:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120Women's intuition should not be dismissed.99000:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080And so much of the time it has been that, oh, well,99100:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,960you're just being silly or oh, you shouldn't listen to that.99200:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,120I cannot tell you how many women I have heard say, oh,99300:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,440this is probably silly, but.99400:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,760And then something profound comes out99500:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,880because they're actually listening to their intuition.99600:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,720And that's what I love the most about the pagan path99700:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,280is that you honor that and you lean into that versus just99800:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,160being like, no, I probably shouldn't, I shouldn't99900:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,120pay attention to that.100000:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,160That's silly.100100:42:13,160 --> 00:42:13,440Yeah.100200:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,960We're so powerful.100300:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,760Our minds are just--100400:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,320Persons.100500:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,360Our guts.100600:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,800They're on, I think, all the time.100700:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,080Absolutely.100800:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,880Absolutely.100900:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,720So much more fun to look at the world and see the magic in it,101000:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,320too, than to just--101100:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,360Absolutely.101200:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,960It's so--101300:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,960Absolutely.101400:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480Because I mean, it's not like you could be dull and you101500:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,080could live under a credit score.101600:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,200And you could just pay your bills and go to work and do that101700:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,480shit.101800:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,680Or you could realize that quantum physics101900:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,840is the way that science describes magic.102000:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,080And you could realize that spooky action of the distance102100:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,440is absolutely something that's real.102200:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,520And that the energy that's all around us,102300:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,320you can kind of tap into that.102400:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,880And who doesn't want to live a life full of richness102500:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,320in magic?102600:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,200If you want to be Jess Bezos and Elon Musk and just102700:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,960be a slave to the corporate overlords--102800:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,480Sure.102900:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,040But I want magic.103000:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,600You know, I want unexplained things.103100:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,960And I want spooky action of the distance.103200:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,600I love that.103300:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,080But also the same.103400:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,920You have to have a healthy dose of skepticism.103500:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,280But I can't even talk skepticism.103600:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,080100%.103700:43:21,080 --> 00:43:21,600Courtney--103800:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,680otherwise, you just kind of get lost.103900:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,840And you get a little too, like, too be free.104000:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,560Yeah.104100:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,560Courtney and I are in a lot of the same kind of Facebook104200:43:30,560 --> 00:43:31,960witch groups and stuff.104300:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,080And there are so many times that people will post stuff104400:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,880and be like, what does this mean?104500:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,360And it's like, sometimes it's just one of the guys that104600:43:39,360 --> 00:43:39,920ran it.104700:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,280He posted a clump of cat liver that was in the shape of a heart.104800:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,480And he was like, what do you guys think it means?104900:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,080And he waited for people to be like, oh, maybe a cat.105000:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080And that was you.105100:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,320Or maybe a cat's trying to tell you something or whatever.105200:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,120And he was like, y'all, sometimes it's just cat pee.105300:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880Like, sometimes it's literally just like it's just105400:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,560a turd in the shape of a heart.105500:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,040Like, sometimes it doesn't mean anything.105600:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,320Sometimes it's just cat litter.105700:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,040And you got to take it and move on.105800:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,760So there's definitely that balance that you have to live in.105900:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,520Yeah, yeah, for sure.106000:44:13,520 --> 00:44:13,840Yeah.106100:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,280On the other hand, I say I'm a skeptic.106200:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,120It's mostly about the actual ghost stuff106300:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,760I'm a little bit skeptical about.106400:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,080But I'm trying to see the tiny little moments too106500:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,080that could be considered magical.106600:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,840Like the quarter.106700:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,200Yeah, the quarter.106800:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,040Yeah.106900:44:32,040 --> 00:44:32,800Yeah.107000:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,760Yeah.107100:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640Recently, I wanted to buy a Curio cabinet107200:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,960for my Uranium glass collection.107300:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,600And I've been watching it for like a week107400:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,440because it's really expensive.107500:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,080And I'm like, it's black Friday.107600:44:45,080 --> 00:44:45,880Maybe we'll go on sale.107700:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,640Maybe we'll go on sale.107800:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,560And so I've been watching it and watching it.107900:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,040And then like, black Friday came.108000:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,720And I was like, really watching it all day.108100:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,520And I'm like, why aren't they putting it on sale?108200:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,440Yeah, it's like a $1200 or a cabinet.108300:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,560I'm just like, I can't.108400:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,680I just don't want to pay that.108500:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,760And I just kept like him in a hog.108600:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,600And then a customer came in and her husband108700:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,080offered me a Curio cabinet.108800:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,040And they showed me the picture of it.108900:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,560And it looks just like the one I was looking at online.109000:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,520It just wasn't black.109100:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,080I'm like, whatever.109200:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,120I'll paint it.109300:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,160And they're just like, yeah, we're just going to get rid of it109400:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,080so you could have it.109500:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,120And I'm like, are you kidding me?109600:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,040Nice.109700:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,800I love us so perfect.109800:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,080The universe is just like, here you go.109900:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,320Exactly.110000:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,160Love it.110100:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,440Now you got it.110200:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,400You manifested that shit.110300:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,680Absolutely.110400:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,000So yeah, I've been keeping notes of those little moments110500:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,360and stuff in my grammar lately just to try to like see110600:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,360that magic that they have happens.110700:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,360Because you normally like that would happen to anybody.110800:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,200And they'd just be like, oh, of course it ends, you know,110900:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,160but like I'm trying to be like, oh, no, I'm111000:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000manifested that.111100:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,760I made that happen.111200:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,760Yeah.111300:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,000And being open to it is part of it, too.111400:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,680And like understanding they're like putting that out111500:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,760there and speaking those intentions, it's so powerful.111600:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,760That's why we do that on the moon circles and on the Sabbath.111700:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,280So you actually want to say it and name it and say, this is what111800:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,760I want to call into my life.111900:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640That's the whole point of those kinds of things.112000:46:14,640 --> 00:46:14,960Yeah.112100:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000And I feel like you can always start small, too.112200:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,560Just something super small, like a cabinet.112300:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,440That was kind of a big thing.112400:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,680But even if it's like, you know, pair of shoes that you want112500:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,840or something, I feel like you can start really small112600:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,200and just see like your potential of what you can get.112700:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800I manifested a penny once.112800:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,120So did you just really need a penny?112900:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,600It was a Monday and we're closed on Mondays.113000:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,520And my husband's like, he doesn't like to put a zero in the books.113100:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,120So he always like, if we go out shopping, he'll be like looking113200:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,360for change on the ground.113300:46:50,360 --> 00:46:50,920He's so right.113400:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,680When I get the grocery store and he's like, we're like in the113500:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,400checkout line or getting close to it.113600:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,240And he's like, I forgot to look for a penny.113700:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,640So I was like, OK, let's go down here.113800:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,560And I kept thinking and thinking he could find a penny.113900:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,840He could find a penny down this aisle.114000:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,560And he turned.114100:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,560And there was a penny on the floor right there in the aisle.114200:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,520And I was like, yes.114300:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,160Oh my god, I love that.114400:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,000Awesome.114500:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,080It's perfect.114600:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,680You just needed one penny.114700:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,440Like, now if I could just do that for a million times.114800:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,320Right?114900:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,160We'd be good.115000:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,880Good to go.115100:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,800I love those stories.115200:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,320Well, is there any last things that we didn't touch on that you115300:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,640want to talk about about literally anything you want?115400:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,160No, thanks.115500:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,560So I didn't talk too much about the good news of Druidry.115600:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,320But we can--115700:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,000Do you want to?115800:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,840We get to joke.115900:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,320Oh.116000:47:37,320 --> 00:47:37,920It's a joke.116100:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,720I buy it.116200:47:38,720 --> 00:47:39,800You can go into that.116300:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,800It's fine.116400:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,920[LAUGHTER]116500:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,760You should.116600:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,160I want to hear it.116700:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,600I study Druidry.116800:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,520And so every time anybody comes into the store and they're116900:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,760like I'm considering a pagan path, I'm like, have you heard the good news117000:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,960of Druidry?117100:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,400I'm like the unofficial Druid ambassador.117200:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,480So it was plugging everything off.117300:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,440Well, can you tell me--117400:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,400OK, so can you tell us what that means?117500:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,000Because I don't really know what that means.117600:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,680Solaris?117700:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,000Yeah.117800:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,600So Druidry is a nature-based religion.117900:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,440It's kind of like WCA in that.118000:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,600It celebrates the Sabbath and things like that.118100:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,080It's not like WCA in that.118200:48:22,080 --> 00:48:27,920WCA has some very laid down dogma intents118300:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,120that you're supposed to follow.118400:48:29,120 --> 00:48:29,600How many rules?118500:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,800The rule of three.118600:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,120Yes, exactly.118700:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,040And so Druidry doesn't really have that.118800:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,800You follow the wheel of the year.118900:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,280You follow the season's little paths.119000:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,080It's a very chill religion.119100:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,520And some people actually say that it's not a religion.119200:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,680It's more of a spiritual path.119300:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,800So it kind of depends on your viewpoint of it.119400:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,320It's all about following the seasons, the wheel of the year,119500:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,240living more in tune with nature, understanding119600:48:55,240 --> 00:48:58,800how the seasons affect you on an energetic level119700:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,640and on a spiritual level.119800:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,440And kind of just learning what that is.119900:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,560The thing about Druidry is it's what you make it.120000:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,840Some people follow the path of the bard, which120100:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,960is very artistic.120200:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,360So like if you write or you do art or you make music,120300:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,360that's one path.120400:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,040Some people follow the path of the ovate, which120500:49:21,040 --> 00:49:27,880is divination, herbalism, working with stones, shadow work,120600:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,040that kind of thing.120700:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,320And then other people will follow the path of the Druid,120800:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,520which is teaching, kind of starting their own grove,120900:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,560and things like that.121000:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,320So there's a lot of different ways that you can be a Druid.121100:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,160Mostly like an argrove, it's completely open.121200:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,560If you want to come, you can come.121300:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,440If you don't want to come, you don't have to.121400:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,920There are no attendance requirements.121500:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,440You don't have to be a member or anything like that.121600:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,960Whenever people say, I love nature,121700:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,200I really experience my spirituality when I'm outside.121800:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,880I'm awed by looking up at the trees121900:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,360or noticing the changing of the season.122000:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,240Yes, I'm like, oh, you're a Druid.122100:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,680OK, cool.122200:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,960Welcome to Druidry.122300:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,320It's pretty much whatever you make it.122400:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,200There's no central dogma of Druidry.122500:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,240There's no holy book.122600:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,360There's no one person to look to that's like, oh,122700:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,680this is the person that started Druidry.122800:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,640And this is the main Druid or whatever.122900:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,000It's all about just kind of living more in tune with yourself123000:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,400and with nature and understanding how those two things123100:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,720interact.123200:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,880So that's the good news about Druidry.123300:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,840Basically, whenever anybody comes into the shop123400:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,480and they're like, I really like nature.123500:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,960I really like growing things.123600:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,120And I think I might be a pagan.123700:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,480I'm like, you're a Druid.123800:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,280Let me tell you more about Druid.123900:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,000Here's this book.124000:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,640You should read it.124100:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,800It's great.124200:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,080Do you have a book recommendation?124300:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,840I have many book recommendations.124400:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,280I have an entire thing.124500:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,360One of the best ones that I like to start with124600:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,200is Principles of Druidry by Emma Restelor.124700:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,800She's a wonderful author.124800:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,400She's very, very sweet, very, very kind.124900:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000It's a great way to learn about Druidry125000:51:09,000 --> 00:51:15,320and kind of experience it as a living, breathing spiritual practice125100:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200rather than something stuffy to read in a book.125200:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,760Emma Restelor's words really come to life.125300:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,080And she has a beautiful way of introducing that.125400:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,440That I think is fantastic.125500:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,080That would be my recommendation.125600:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,640Now I have a new book to read.125700:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,480Yeah.125800:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,760It's funny because I feel like we're a little bit125900:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,920on opposite sides of the spectrum.126000:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,400But I mean, I love that because that means126100:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,160that we're just covering all sides of the spectrum.126200:51:42,160 --> 00:51:42,680Right?126300:51:42,680 --> 00:51:43,160We're people.126400:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,600Because my path is very, very different than Lizzie's.126500:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,760Yeah.126600:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,080I'm the tree hugging hippie type.126700:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,680Do you want to talk about your path?126800:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,440Sure.126900:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,280I can.127000:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,040I'm very new to it.127100:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,680So anybody listening for Give Me,127200:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,720if I say something that is not correct,127300:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,000because I'm still learning.127400:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,760And I'm very new.127500:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,720We all are, yeah.127600:52:03,720 --> 00:52:04,440Yeah.127700:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,440Right.127800:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,880But it is going to sound weird, but hear me out.127900:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,480So it's called Necromancy or the Necromancer,128000:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,480which it's not the Hollywood version of Necromancy,128100:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,280where you're trying to bring dead things back to life.128200:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,000Right.128300:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,320But basically the way I understand it128400:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,520that I'm learning about is that any kind of working128500:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,120with the dead or death energy,128600:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,760even communicating with the dead,128700:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,280such as all your forms of divination,128800:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,680even the tarot cards can be considered128900:52:40,680 --> 00:52:48,360a part of this or scrying just all those various things.129000:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,160So I'm kind of excited because I just129100:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,680started learning about this.129200:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,800And I finally love it.129300:52:52,800 --> 00:52:52,960I love it.129400:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,280I have a path that fits me and that goes with.129500:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,640Because I've been doing bone art and taxidermy art129600:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,640for a while.129700:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,880For me, that's a way of just sort of honoring life129800:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,680and keeping the cycle going.129900:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,440You're giving life and beauty to something that is dead and gone.130000:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,520So it's keeping that transformation of that cycle going.130100:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,440So I love that.130200:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,520I love that.130300:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,920I feel like I'm a total mix between the two of you.130400:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,240Because I'm so interested in nature130500:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,760about I'm also so interested in death.130600:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,040But I feel like they totally go together.130700:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,240It's 100%.130800:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,560It's 100%.130900:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,600It's that cycle.131000:53:36,600 --> 00:53:37,440Yeah, that's what I'm saying.131100:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,200I feel like her and I like cover the whole spectrum.131200:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,560I know.131300:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,600And even our clothing choices, you're there all in life.131400:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,560And I'm here in green.131500:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,640That just cracks me up, man.131600:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,480So there's something funny that I--131700:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,760OK, I'll tell you about this because it's funny.131800:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,960So I've kind of wanted a human skull131900:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,800just for my collection for a long time.132000:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,080They are very expensive.132100:53:59,080 --> 00:53:59,560Yes.132200:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,000I'm always telling people, if you murder somebody,132300:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000do not let that go to waste.132400:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,840So--132500:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,840Right.132600:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,080And then do you promise?132700:54:07,080 --> 00:54:07,960Do you promise?132800:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,920We got that right.132900:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,760We got you.133000:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,360But recently, I don't know why it never occurred to me133100:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,040that the human body has lots of other bones, obviously.133200:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,720I mean, the skull is the coolest part.133300:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,440And the most important.133400:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,120But so I'm studying this stuff that I'm reading this book133500:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,960called "The Bones Fall in a Spiral"133600:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,680by Mortellis.133700:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,600And so there's a thing in there where133800:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,040you make what's called a skeleton key.133900:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,120And it's to help you transverse different worlds,134000:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,440like the underworld and the liminal spaces and things like that.134100:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,960And she suggests getting a--134200:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,240what does she call-- a metacarpal bone for this.134300:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,280And I first thought that was a finger.134400:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,240It's not a finger.134500:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,440It's like this bone in your hand.134600:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,240No.134700:54:56,240 --> 00:54:57,080OK.134800:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,880And you carve a sigil on it and do some stuff.134900:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,960And I was like, school, but I want a finger bone.135000:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,560Because it's like, oh, wide.135100:55:06,560 --> 00:55:07,440Great.135200:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,120And it never occurred to me in the past135300:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,120that I could just buy a finger bone.135400:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,040So I got a finger and I bought a carpal,135500:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,160and I'm going to put them together.135600:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,120And then of course, I'm going to rhinestone them135700:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,760because I love things to be sparkly because they should.135800:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,280And then I'm just going to carry it around.135900:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,760And whenever I have to point at something,136000:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,240I'm just going to pull it out and use it to point at things.136100:55:29,240 --> 00:55:29,880Oh my goodness.136200:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,880I love it.136300:55:30,880 --> 00:55:31,920That's amazing.136400:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,000That's amazing.136500:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,560You should make like a little string so it can kind of move136600:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,240a little bit.136700:55:37,240 --> 00:55:38,080Yes.136800:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,320So you can be like, come here.136900:55:39,320 --> 00:55:39,840Come here.137000:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,720Somebody told me I should turn it into like a stylus.137100:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,760So I could be on my phone like with my finger bone.137200:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,840Yes.137300:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,000Yes.137400:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,840That would be incredible.137500:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,560So many things you can do.137600:55:51,560 --> 00:55:52,600I love it.137700:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,000So many fun things you can do with bones.137800:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,840So yeah.137900:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,080So if anyone's listening, just know that I'm very weird,138000:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,040and you cannot necessarily be weirder.138100:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,000So if you feel like you are--138200:56:04,000 --> 00:56:04,720True.138300:56:04,720 --> 00:56:05,040Yeah.138400:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,640I feel like they're pretty used to it around me.138500:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,120I'm just so weird.138600:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,240Letting out the whole point of a community like this138700:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,720is that you can come as you are.138800:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,040And you don't have to worry.138900:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,640Nobody's going to give you the side eye and be like,139000:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,240wow, that weird person over there.139100:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,640Your farmer likely to get the side eye139200:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,240if you show up in like a 3-piece suit139300:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,200and you're like super stuffy normal.139400:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,200Like we're going to be like, fuck you around with that guy.139500:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,240Yeah, exactly.139600:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,440What's the normie doing here?139700:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,160What's up with that?139800:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,320You have tourists in the building.139900:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,560Yeah, exactly.140000:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,480A tourist.140100:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,280Exactly.140200:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,360Have you heard the news of Drew and Drew?140300:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,720Have you heard the news of Necro-Mancy?140400:56:42,720 --> 00:56:43,800Come sit with us.140500:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,840We will tell you.140600:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,040Do you ever have people who just--140700:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,560I mean, it's probably dumb question--140800:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,240but who just wander into the shop and not140900:56:53,240 --> 00:56:54,640know what it is?141000:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,480Oh, yeah.141100:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,800Like every day, every day.141200:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,640Really?141300:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,080Well, because the street that we're141400:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,640is kind of like between a park and all the Oranco141500:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,640apartment buildings.141600:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,600So we get people who are going to the park, walk in their dog,141700:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,960that sort of thing.141800:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,640So yeah, all the time, especially in October,141900:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,120we've had people coming in looking for costumes.142000:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,840Yeah, because they think we're a Halloween shop.142100:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,760Or-- and I've gotten a lot better to just flat out be like,142200:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,640no, this is a witch store.142300:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,720Yeah.142400:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,560I think that if you're just opening up front,142500:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,840it kind of dismisses any possible negativity142600:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,360right off the bat.142700:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,840So now that we get any, we really don't, but just in case.142800:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,400But yeah, most people are just like, oh, OK.142900:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,320They wander around.143000:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,080They can appreciate that it's pretty.143100:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,080The building is nice.143200:57:50,080 --> 00:57:50,800It's old.143300:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,640We did a good job making it up.143400:57:54,640 --> 00:57:55,160But--143500:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,000You did.143600:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,280So they will be like, oh, yeah, this isn't for me.143700:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,800But I love what you did with the place.143800:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,040Oh, yeah.143900:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,920That is so interesting to me, because I144000:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,680thought for sure you'd be like, no, because the outside144100:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,600of the building is--144200:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,680it's kind of obvious what the place is.144300:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,320But I guess during Halloween, they could just think, oh,144400:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,840it's just decorated around.144500:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,680For sure.144600:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,480Right.144700:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,160It's like a spirit Halloween outpost thing.144800:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,080We just opened it up for one month a year.144900:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,040That was a lot of work.145000:58:29,040 --> 00:58:29,960Exactly.145100:58:29,960 --> 00:58:30,720Oh, my God.145200:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,680Seriously, yeah.145300:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,920I did tell August though.145400:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,240So we opened up October 1st last year.145500:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,600So we didn't have a lot of time to decorate for Halloween145600:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,960last year.145700:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,920So this year, we got a whole bunch of stuff.145800:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,840And I spent an entire month making Halloween decor and stuff145900:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,960and putting it up.146000:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,960And we spent quite a bit on it to his chagrin, of course.146100:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440But I'm like, you know?146200:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,160And I'm like, you feel like this stuff for years.146300:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,600I didn't really tell him that I plan on doing this every year146400:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,440so that our collection grows.146500:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,400Because I'm like, one day, we'll want to retire.146600:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,360And that's when we can just set up the backyard146700:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,960hot and people come through.146800:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,320And we only have to work one month a year.146900:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,320Exactly.147000:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,920Because that's perfect.147100:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,640Long term goals, you know?147200:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,640Right.147300:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,640Yeah.147400:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,640You see the big picture.147500:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,880He wants to like--147600:59:25,880 --> 00:59:26,800Yeah, right.147700:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,120He wants to like retire to some like Norwegian country147800:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,160that's freezing.147900:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,400I don't know.148000:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,480They don't even have Halloween over there.148100:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,720No, you can say you're with me.148200:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,160Can you live there like one month a year?148300:59:39,160 --> 00:59:39,680Right.148400:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,000And retire there one month a year, exactly.148500:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,960Right.148600:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,360So you got married at the Witches Castle.148700:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,200Or did you just take pictures there?148800:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,280No, we actually got married there.148900:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,280Yeah.149000:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,760I think I was stalking your website.149100:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,800And I was like, no way.149200:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,600Because we did a story on that place.149300:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,280It's haunted.149400:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,080Oh, nice.149501:00:00,080 --> 01:00:00,600Yeah.149601:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,480Awesome.149701:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,760Yeah.149801:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,440It was a little bit different than we expected.149901:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,120I think it's got a lot of graffiti on it now.150001:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,720Did one of the pictures online showed.150101:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,880But yeah, it was still a beautiful place.150201:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,160We did the whole--150301:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,320we did a hand-fasting.150401:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,720We were eloping.150501:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,880We had just moved here.150601:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,280So we didn't know anybody.150701:00:20,280 --> 01:00:25,720We literally had to pay the person who did the ceremony extra150801:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,640to bring somebody to take pictures150901:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,760and some people to be witnesses.151001:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,600Because we didn't even have witnesses.151101:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,120So yeah, so we did a whole circle on the ground.151201:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,680We had her call in, the four directions,151301:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,120and the ancestors, and all that.151401:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,320I had it all set up there.151501:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,320Yeah, we did the whole nine yards.151601:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,120We did the jumping over the broom afterwards.151701:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,920One of her family members was there151801:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,040who kind of kept people out at least.151901:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,120Because it's a kind of a tourist attraction.152001:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,240Yeah, it's like a hiking trail, too.152101:00:58,240 --> 01:00:58,840Yeah.152201:00:58,840 --> 01:00:59,840Yeah.152301:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,160So we did go earlier in the day.152401:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,400But we had quite a few people just stop and watch.152501:01:04,400 --> 01:01:04,920And like--152601:01:04,920 --> 01:01:05,520I would.152701:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,320That'd be so interesting.152801:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,200So she at least kept them from coming152901:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,160into the castle where we were doing our thing.153001:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,160So that's so cool.153101:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,480This is good.153201:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,480Yeah.153301:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,720What did you call it?153401:01:17,720 --> 01:01:18,720Hand-fasting.153501:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,520That's just the type of ceremony that we do.153601:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,240You hold hands and the officiant puts cords over your hand.153701:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,680We had different colors that represented different things,153801:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,280like gray for getting old together or stuff like that.153901:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,080And so she would read through all those as she put the cord,154001:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,760and then she tied it into a knot.154101:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,360And that's like symbolizing the marriage part of it.154201:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,000And we held our rings in our hands, too, under the knot,154301:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,640and that's the thing.154401:01:48,640 --> 01:01:49,680So yeah.154501:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,600Oh, that's so cool.154601:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,720I've never seen a wedding like that before.154701:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,560I would love to see something like that.154801:01:55,560 --> 01:01:56,680I don't want to get married.154901:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,640But I want to witness it.155001:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,640It seems we're going to be doing some here at the shop.155101:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,640Oh, wow, really?155201:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,120Yeah.155301:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,360There's people who have asked--155401:02:07,360 --> 01:02:07,360Yeah.155501:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,160--and we see those.155601:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,160How do you officiate?155701:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,920Yes, I am ordained.155801:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,800I can do handfastings, all that kind of stuff.155901:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,200So if you want to get married at the shop or in the backyard156001:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,440or something like that, I can absolutely officiate them.156101:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,160We did have a couple get married in our backyard156201:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,880a while, like last year or something.156301:02:27,880 --> 01:02:28,720Oh, yeah.156401:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,400Because they needed witnesses, too.156501:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,520And so we'll be your witnesses if you need witnesses.156601:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,440We know what it's like to not have any package deal.156701:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,520Toast.156801:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,680Well, thank you guys so much for talking with me.156901:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,160This was so much fun.157001:02:43,160 --> 01:02:43,400Great.157101:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,240Thank you.157201:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,720I'll have to come to one of the moon ceremonies157301:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,800because that just sounds like a blast.157401:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,960Absolutely.157501:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,000We have one coming up.157601:02:52,000 --> 01:02:52,480Yes.157701:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,000Yeah.157801:02:53,000 --> 01:02:53,600Ooh, win.157901:02:53,600 --> 01:02:54,160Let's see.158001:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,560Full moon.158101:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,080Tuesday, I think.158201:02:57,080 --> 01:02:57,440Yep.158301:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,320Tuesday at 7.30.158401:02:59,320 --> 01:02:59,920Oh my gosh.158501:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,520I have Tuesdays off.158601:03:01,520 --> 01:03:02,920It's like it's meant to be.158701:03:02,920 --> 01:03:03,920OK, I'm going to do that.158801:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,520There you go.158901:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,280Let's take it like deathly ill or something.159001:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,960But come by.159101:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,400Come by.159201:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,120Yes.159301:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,800And we have it all decorated up for Krampmas right now.159401:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,960Oh, yes.159501:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,880I love that.159601:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,520I feel like we get more people who like the Krampmas159701:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,120than the cared about how--159801:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,280Really?159901:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,120Ironically.160001:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,120Yeah.160101:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,120Yeah.160201:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,120I like both.160301:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,120They're just not used to seeing spooky stuff at Christmas.160401:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,120Yeah.160501:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,120That makes sense.160601:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,960Besides your family shit, that's always very spooky, right?160701:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,480We definitely put some fanat hats and elf hats on the skeletons160801:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,080because it was too much fun.160901:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,080You should take down.161001:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,080That works.161101:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,080Great.161201:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,080Exactly.161301:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,080Awesome.161401:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,080Well, thank you so much.161501:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,080Yeah.161601:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,080And have a great rest of your weekend.161701:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,600And I hope I will see you Tuesday.161801:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,600Yes.161901:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,600Have a great day.162001:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,920Have a great day.162101:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,200If you loved listening to that episode162201:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,280and you want to see it with your own eyeballs,162301:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,880then you can join our Patreon.162401:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,040And we have uploaded the--162501:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,040the entire video of my interview with Courtney and 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--> 01:06:53,560[MUSIC PLAYING]168501:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,560[MUSIC PLAYING]168601:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,560[MUSIC PLAYING]168701:06:59,560 --> 01:07:26,320Sorry, I have to burp.168801:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,240You're totally back.168901:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,440Thanks, giving me a--169001:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,040I hope you don't edit that for now.169101:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,080Yeah, seriously, I would leave that as--169201:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,840That is Thanksgiving right there, right?169301:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,000Like, totally.169401:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,040I just manifested the shit out of that.169501:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,480I swear, I have a response.169601:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,800It's just slightly stuck behind a bubble.169701:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,000[LAUGHTER]