A Friend, A Sheriff, & A Murder: Who Killed Eric Tamiyasu?

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Well look at that, this fucking guy, Don Dixon, after the helpful friend following his

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unfortunate discovery shared something else of interest regarding Eric's private life,

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but he thought my provide illumination in the case.

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He said that Eric had recently told him about a new relationship that he had struck up,

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supposedly with a Polynesian woman, who happened to be married.

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Oh no!

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Hi Cassie.

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Hi Caitlyn.

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Hi Creepy people.

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Oh hello!

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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where...

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What is it that we do again?

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I'm just kidding.

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We chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.

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Or the PNW.

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If you're nasty.

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Oh, we did that good.

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That was good.

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I didn't know you were joining me.

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I felt I was feeling it.

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I feel like that's probably about the same as when you're in one of those churches, you

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know, and people feel the spirit.

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I felt your spirit, for sure, your nasty spirit.

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My nice spirit.

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What else do we do here?

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Oh, I think we do some tarot reading at the end of every episode.

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For a little deeper insight into our topic.

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All right.

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Should we get into it?

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I...

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Yeah.

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Let's do it.

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I'm ready.

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Let's go.

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Okay, great.

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Your enthusiasm is as per usual underwhelming.

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Eric Tamiyasu was born November 23rd, 1959, to parents Mitsugi, who went by mits,

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and Jinko Jean Kiyomura.

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Tamiyasu.

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JNCO Jeans?

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Isn't that like a thing?

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That's...

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Yeah.

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It's going to take a lot to get me out of that.

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Luckily, I think I'm going to refer to her as Jean, which was what she went by.

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Okay.

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I like the Mitsy.

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What is it, Mits?

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Mits.

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Not Mitsy, that's a cat name.

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But like...

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Yeah.

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Or, or, or, or, or, or, or, mitsie kind of has a little bit of a feminine air to it.

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And Mits.

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Mits is.

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Eric's dad.

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Okay.

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Mits was born and raised in Hood River, a graduate of Hood River High School in 1941.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Probably not a lot of people out there in 1941.

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No.

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And...

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Do two events?

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Sometimes there would be less people.

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Do you remember anything about the '40s?

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World War II?

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Yes.

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I'm so good.

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Only because we've talked about it recently in a bunch of episodes for some reason.

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We sure have.

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Yeah.

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I think we've discussed.

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World War II is sort of like my Roman Empire sometimes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anyways, that one war.

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During World War II, mits and his family were forcibly relocated like many other Asian Americans.

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That old thing.

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That old thing.

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They were halted camps in both Wyoming and California.

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When they were eventually released, the family returned to their family orchard in Hood River.

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Oh, an orchard.

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Yeah.

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Because Hood River is like the fruity place.

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It's the fruit loop and stuff.

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Yes.

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I want to focus on the good stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well.

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Yeah.

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I'm coming in hot with not a lot of good stuff and I'm going to be honest.

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This is I went back story and I was looking for some good, good folksy, awesome stuff and

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it's there.

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And then it's also real dark.

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This is also where mits met and fell in love with Jean Kiyomera who herself was an

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organ native born in Portland.

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Our family had also endured internment during the war at Minidoka in Idaho.

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Have we talked about that place before?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That sounds really familiar.

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I thought that might ring a bell.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately.

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Shortly after she graduated from high school and the family was released, she went to work

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as a nurse for Shriners Children's Hospital in Minnesota.

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Okay.

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Despite the harsh realities, they had faced during wartime.

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Both were young people who seemingly went on to thrive and give much of themselves to

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those around them.

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Aww.

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I mean, a nurse at a children's hospital.

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Seriously.

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Yeah.

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It's unclear from my research what eventually brought her back to the state of Oregon, but

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once she made her way, the couple quickly united in a whirlwind romance.

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Oh, I love a good whirlwind.

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I know.

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In the post-World War II era.

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Oh.

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Say World War II whirlwind romance.

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Five times as.

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I barely said it one time.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you and good night.

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The pair started a family and went on to have four children.

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Stan, Eric, Teresa, and Ramona.

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Jean seemed to revel in their fruitful life, tending to their children as well as orchard

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with her husband and some of their extended family.

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Having access to all of the finest fresh fruit one could want, led to legendary expertise

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in making her own jams, jellies, and particularly pies.

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I was literally thinking about like jam, jam.

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She was an accomplished woman when it came to traditional endeavors and homemaking and

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child rearing, but she was also passionate about her more leisurely endeavors like Cross stitch,

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playing the piano, and she was also a serious Portland Trailblazers fan.

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Wow.

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I know.

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Super wholesome.

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I know.

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And it's interesting because some of her hobbies in particular reminded me so much of Chris's

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mom all across stitch the Blazers adorable.

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I love it.

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She also kept in touch with many friends from all over by sending letters in her beautiful

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curse of handwriting.

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Oh, look at good handwritten letter.

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I know.

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I have terrible handwriting.

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So I'll bring you a letter and I'll make it smell real nice, but it's not going to look great.

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I mean, it might look great in the sense that do you enjoy gel pens?

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I mean, yeah, the shimmery kind.

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Oh, hell yeah.

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For sure.

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Mm-hmm.

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If you have bad hand, or you have to write in a gel pen, it's the law.

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I think so.

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The tone is about to shift.

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And we're not even really getting to the sad sad.

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Sad sad.

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There's more sad than just normal sad.

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There's actually just layers of sad.

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Oh, yeah.

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I thought, let me open this with something light.

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How about a little bit of a chat about, I don't know, something casual like jams and jellies

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and, you know, the government forcibly in turning its own citizens.

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Yeah, that's disgusting.

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I hate it.

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That's the light part.

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Jean passed away at age 88 in May of 2013, just two years after her husband.

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They both seemed to have lived very full lives and both passed in May just two years and a

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handful of days apart.

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Though myths would live 80 of his 88 years in the very same house that he grew up in, his

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life was far from doldrum.

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They both died at 88 also.

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Oh, my gosh.

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I know it took me a little bit as I was reading through the information about both of them

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and, you know, their lives and then their passing.

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And I was like, are you kidding me?

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It's very notebook.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Like, same month, two years apart, same age.

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And I was in that strange, but it's very strange.

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First off, if nothing else, there's a bizarre synchronicity of their passing.

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But myths actually died on Friday the 13th.

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Wow.

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A very lucky day, but we died on it, so I know.

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I just think it gives real bad ass vibes, you know.

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But getting back to the land of the living, myths traveled abroad extensively with his beloved

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local lions club, enjoyed foraging, fishing, and even collected antiques.

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Kind of a cool gay.

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Haunted antiques?

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I don't think so.

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Can we turn this into ghosts?

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He was an active community member and a friend to many, frequently sporting a jauntie hat,

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as well as a cigar and a smile.

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What is a jauntie hat?

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I think it just means like he just was like very casual about how he wore it.

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I'm not totally clear on that.

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A jauntie hat.

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Yes.

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I do have some pictures of him and I think it's an apt description, but I'm picturing

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one of the hats with like the helicopters on it.

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No.

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I'm stuck on his head just to twirl and I think maybe a skew is a good way to describe it,

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but I don't recall seeing a helicopter.

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That's just what I'm thinking in my mind.

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You know this little helicopter hat, you know what I'm talking about?

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Oh, I know what you're talking about.

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It's just a doesn't apply.

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By contrast, there's on the Eric at 41 years old, though he shared his father's occupation

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as an orchardist and the general good-naturedness of both of his parents, it seemed he was more

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reserved.

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I think that's why at least in part, so much of the focus on this family and Eric in particular

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has to do primarily with the strange circumstances surrounding his 2001 death rather than the beautiful

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tapestry of the lives that they all led.

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On 25th, 2001, Eric and his longtime friend Diana Anderson have been spending the evening

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together at his home, which happened to be located within a fairly isolated area of Hood

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River.

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Though the two had been very good friends for some time, they had met that evening with

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the intention of discussing their relationship as it seemed that they had developed romantic

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feelings for each other.

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Oh, they got a DTR.

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Wait, what's DTR?

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Define the relationship.

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Oh, duh.

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It looked to be the start of a new phase in life.

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One that might mean a serious relationship, though they considered that evening to be their

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first official date.

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Oh, yeah.

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Very sweet.

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Very sweet and awesome.

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At first.

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Well, at Eric's home that evening, the couple had heard tapping sounds outside and felt like

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the sounds were emanating from the area of the front door.

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Upon inspection after the doorbell rang, no one appeared to be outside.

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But there was reportedly a lone chuprint present somewhere outside.

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Okay.

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So tapping on the front door.

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Doorbell.

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Yeah, and then one chuprint.

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So someone's hopping around.

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Yeah.

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pogo sticking it.

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This was troubling to Diana as she drove home and has no doubt continued to puzzle her

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in the day's sense as the last person to see Eric alive.

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Oh, no.

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After he was murdered in his own home execution style, nearly a week went by before anyone

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was concerned about his absence, concerned enough that they actually went to check on him.

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And even what's her name Diana?

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Is that her name?

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Yeah, it's kind of unusual, I think, but I mean, yeah.

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What was normal for their relationship, but that seems like a while.

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There's a lot of discourse about that, to be honest.

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And I think just based on the fact that it was 2001, texting wasn't really as common.

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Yeah.

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So it's true.

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You might not hear from a friend for a week at a time and that probably wouldn't have

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been all that unusual.

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I think they just like DTR.

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Yeah.

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You think you would be like, you cited and want to see the person every day, but.

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Right.

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Or like, at least hear from them.

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Yeah.

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So you know that it didn't get weird.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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Like, who called you?

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Yeah.

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It's hard to be a woman.

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Sure is.

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On June 30, Don Dixon stopped by to check on him as no one in his life had heard from him

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recently.

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Conveniently, he had a key, reportedly to the back door.

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I'm not sure if this is something that's mentioned specifically because there were multiple

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different keys for entry to his home or if it's some sort of weird underhanded or almost

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Freudian way of insinuating something else.

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I'm not even sure what that would be exactly.

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It just feels.

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If I'm like, um, poking, I'm poking on that, I feel like he had the key to his back door.

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That kind of thing.

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I don't think so.

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I don't even know that that would be.

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No.

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It's just weird.

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And it's actually the whole thing about the key is just weird and maybe that's what I'm

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picking up.

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We're going to, we'll talk about the key.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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It just feels like there's something there and.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't know how say I lived in has a different key for the back door.

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So I've not personally experienced that.

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Just because I just seemed odd.

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Does he only want hit like is that only giving him access to a certain part of the house?

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Like, what does that mean?

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Maybe they didn't use the front door.

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I, you know, so many questions, but obviously they someone, someone tried to do something to

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the front.

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They knocked.

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They bring the belt.

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I.

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So many questions.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Maybe that's not that weird.

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Seems weird.

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But like you bring that up and you think it's like really weird and I'm like, oh yeah, last

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house I lived in had a different key for the back door.

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Thanks a lot, asshole.

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Sorry.

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It's just my life experience.

321
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Yeah.

322
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Nope.

323
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I mean, it is, that is interesting because I feel like I thought that's odd.

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I don't think that's necessarily like a typical thing, but it certainly wasn't beyond

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the realm of possibility.

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I just was like, what does that mean?

327
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Yeah.

328
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Anyway.

329
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I don't know.

330
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Amongst other questions that can't be answered.

331
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Wait, I have one more question.

332
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What?

333
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What if it was just, it was just a key to the back door, you know that for sure?

334
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Or was it just like he just went in the back door?

335
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I don't even know.

336
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That's the thing.

337
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I'm like, what are they trying to say with this?

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Like, maybe because like, maybe there was a dead bolt on the back door.

339
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And he only had the key that like unlocked like the bottom lock.

340
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I don't know.

341
00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,200
Who knows, we get stuck on the weirdest shit, but we really, yeah.

342
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Trust me, I was real stuck on it and it's not even an interesting aspect of the case overall.

343
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Right.

344
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Can't choose when the hyper focus activates.

345
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Clearly.

346
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Right.

347
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Last time I learned a lot about heraldry.

348
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We have driven back.

349
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The nature of their relationship would be called into question later.

350
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And I can't help but think that the rumor mill might have gone into overdrive, which is

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actually the understatement of probably my week.

352
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Because remember what I was saying about rumors, right?

353
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040
tying our two episodes together.

354
00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,040
Yeah.

355
00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,520
Oh boy.

356
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,520
Okay.

357
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Dixon readily identified an odor upon entering the home.

358
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And when he eventually discovered Eric's decomposing body, he quickly called 911.

359
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That wasn't the only call that was made.

360
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Though it's not entirely clear which call occurred first, either to 911 or the call I'm about

361
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to describe.

362
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I think 911 first.

363
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:43,600
There's a lot of discrepancies or things that are unspecified.

364
00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:49,840
Eric's sister stated that in a phone conversation with Dawn at some point after he discovered her

365
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brother Eric's body in his home, Don told her that he did not see any exit wounds on

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Eric's body.

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You have the benefit of knowing that he was murdered in a style that is described as

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execution style.

369
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But she found this very odd because they didn't know he had been shot.

370
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,480
Who didn't know?

371
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:20,480
No one.

372
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,480
Right.

373
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But no one knew he had been shot.

374
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But this guy goes in and saw his body.

375
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Right.

376
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,160
And people that saw his body couldn't tell, could not tell.

377
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Interesting.

378
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Don claimed that he believed Eric had died by suicide, explaining that was why he mentioned

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potential exit wounds.

380
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Which is interesting because people can die by suicide other than shooting themselves.

381
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,640
Yeah.

382
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,920
It had not been apparent when his body was initially discovered that Eric had been killed

383
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by three gunshot wounds to the head.

384
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Law enforcement could not tell.

385
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,160
Apparently both law enforcement and the man claiming to be a close friend of Eric, Don

386
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,320
Dixon had no reason to suspect foul play.

387
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,920
Hood County Sheriff Joe Wompler reportedly approached Don Dixon questioning whether there

388
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,920
was a burn pile on the property.

389
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,240
Oh, that is the correct response.

390
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,320
It's never good.

391
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,840
We also would have accepted what?

392
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:30,840
What?

393
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,440
Or, oh hell no.

394
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,440
Yeah.

395
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:39,360
I don't like to hear the word like murder and burn pile in the same situation.

396
00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,360
The same day.

397
00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:41,360
No.

398
00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:42,360
No.

399
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:48,560
He intended to use the burn pet as a means of disposal for the mattress in order to spare

400
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Eric's family the grief of having to deal with it later.

401
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,880
Not your job.

402
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,480
Dixon was said to have agreed with this course of action at the time.

403
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,320
Oh, but he did.

404
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,600
Okay.

405
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,040
In the many years since Eric's death, there have been a number of stories related about how

406
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320
exactly this unfolded.

407
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,120
Some account state it was Don Dixon's idea to burn the mattress.

408
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:17,240
It's important to note here that some source material states that the mattress alone was

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burned thereafter.

410
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:24,040
While others stated it was both the bed and the linens.

411
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:33,960
I do believe that this is clarified in statements made by the DA that I will share a bit

412
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:41,840
later, assuming that you, you know, believe public statements made by the DA.

413
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,840
Hmm.

414
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,960
Certainly you wouldn't have any reason not to.

415
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,200
I don't trust your face right now.

416
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,680
Not a face to be trusted.

417
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,360
It would be weird though to like burn the mattress and not the linens if your goal is to like

418
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:55,360
get rid of it.

419
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,000
So no one else has to take care of it.

420
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000
Yeah.

421
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,920
And you don't think that death is suspicious at this point.

422
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,800
So why would you keep the linens, right?

423
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,040
What they insist.

424
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,040
Hmm.

425
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,040
I don't know.

426
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,040
It's hard to say.

427
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,680
I'd like to show me the linens.

428
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,480
Where are the linens?

429
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,520
Where are the linens?

430
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,160
Though Dixon was certain that Eric was dead, he was quoted as saying of the discovery.

431
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,280
It was like he was in bed sleeping and he was shot.

432
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,880
There was no struggle.

433
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,960
One of the sheriff's deputies who reported to the scene, detective Gary Tiffany stated,

434
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,120
Gary, Jerry, not really sure.

435
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,120
Don't really care.

436
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,120
Sorry.

437
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,880
Jerry or Gary?

438
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,160
Somebody came in here for the sole purpose of killing Eric.

439
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,640
They didn't steal anything.

440
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,640
They didn't take anything.

441
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,240
Heels were dundin' to say, but sorry.

442
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,440
I feel like a dick.

443
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,000
I don't know why.

444
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,720
Jerry/Gary didn't really do anything wrong here so far as I can tell, but I'm just so fucking

445
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,720
angry.

446
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,040
If nothing was taken from the isolated home, it stood to reason that the primary motive for

447
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,680
entering the home was likely the murder.

448
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,320
The case took on a whole new dimension with the discovery of the gunshot wounds.

449
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,720
It's remember they have no fucking idea this man was shot.

450
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,640
And they've already found his mattress.

451
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:26,720
But alas, what could have been critical forensic evidence in the case had already been lost

452
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,200
forever.

453
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,080
Because again, already burned it.

454
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,600
How did they think he died?

455
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,880
There's gotta be blood.

456
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,920
He wasn't just, right?

457
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480
He had blood in his body.

458
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,480
He did have blood in his body.

459
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,800
I obviously, because you said the mattress and like, I imagine...

460
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,960
I don't know how someone is shot in the head three times.

461
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,160
And that's completely escaping.

462
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,040
There's complete visual field.

463
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,800
I have hurtive cases where they don't realize right away that the victim was shot.

464
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,160
But like, obviously killed in a something happened, man, or...

465
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,880
I just think we just have to treat all deaths as suspicious until proven otherwise.

466
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,880
Right.

467
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,880
Like the opposite of...

468
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,880
Maybe wait for the autopsy.

469
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,880
I don't know.

470
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,880
Yeah.

471
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,880
At least.

472
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,880
It's a thought.

473
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,960
It's just very weird to like walk in and be like, "Oh, he's dead.

474
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,960
There's blood everywhere.

475
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,080
Doesn't look that suspicious."

476
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,240
I think if there had been blood everywhere.

477
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Doesn't sound like there was.

478
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,320
Don't know how that's possible.

479
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,320
I'm not sure.

480
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,920
A lot of questions.

481
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,920
That's the least of them.

482
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:56,320
According to Eric's family, he lived a quiet life with no apparent enemies or conflicts.

483
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,800
Three strong suspects in the case would emerge.

484
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,400
So there is a fourth potential suspect that some have speculated about.

485
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,080
In no particular order, the first will discuss is Eric Smith.

486
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,480
It sounds like an alias, but it does infect his name.

487
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960
Allegedly.

488
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,960
It actually is his name.

489
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,960
Oh, okay.

490
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,200
I'm just an asshole today.

491
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:28,360
While Eric's family didn't believe there were any issues between him with anyone, Don

492
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:37,200
Dixon shared a conversation that he had reportedly overheard between Eric and his business partner,

493
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,360
also named Eric, which is unfortunate and confusing.

494
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:45,040
The pair ran a small car sales company together.

495
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,440
Eric T was our victim.

496
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,440
Okay.

497
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,240
We're going to use initials.

498
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,760
Supposedly accused Eric Smith of embezzling money from their joint venture.

499
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:02,280
With the tune of about $60,000.

500
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,920
If there were any truth to this accusation made by Don Dixon, that could certainly go to

501
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,320
motive for Eric Smith in the killing.

502
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,400
Oh, wait, this was Don Dixon's in, Paul.

503
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,400
Okay.

504
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,400
Got you.

505
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,400
I'm glad you're flagging that.

506
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,400
I flagged it.

507
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,400
I've put it in that.

508
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,400
Yeah, that's right.

509
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,520
Not just a hat, rag, my friend.

510
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:27,160
However, it does not seem to have ever been substantiated.

511
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,240
Each of the three suspects would eventually in turn take polygraph tests.

512
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,840
While it cannot be said for all three suspects, Eric did pass.

513
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Good job, Eric Smith.

514
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,840
Yeah.

515
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,680
Also, I mean, first, so many.

516
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,000
It was a long time ago, right?

517
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000
No, it was 2001.

518
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000
2001.

519
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,920
Well, it was kind of a long time ago.

520
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,000
That was kind of 24 years ago.

521
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Yeah.

522
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,760
It's basically like when I was born.

523
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Oh, yeah.

524
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Yeah.

525
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,760
Yeah.

526
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,840
Anyways, so he passed the polygraph for whatever that's worth.

527
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Eric Smith has always denied that there was any issue between them regarding their business

528
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,000
or personal finances.

529
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,960
And all ones ever pointed to anything that proves that there were any issues or financial

530
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:27,160
misdeeds or business disagreements or even a stubbed toe.

531
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,280
He said they were best friends and Eric T had even been the best man at his wedding.

532
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Aww.

533
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:39,000
I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean you can't do something bad to your friend, but true.

534
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,440
It's just if there's no evidence.

535
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,440
Yeah.

536
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,440
If that's the only evidence.

537
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,080
I don't trust a polygraph, but knowing what I do for my research about the suspect pool,

538
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,600
I just don't see Eric Smith as the most viable.

539
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,360
Well, look at that.

540
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:59,200
This fucking guy, Don Dixon, ever the helpful friend following his unfortunate discovery shared

541
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,480
something else of interest regarding Eric's private life.

542
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,960
But he thought might provide illumination in the case.

543
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,560
Keep your mouth shut, Don.

544
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,560
Yeah.

545
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Shut the fuck up, Don.

546
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,360
We have feelings about Don.

547
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,680
I don't even know why yet, but I just...

548
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,680
But can you...

549
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,680
Ready?

550
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,000
Why are we talking so fucking much about Don?

551
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Yeah.

552
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,520
With a fucking Don, even.

553
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:29,280
He said that Eric had recently told him about a new relationship that he had struck up,

554
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,280
supposedly with a Polynesian woman who happened to be married.

555
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Oh no.

556
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,400
Well, look at that.

557
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:43,200
This fucking guy, Don Dixon, ever the helpful friend following his unfortunate discovery shared

558
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400
something else of interest regarding Eric's private life.

559
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,320
But he thought might provide illumination in the case.

560
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,600
However, Hood River being such a small town with a total population of about 6,000 people

561
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:04,480
at the time and the Polynesian population even smaller, some came to suspect this might

562
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,680
have been none other than Sheriff Wompler's wife.

563
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,760
Not the Sheriff's wife.

564
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Oh shit.

565
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:20,120
If the Sheriff's wife had indeed been having an affair with Eric, which no one believes,

566
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:26,080
or can substantiate in any way, except for Don, of course.

567
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,440
Then perhaps the Sheriff had a motive to murder Eric.

568
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,080
That pains his decision to burn potential evidence in the case in a very different light.

569
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,080
Which...

570
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Is fair?

571
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
It is weird.

572
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:46,120
That being said, it does not appear that this theory has ever come even remotely close to

573
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,040
being substantiated.

574
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,040
See what I did there?

575
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,320
How I said, you could see...

576
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640
You could see it in my eyes.

577
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,920
I'm trying to force out like the nice way to say...

578
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,920
Yeah.

579
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,520
Sheriff Wompler also passed the polygraph test that he was administered.

580
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Okay.

581
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,520
It's weird.

582
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,840
Didn't I say that three people took polygraph tests and two of them passed?

583
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,840
Hmm.

584
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Who failed?

585
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,840
This seems like a door of the Explorer episode, like...

586
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,760
Don Dixon sure had a lot of theories about who might have had a motive for killing Eric.

587
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Was he just a trusted friend trying to help investigators?

588
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,680
Or was he a cold blooded killer trying to cast his vision on anyone and everyone else

589
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,160
to save his own skin?

590
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Sounds like that's the one, that last one you said.

591
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,680
You'll recall the unusual statement that Don Dixon made to Eric's sister when he called

592
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,480
to inform her of Eric's death.

593
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,480
At that point, it had not been discovered that Eric had died as a result of three.

594
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Again, yet is undiscovered, gunshot wounds to the head.

595
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Strangely though, he told her that there were no exit wounds.

596
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Maybe he meant something else.

597
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720
What else could you mean?

598
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,720
Right, exactly.

599
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,720
I was speaking to the house.

600
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Like no one broke it.

601
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,120
I don't see any broken windows for someone to get out.

602
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,720
We don't actually put all those exit wounds.

603
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,720
We don't call those exit wounds.

604
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,720
No.

605
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,720
So the house.

606
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,720
I was being facetious, but I really enjoyed that you played that up with me.

607
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,720
Thank you.

608
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,720
That was fun.

609
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,360
That was fun for us.

610
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Maybe he really was aware of a secret battle that Eric had been fighting with depression.

611
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040
And that's why he believed that Eric had died by suicide.

612
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,000
It's totally reasonable.

613
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Yeah.

614
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Right.

615
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,520
I mean, it happens.

616
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,000
It sure does.

617
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:50,320
But then again, though Dixon had claimed that they were very close, other family members

618
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,480
and friends of Eric claimed that that was not the case.

619
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,560
Some of them didn't even know who he was until after Eric's death.

620
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Don Dixon.

621
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,040
Who does Don Dixon?

622
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,040
New number.

623
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Who died?

624
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:10,920
Don Dixon was also the one to discover Eric, dead in his home, which was only possible

625
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:18,880
as he'd entered the home using a key, which people didn't know he had, or that he existed.

626
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,120
It's not necessarily a crime to make someone out to have been a closer friend than they really

627
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,120
were, but does seem a little suspicious.

628
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Starting to think, did he ever produce this key?

629
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,680
Well, he would have, I mean, to get into the house he would have had to have had the key.

630
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,920
Once he picked the lock.

631
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,920
I don't know.

632
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Like, did he ever give the key to the evidence collectors?

633
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,960
We're doing great.

634
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,960
The police.

635
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,960
The investigators.

636
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Yeah.

637
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Did the investigators like ask him, like, "Hey, show me this key that you used."

638
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,960
I don't know.

639
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,480
It's unclear that that was ever like fact-checked, substantiated.

640
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,400
Or he found like the high to key or something.

641
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,400
I don't know.

642
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400
I'm starting to feel what you're feeling.

643
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Yeah.

644
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,400
A lot of questions.

645
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Yeah.

646
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Okay.

647
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,440
Don Dixon's test results from an independently administered polygraph were inconclusive.

648
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,920
According to the Sheriff's Department, they couldn't even establish a baseline, which

649
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,160
is not great.

650
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,120
Yeah, so like a...

651
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:30,040
I read like somebody who might be trying to obfuscate the test, but I've never seen...

652
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Oh, God, what is the name of that movie?

653
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,480
I'm just asking questions.

654
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,480
Hmm.

655
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,480
I don't know.

656
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,120
Sounds like something you say a lot though.

657
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Chris and I say that to each other all the time because it's this movie.

658
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Oh, my God.

659
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,520
I'm going to have to pull up a clip.

660
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Okay.

661
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,480
I forget what it's called, but she's a really funny actress and comedian.

662
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,400
And she's playing like this super tropey, like Fox News, fucking type of character.

663
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,400
And she'll do...

664
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:05,160
She'll like ask these questions that are like so clearly inflammatory or like just ridiculous.

665
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,440
And then she'll be like, I'm just asking questions.

666
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Right.

667
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,440
It's so good.

668
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,440
It's so good.

669
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,440
It's so good.

670
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Oh.

671
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:20,440
With as much confounding evidence or perhaps more accurately lack thereof and conflicting

672
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:28,360
statements being made as rumors world, it's no wonder that the case garnered some intense

673
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,640
interest both from the public and also some pretty serious media attention.

674
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:41,280
The case was featured on unsolved mysteries after crime victim advocate Jackie Hansen helped

675
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,880
the family draft letters requesting the show's assistance by spotlighting the case.

676
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Holy guacamole.

677
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,160
That's right.

678
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,480
That's really cool.

679
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,680
I might have seen this.

680
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Good.

681
00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:01,920
You know the funny thing is this was I was so fucking mad and Chris got involved and then

682
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,080
he was like, I'm fucking mad.

683
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,080
What?

684
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:13,800
So there's like eight thousand episodes, not literally, but there's a lot.

685
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:20,080
You know which one you can't, you can't watch anymore just ceases to exist on God's greener

686
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,080
than the internet.

687
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,080
This one.

688
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,580
Mm-hmm.

689
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:24,780
They link to it.

690
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:26,680
You know what comes up?

691
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,480
Totally different fucking episode.

692
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,480
What?

693
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,880
We both tried it from multiple devices multiple different times.

694
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,880
They link the wrong apps.

695
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,880
Oh, good.

696
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,640
There's no way to just like search the name and unsolved mysteries and have it

697
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,080
tell you what episode it is.

698
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Oh my god.

699
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Why didn't I think of that?

700
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,280
No, I'm saying I literally went to the unsolved mysteries catalog.

701
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Multiple different catalogs in fact with the episode number and the episode that shows

702
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,880
up the one that's there.

703
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,560
It's not the right one.

704
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Oh no.

705
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,560
It has this name in the episode description.

706
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Oh, that's odd.

707
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,680
If anybody finds it, I'd be.

708
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600
I'm sure like to watch it.

709
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,800
Can you write like write them an email?

710
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,800
Yeah.

711
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Everyone email unsolved mysteries.

712
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Where is this episode?

713
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,000
The Hood River district attorney made statements that he was pleased that the case would

714
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,160
receive high profile exposure.

715
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Because what the fuck else do you say?

716
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,160
You sure about that?

717
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,160
Yeah.

718
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Sure about that.

719
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160
They're going to see all your fuck ups.

720
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Yeah.

721
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,040
And technically he hadn't fucked up yet.

722
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,280
He just gets to be the public face of the botched investigation.

723
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,280
Right.

724
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,280
Exactly.

725
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,080
Like you were taking, you're the face.

726
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,680
You're responsible.

727
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Yeah.

728
00:35:53,480 --> 00:36:01,360
In most jurisdictions, DA and Sheriff are elected positions.

729
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,760
So it's not a great look.

730
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,840
Yeah.

731
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,720
Let's talk about the fourth suspect.

732
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:08,720
Oh, yeah.

733
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,720
Yeah.

734
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,720
OK.

735
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,720
Who seems far less frequently discussed?

736
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,720
Which actually makes him more interesting.

737
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720
Hmm.

738
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:22,120
Through the course of the investigation, it came to light that Diana Anderson had an ex-boyfriend

739
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,360
with a history of stalking behavior.

740
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040
She was the last person to have seen Erica live.

741
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,880
And though obviously she was cleared of any involvement, she was at his home late into

742
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,520
the night when they heard some odd noises.

743
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,040
They even believed her and Eric that night thought somebody.

744
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,240
It seems like somebody is trying to mess with us.

745
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,240
Yeah.

746
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,880
I mean, it seems like if someone's clearly tapping on the door, ringing the bell, like that's

747
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,840
not just a branch, you know?

748
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,840
Yep.

749
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Is it possible that a jealous, perhaps even deeply disturbed ex-boyfriend, might have decided

750
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,280
to take out a romantic rival?

751
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,760
I mean, sure.

752
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,800
Almost anything seems plausible at this point, really.

753
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,080
He told me aliens did it.

754
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,600
I'd say they don't have enough evidence to prove that they didn't.

755
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,460
I mean, he could have just been there stalking them and then someone else came and murdered

756
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:17,200
that Eric later.

757
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,240
I mean, super unlucky.

758
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,720
Yeah.

759
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,120
It would make more sense for that type of person to be ringing the bell and disappearing

760
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,760
in an attempt to disrupt their evening that night than a typical teenage prankster,

761
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
just given the remoteness of the home.

762
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:40,240
Because I don't think that Ding Dong ditching when your neighbor lives like a mile down the

763
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:48,760
road is kind of a weird choice, but I guess not a lot to do in a small town.

764
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,920
There's not very much information available pertaining to this theory.

765
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,040
If one enforcement has looked into this as you would hope, they've kept that information

766
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,640
close.

767
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,040
I'm not even sure that we know the name of the ex-boyfriend.

768
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,040
Oh wow.

769
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Like the public.

770
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,280
I'm sure the police do.

771
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,280
Right.

772
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,280
Maybe.

773
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,280
Who knows?

774
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,760
It's hard to say what they know and don't know at this point.

775
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,760
Oh, God.

776
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:20,960
Initially, Tamiyasu family offered up a $5,000 reward for information in the case, eventually

777
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:27,480
upping it to $10,000, but still the case has remained unsolved.

778
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,320
Given that fact, it can come as no surprise that the Tamiyasu family has been vocal about

779
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:38,200
their frustration of how the case was handled from the very beginning.

780
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,960
After learning that the bed where her brother, Eric, died, had been burned, Ramona questioned

781
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:52,400
what she felt was a hasty move, very possibly resulting in important clues literally going

782
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,360
up in flames.

783
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:04,640
The DA has stated confidently that the crime scene was processed correctly enough—exquise

784
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,480
me—correctly enough for a case to stand up in court.

785
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:16,280
Despite the loss of potential evidence and the delays in processing that Sheriff Wompler

786
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:23,520
pointed to budget cuts to explain, only the delays in processing forensic evidence.

787
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,400
The budget cuts weren't responsible for the burning of the mattress.

788
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,440
I can't believe that they said enough.

789
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Correctly enough.

790
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,720
That's what I want.

791
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,680
If my family member is murdered, if I'm murdered—correctly enough to do.

792
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,680
I can go to court.

793
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,680
Do we have enough evidence to do anything?

794
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Maybe.

795
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,920
I just—yeah.

796
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,840
These are things that men said out loud to other people.

797
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,080
I also had a thought too, like what if he had had like hidden money in his mattress or

798
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,240
like family heirlooms because I don't know, people do that.

799
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,240
Yeah.

800
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,720
That's not your property to be destroying.

801
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:09,720
Hold that thought.

802
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:10,720
Okay.

803
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,560
Furthermore, Suol, who is—that's the name of the DA, Suol.

804
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,560
That's his last name.

805
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Suol.

806
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Okay.

807
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:24,200
The DA stated that all forensic evidence was gathered, including the bedding prior to

808
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,200
the mattress itself being burned, despite the fact that given the condition of the body

809
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,880
law enforcement would not be aware Eric had been shot until roughly a day and a half later,

810
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,120
it's like they collected all of the evidence.

811
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Except the mattress.

812
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Why would they— technically they did collect it.

813
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,360
Okay.

814
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,720
They just incinerated it after they collected it.

815
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:52,360
Or they were saying that it was nothing suspicious, so why were they collecting evidence even if

816
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,080
they didn't think anything was suspicious?

817
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Because it's death.

818
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,080
Okay.

819
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,080
And they do that, but they don't.

820
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,080
Because you're supposed to presume until—

821
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,560
It's like they did, but they didn't, but they didn't.

822
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,560
Yeah.

823
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,280
Quite literally.

824
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:18,720
It's unclear what, if any, professional repercussions, Sheriff Wompler faced related to mistakes made in

825
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:25,640
the case, though he did express his regrets repeatedly.

826
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:32,720
Ramona filed complaints regarding the destruction of private property and the Sheriff's office paid

827
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,280
for a replacement bed.

828
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,960
Wompler stating, "I take full responsibility for getting rid of the mattress, and it is a

829
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,080
practice this office will not do again."

830
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,880
Alternately he was quoted as saying, "I probably wouldn't do that again."

831
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,040
I'm like, "Wait.

832
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,200
You just said we won't do it again."

833
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,240
Is this the same guy who said good enough?

834
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,240
No.

835
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,240
Oh, different guy.

836
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,240
That's still.

837
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,240
Yeah.

838
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,080
But still, like, why are these people just like, like, non-challantly talking about this?

839
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Yeah.

840
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,080
They probably wouldn't do that again.

841
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,080
It's good enough.

842
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Yeah.

843
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:17,480
I mean, to be fair, sometimes he says, "I take full responsibility and it is a practice

844
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,600
this office will not do again."

845
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Okay.

846
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,800
Unless he says the other thing where he's like, "Probably wouldn't maybe, props us.

847
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,800
Props us."

848
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,720
Additionally, as you might imagine, the rumors that hit his world about an affair took

849
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,200
a toll on his personal relationships as well.

850
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,200
How could it not?

851
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,760
The complar was also quoted as saying, "The last rumor has been the hardest because it

852
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:48,160
has caused embarrassment and hurt for my wife when she has done nothing to deserve those

853
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,160
aspersions."

854
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:58,880
Which, fair, detective, Gary, Jerry, Tiffany, detective, Jerry, Tiffany, sorry, Jerry, and

855
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,260
DA Soule have independently stated that most of the rumors surrounding the case can be

856
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:11,380
traced back to, I guess, Don Dixie.

857
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:17,340
Himself a person of interest in the case, somewhere in the course of the investigation,

858
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:25,820
as too often happens, the story has become honestly more about opposing suspects in the case

859
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:28,580
than about the actual victim.

860
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:32,380
It's far too easy a trap to set and snap.

861
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:38,380
Maybe while Alice mere mortals are left chasing her tails, just gonna throw this out there.

862
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:39,860
Okay, picture it.

863
00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:45,720
Eric's spirit is perched up on a beautiful tree, enjoying the fruits of generations of the

864
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,420
family's labor.

865
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:53,500
What began as a strawberry and asparagus farm eventually became an orchard.

866
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:58,660
The first fruit trees planted by Eric's grandfather in the 1930s.

867
00:43:58,660 --> 00:44:05,100
The orchard is now run by Eric's sister Ramona and her husband.

868
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:07,620
This case fucking sucks.

869
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:11,460
But I'm just gonna say the cheesy thing that I put in my notes.

870
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:17,300
Maybe there's still room for growth if we learn at least one thing from this story.

871
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:18,820
Not to burn the mattress.

872
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:19,820
Jesus Christ.

873
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:21,980
Don't burn the fucking mattress.

874
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:22,980
Leave it alone.

875
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:30,980
But even then, would they have cared enough to even solve it if there were evidence in the

876
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:32,540
mattress or whatever?

877
00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:35,980
I mean, it didn't seem like they cared a whole lot.

878
00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:44,420
I mean, I think the problem is that beyond the mattress, there wasn't a lot that they could

879
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:49,340
point to in terms of forensic evidence and a lot of...

880
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:52,380
There was just so much finger pointing.

881
00:44:52,380 --> 00:45:04,140
You know, and I think whoever did this did a good enough job of not leaving enough of

882
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:13,420
a trail and then the focus just went to trying to identify who the best suspect was.

883
00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:15,140
And there's just...

884
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:18,140
Who knows?

885
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:28,380
I mean, I feel like there's more than one fairly reasonable theory, but I don't know

886
00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:30,860
if we'll ever know.

887
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:37,340
And maybe the mattress didn't have any real probative value.

888
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:38,340
I don't know.

889
00:45:38,340 --> 00:45:40,340
That's a point.

890
00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:41,340
Yeah, we don't know.

891
00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:42,340
We don't know.

892
00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:43,340
It's just...

893
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:46,100
Let's just all not burn anything from what I'm seeing.

894
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:47,100
Yeah.

895
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:48,100
Just in case.

896
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:49,100
Yep.

897
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:53,940
Let's do better than good enough.

898
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:54,940
Look at that.

899
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:55,940
We learned one thing.

900
00:45:55,940 --> 00:45:56,940
We did.

901
00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:57,940
We did learn.

902
00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:03,540
We learned a lot of things from you, but I feel like that's one of the most important.

903
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:04,540
Yeah.

904
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:05,540
I just...

905
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:06,860
It's so infuriating.

906
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:09,860
That and don't trust anyone named Don Dixon.

907
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:14,380
I felt like that without saying, "Did you need me to say that?"

908
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:15,380
Well, I don't know.

909
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:17,380
Should we do some tarot?

910
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:18,700
Yeah, let's do some tarot.

911
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:19,700
Okay.

912
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:21,900
I really want to go to an orchard.

913
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:22,900
I know.

914
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:23,900
Just like hang out.

915
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:29,300
I feel like if we can do a trip out this way, it's not that far of a drive for us someday.

916
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:30,700
Do we go find a orchard?

917
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:31,700
Do we look orchard?

918
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:32,700
Oh, yeah.

919
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:33,700
And they still...

920
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:40,220
I have a little bit of information about the families, orchards and stuff.

921
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:41,460
So I don't know.

922
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:46,100
We have a couple of Patreon mini-sodes to get through, but I don't know.

923
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,340
I feel like it would be fun to just kind of...

924
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:50,940
I want to tell you more things.

925
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:51,940
Okay.

926
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:52,940
Yeah.

927
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:55,700
So hopefully we can knock that bad boy out.

928
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:56,700
We'll do that someday.

929
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:57,700
Yeah.

930
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,100
Maybe we do some things that we say we're going to do.

931
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:01,100
All right.

932
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:02,100
Let's do it.

933
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:03,100
Okay.

934
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:04,100
Let's do tarot.

935
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:05,100
Okay.

936
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:06,100
Wait.

937
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:13,780
Before we do tarot, you got to open your little gifty.

938
00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:18,180
I just wanted to start by saying that we realized this episode was coming out Valentine's

939
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:19,180
week.

940
00:47:19,180 --> 00:47:20,180
Yeah.

941
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:21,180
Happy V-Day.

942
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:22,180
Yes.

943
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:23,180
Sad.

944
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:24,180
Very sad.

945
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:25,180
I know.

946
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:27,660
What a topic to have chosen.

947
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:33,260
But it kind of fit because we talked about the beginning how they were DTR-ing, you know,

948
00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:35,260
defining the relationship.

949
00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:36,260
True.

950
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:37,260
Yeah.

951
00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:42,380
I thought there was a connection there, but since it was so sad, I just wanted to make us feel

952
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:47,820
a little better, make Killing feel a little better because she brings us sad topics and she

953
00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:52,700
knows you do all the research and you see, we talked about it before you filter for us

954
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,340
and you see like the worst of the worst.

955
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:56,220
I want to make you feel better.

956
00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:59,460
And thank you for torturing us every other week-ish.

957
00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:01,380
You're welcome.

958
00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:02,380
Shall we cheer?

959
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:03,380
Yeah.

960
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:04,380
Let's cheer and open your little gifty.

961
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:05,380
I got you.

962
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:06,380
Okay.

963
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:07,380
Okay.

964
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:14,620
Torturing her because she's like unbelievably afraid to have something happen with these

965
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:18,940
glasses or the electronics from the liquid in the glasses.

966
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:22,700
So I'm famously not good with the long stem.

967
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:23,700
I'm shaking.

968
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:27,980
Actually did have a cortado today.

969
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:29,980
So oh.

970
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:32,380
And you have my last time, yeah.

971
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:33,860
I had one yesterday.

972
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:34,860
Oh, they're so good.

973
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:35,860
They're really good.

974
00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:36,860
I heard the brown sugar.

975
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:37,860
Oh, no, one.

976
00:48:37,860 --> 00:48:40,860
Oh, I think I just got a plane.

977
00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:43,060
I think I might have just gotten a plane one.

978
00:48:43,060 --> 00:48:44,780
I'm out of plane.

979
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:45,780
She good.

980
00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:46,780
But the brown sugar.

981
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:47,780
Okay.

982
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:48,780
Okay.

983
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:49,780
I'm going to have to try that.

984
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:51,780
And our wine is like an orange wine.

985
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:52,780
Oh, anyway.

986
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:53,780
Open your present.

987
00:48:53,780 --> 00:48:54,780
Oh, right.

988
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:55,780
Okay.

989
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:56,780
Okay.

990
00:48:56,780 --> 00:48:57,780
Oh.

991
00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:03,780
This is how you know someone loves you.

992
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:04,780
Seriously.

993
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:11,260
Whenever Chris brings these home, I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm married that man.

994
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:12,260
Fuck yeah.

995
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:13,260
Fuck yeah.

996
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:14,260
Okay.

997
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:17,260
They're Valentine nerd clusters.

998
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:18,260
Nerds for a nerd.

999
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:19,260
Am I right?

1000
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:22,820
So I knew those would make you feel better.

1001
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:23,820
Oh, my gosh.

1002
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:24,820
Okay.

1003
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:25,820
Well, we have to get through this year.

1004
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:28,980
Oh, reading because I got to go eat a case of dillar.

1005
00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:32,260
And now, like what is today?

1006
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:33,260
I don't know.

1007
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:40,060
Just food being put in front of me right before a microphone.

1008
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:42,700
Maybe we should start a mukbang.

1009
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,940
Okay.

1010
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:47,100
No comments.

1011
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:49,540
That would have to definitely be charged for.

1012
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:50,540
Oh, yeah.

1013
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:51,540
No, that's not free.

1014
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:52,540
That's paid a play.

1015
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:53,540
My dude.

1016
00:49:53,540 --> 00:49:54,540
Okay.

1017
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:55,540
All right.

1018
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:59,580
Ooh, she purred it.

1019
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:00,580
Okay.

1020
00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:04,260
So I'll flip it right side up just so that everybody can see it.

1021
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:05,260
Oh, the moon.

1022
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:07,060
Right in front of my face.

1023
00:50:07,060 --> 00:50:09,180
Did you kiss it?

1024
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:14,580
I feel like I made kind of a duck sound as I was doing the, because if you can't see it,

1025
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:15,580
it's a duck on the card.

1026
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:19,660
I realize recently we've been kind of bad about describing what we're doing.

1027
00:50:19,660 --> 00:50:20,660
Do you want me to set it?

1028
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:22,540
Oh, sure.

1029
00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:26,300
We've been kind of bad about describing what we're doing because we are on video now.

1030
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:27,820
So it's like, we can see it.

1031
00:50:27,820 --> 00:50:30,380
And then we kind of forget other people can't.

1032
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:33,420
Yeah, we forgot where we came from.

1033
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:36,260
You know, it's an audio medium.

1034
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:37,700
You said reverse, right?

1035
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:38,700
Yes.

1036
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:39,700
Okay.

1037
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,740
I feel like everything is in reverse for me.

1038
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:48,180
My brain is still not really braining.

1039
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:52,900
I have a fun little story of what we did last night.

1040
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:58,420
And in hindsight, considering how much my brain was just not braining, it's a little

1041
00:50:58,420 --> 00:51:00,180
bit scary that I did it.

1042
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:01,180
Okay.

1043
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,180
Wow.

1044
00:51:02,180 --> 00:51:03,180
Okay.

1045
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:09,620
I tried turning to page 18 because it's the 18th card.

1046
00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:12,180
And I was like, what the shit?

1047
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:14,580
That's not the right page.

1048
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:15,580
Okay.

1049
00:51:15,580 --> 00:51:17,100
Now we're on the right page.

1050
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:18,100
Okay.

1051
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:19,100
All right.

1052
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:20,100
Well, here we go.

1053
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:21,100
Yeah.

1054
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,060
No, I'm telling you, my brain is really having a tough time.

1055
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:25,060
Minus, too.

1056
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:26,060
Yeah.

1057
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:27,060
I'll explain later.

1058
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:28,060
All right.

1059
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:29,580
Keywords for the moon.

1060
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:30,580
The moon.

1061
00:51:30,580 --> 00:51:31,580
The moon.

1062
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:37,940
Intuition, the unconscious mystery, illusion and secrets.

1063
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:41,780
Well, there was certainly a lot of that happening in this story.

1064
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:42,780
Yeah.

1065
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:43,780
Okay.

1066
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:46,660
I am going to kind of skip through.

1067
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:53,460
I know we've read a lot about the, in this first section of our interpretation book,

1068
00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:56,220
it usually talks a lot about the writer, Wait Smith.

1069
00:51:56,220 --> 00:52:01,780
When we've read this card several times, I'm going to skip it because it does, I don't

1070
00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:02,780
think it really applies.

1071
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:05,060
We're using a non-traditional deck.

1072
00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:09,020
So I'm going to get into the tail end here and then we'll read the interpretation.

1073
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:14,180
Unless something like really specific jumps out like about the imagery, then we don't

1074
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:16,700
really need to like read the description of the card.

1075
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:17,700
Yeah.

1076
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:18,700
Sometimes it does though.

1077
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:19,700
Yeah.

1078
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,460
Trying to pick and choose a little bit.

1079
00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:23,140
And this is our P&W deck.

1080
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:26,500
So it's, you know, I'll look up what kind of duck it is afterwards.

1081
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:27,500
Yes.

1082
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,420
Way most.

1083
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:35,100
The water suggests the moon's link with the emotions and the unconscious realm.

1084
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:43,380
The moon urges you to pay more attention to your inner self, your lunar self.

1085
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:47,180
The light of the sun enables us to see the world around us.

1086
00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:54,860
But the moon allows us to illuminate what springs naturally from inside us.

1087
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:57,100
Okay.

1088
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:58,620
There's some extra excerpts in here.

1089
00:52:58,620 --> 00:53:01,140
So we'll decide if we want to read those or not.

1090
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:05,100
I think it's kind of funny that the moon is like emotions and feelings and then you put

1091
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,100
the sign out.

1092
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:10,380
This is ask me about my feelings and we literally got like the feelings card.

1093
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:17,060
Well, and as you were showing me the different options for the sign, I read it as don't ask

1094
00:53:17,060 --> 00:53:22,380
me about my feelings, which is sounds like it.

1095
00:53:22,380 --> 00:53:28,580
Well, it's like that thing where if letters are reversed in a word, your brain will still

1096
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:33,980
fill in and you can read things oftentimes that are misspelled.

1097
00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:36,900
If it's like close enough, that's what my brain did.

1098
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:40,820
It was like close enough.

1099
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:48,500
The moon card is sometimes linked with deceit and self deception, disappointment and undoing.

1100
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:53,260
Usually because you weren't listening to that still small voice within.

1101
00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:58,980
When this card appears reversed, it may advise you to tie up loose ends connected to the past,

1102
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:02,100
especially to your mother or other women.

1103
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:04,500
Oh, that's interesting.

1104
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:05,500
Yeah, very interesting.

1105
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:09,060
The first part of that though, like tying ends from your past reminds me you said that she

1106
00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:12,300
had a boyfriend that was like possibly stalking them.

1107
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:13,980
Yeah, yeah, the ex boyfriend.

1108
00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:19,340
Yeah, I definitely, that's kind of the energy that I was picking up as well.

1109
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:22,180
And like, we don't know when it happened.

1110
00:54:22,180 --> 00:54:23,580
Or maybe we do.

1111
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:24,580
What?

1112
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:26,780
I just assumed it happened like at night time.

1113
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:27,780
Oh, yes.

1114
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:28,780
No, it was night time.

1115
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:29,780
Yeah.

1116
00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:30,780
We got the moon.

1117
00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:31,780
Yeah.

1118
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:32,780
The moon.

1119
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:38,620
In a reading about money, you may feel incapable of handling a financial matter.

1120
00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:43,140
It's because you can't see what's really going on or you're too emotionally involved in

1121
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:47,060
this situation to be objective.

1122
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:50,220
This isn't the best time to make a major decision.

1123
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:52,380
Ups and downs are likely now.

1124
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:55,300
Try not to let them throw you into a panic.

1125
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:56,300
Hmm.

1126
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:57,300
Hmm.

1127
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:04,940
This card can also indicate buying stuff as a way to pinch hit or genuine emotion or happiness.

1128
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:06,740
It's interesting.

1129
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:07,740
Okay.

1130
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:14,260
If the reading is about your job, a secret or hidden situation may come to light.

1131
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:15,260
Interesting.

1132
00:55:15,260 --> 00:55:19,060
Oh, the scandal.

1133
00:55:19,060 --> 00:55:20,060
Yes.

1134
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:21,700
The scandal alleged.

1135
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:22,700
Yes.

1136
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:24,900
One of the many alleged scandals.

1137
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:25,900
Yes.

1138
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:31,900
This card can also point to an emotional, uncertain, changing work environment where nothing

1139
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:32,900
is clear.

1140
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:38,740
Perhaps you've let the pressures of the outside world throw you off balance and you feel disconnected

1141
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:40,340
from your true self.

1142
00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:45,940
That kind of reminds me of like letting Don Dixon convince you to burn a mattress.

1143
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:50,420
Oh, that is a really good point.

1144
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:55,380
My head didn't really go there, but I feel like that fits.

1145
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:57,380
That's interesting.

1146
00:55:57,380 --> 00:56:02,460
In a reading about love, you've probably deluded yourself about a partner or relationship.

1147
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:03,460
Okay.

1148
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:05,580
I'm getting next boyfriend vibes again.

1149
00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:11,660
Or you may be attempting to cast yourself in an unreal light in order to win someone's

1150
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:13,340
affection.

1151
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:15,300
Things are not what they seem.

1152
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,380
Deceit, manipulation or inconsistency may cause problems.

1153
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:20,380
Hmm.

1154
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:21,380
That's interesting.

1155
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:23,900
Like all of Don's stories and how.

1156
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:24,900
Deceit, manipulation.

1157
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:25,900
Yeah.

1158
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:26,900
Yeah.

1159
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:27,900
Cause there's no problems.

1160
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:34,180
I mean, he certainly has not been charged with a crime in relation to Eric's death, but

1161
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:40,860
so much of what he said that kind of had investigators looking at, oh, is this a possible

1162
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:41,860
motive?

1163
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:43,500
Is this a possible suspect?

1164
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:45,100
None of that could be verified.

1165
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:46,100
Yeah.

1166
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,700
It just seemed like a very manipulative.

1167
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:49,700
Mm-hmm.

1168
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:53,380
I mean, maybe it's a coincidence, but.

1169
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:54,620
Yes.

1170
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,900
There is an extra excerpt.

1171
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:02,980
I don't feel as though it has a tie in and there are two other ones that I want to skim through

1172
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:05,940
to see if there's something we should read.

1173
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:13,060
But this extra excerpt at the end of the reverse interpretation is the triple goddess.

1174
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:20,180
And remember, there's kind of, I would say, like the long, held, potential suspects.

1175
00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:21,180
There's three of them.

1176
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:22,180
Oh.

1177
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:23,180
I don't know.

1178
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:24,180
They're not goddesses, though.

1179
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:26,460
No, certainly not.

1180
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:30,820
Oh, it's a Pacific loon.

1181
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:32,820
Oh, okay.

1182
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:33,820
Duck loons.

1183
00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:40,020
I mean, that makes sense for like nighttime because aren't loons, nighttime ducks.

1184
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:41,020
Nighttime ducks.

1185
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:42,020
Loons.

1186
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:43,420
Let's just say it in loons.

1187
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:44,420
Nighttime ducks.

1188
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:45,420
Night.

1189
00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:46,420
And.

1190
00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:47,420
Oh.

1191
00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:48,420
I thought.

1192
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:49,420
Loons sound like that.

1193
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:50,420
Oh.

1194
00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:51,420
Do they?

1195
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:57,140
I mean, they make like a crying sound, like a moaning cry.

1196
00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:58,140
I did not know this.

1197
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:00,420
We should look up the sound of a loon.

1198
00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:01,420
Oh.

1199
00:58:01,420 --> 00:58:12,860
Okay, there is, I'll read this when looking for adventure in a dark and deserted landscape.

1200
00:58:12,860 --> 00:58:13,860
Okay.

1201
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:19,260
I realize as I'm saying it out loud, that feels a little connected.

1202
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:20,260
Dark.

1203
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:25,860
But it's, I wouldn't say deserted more rural, rural, rural.

1204
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:29,260
We should only ask for the light of the moon.

1205
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:36,780
Then our imaginations can create more exotic explanations for the rustling in the undergrowth

1206
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:43,700
or the dark parentheses, bottomless question mark voids, which open up ahead of us.

1207
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:44,700
Ooh.

1208
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:45,700
Okay.

1209
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:48,940
It just reminds me of whoever was like speaking out.

1210
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:49,940
Yeah.

1211
00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:53,020
Like around the house and they like from that footprint, right?

1212
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:54,020
Yes.

1213
00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:55,020
The one foot.

1214
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:56,020
The one foot.

1215
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:59,700
We comfort ourselves too much with light.

1216
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:06,020
Sometimes we must wander in the dark so that our other senses can find their full expression.

1217
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:12,740
And we hear more clearly the message of the night, the wilderness and the strange creatures

1218
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:15,460
that inhabit the unseen spaces.

1219
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:16,460
Wow.

1220
00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:17,460
Like a loon.

1221
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:18,460
Like a loon.

1222
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:23,900
They just get almost like when they're putting together like these special tarot decks, like

1223
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:27,380
they really put a lot of thought into like what animal goes on it.

1224
00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:32,540
Because they get a lot of them completely so connected with even though it's not a traditional

1225
00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:37,420
imagery on the deck, like just the word A is so connected with whatever animal.

1226
00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:38,420
I can cut.

1227
00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:39,940
Which it's, I like that.

1228
00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:40,940
I love that.

1229
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:41,940
Yeah.

1230
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:42,940
Someone get my modicle.

1231
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:45,340
Oh, this is interesting.

1232
00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:50,700
Most of the keywords are the same, but there's one in here that says vagueness and misconceptions.

1233
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:51,700
Okay.

1234
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:54,300
Instability, anxiety and security.

1235
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,300
Yeah.

1236
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:57,140
I mean, those all make sense.

1237
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,140
Yeah, totally.

1238
00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:59,140
I don't know.

1239
00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:04,860
I think sometimes it's like we will look at a glance at the keywords and say, oh, you know,

1240
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:07,180
they're basically the same or whatever.

1241
01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:14,140
But I think sometimes words that are synonymous, they're not exactly the same.

1242
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:15,940
They have kind of different connotations.

1243
01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:21,180
I feel like I'm always glad when we kind of read through and find something that maybe

1244
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:22,660
it expands a little bit.

1245
01:00:22,660 --> 01:00:23,660
Yeah.

1246
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:31,460
I don't think your vagueness was like, no, it just reminded me of like, oh, good enough.

1247
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:36,700
Well, and they feel like there's something about like where it's talking about sort of mystery

1248
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:43,540
and darkness that implies sort of like a murky or, you know, vagueness.

1249
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:50,140
But yeah, just really screamed like just, yeah, we did a good enough job collecting the evidence.

1250
01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:51,940
That was what they said, right?

1251
01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:52,940
Yep.

1252
01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:53,940
Yep.

1253
01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:54,940
Yeah.

1254
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:55,940
Yeah.

1255
01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:56,940
I'm hard to forget that, turn of frames.

1256
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:57,940
Okay.

1257
01:00:57,940 --> 01:00:58,940
This is very short.

1258
01:00:58,940 --> 01:00:59,940
Okay.

1259
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:00,940
It's breeding season.

1260
01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:07,980
And the moon lays her two eggs, two gray, green, speckled orbs, each a perfect image of

1261
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:09,300
the other.

1262
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,540
Her nest floats upon the mirror of the lake.

1263
01:01:11,540 --> 01:01:14,620
Oh, they're nest float.

1264
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:17,260
That is, that's like, I was starting to think about that.

1265
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:18,900
That's why I got thrown off.

1266
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:20,380
That's very interesting.

1267
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:21,380
Okay.

1268
01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:27,860
Her nest floats upon the mirror of the lake, a surface identical in color to the night sky.

1269
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:28,860
That's pretty cool.

1270
01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:29,860
Yeah.

1271
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:35,820
Looking deeper, dipping her head below and then back above, then below again, the moon

1272
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:41,020
dies into the gray, green glow of the moon reflected.

1273
01:01:41,020 --> 01:01:42,820
The gray, green, green, the light.

1274
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:45,820
I can't even say it again.

1275
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:48,220
No, never again.

1276
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:53,900
She resurfaces with her catch and floats on the veil midway between two luminous speckled

1277
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:57,620
orbs, each the perfect image of the other.

1278
01:01:57,620 --> 01:01:58,620
Hmm.

1279
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:02,140
You know what that makes me think of?

1280
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:07,740
I mean, it's a little bit, it kind of is, I don't know, it's all interpretation.

1281
01:02:07,740 --> 01:02:09,900
So I guess, take it for what it is.

1282
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:15,660
But that kind of makes me think of, like, these are two, like, really good friends, right,

1283
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:21,100
that have sort of, like, just, I don't know, in a weird way, it just reminds me of, like,

1284
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:27,020
sort of their bond and how it started off as, you know, a friendship and now it's like,

1285
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:28,020
become more romantic.

1286
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:31,180
I don't know.

1287
01:02:31,180 --> 01:02:32,180
That makes any sense.

1288
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:38,460
Or kind of, it made me kind of also think of, like, his family that had, like, the farm

1289
01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:42,580
and, yeah, you talked about his family, right?

1290
01:02:42,580 --> 01:02:43,580
Yeah.

1291
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:47,780
I don't know why, just like the mother with her eggs and, like, I don't know.

1292
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:55,780
There's definitely really strong feminine energy that it seems like plays into this card

1293
01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:57,100
and into the reading.

1294
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:58,100
So that's interesting.

1295
01:02:58,100 --> 01:02:59,820
The moon, yes, very feminine.

1296
01:02:59,820 --> 01:03:06,700
It makes sense because there were multiple women that were involved, even just tangentially,

1297
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:12,900
because I was going to say part of the interpretation also reminded me of, like, speaking of shit

1298
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:15,540
that Dawn said that may or may not be true.

1299
01:03:15,540 --> 01:03:17,500
Like, think about the sheriff's wife.

1300
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:21,980
It's like, I mean, yeah, I would reverse a small place.

1301
01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:27,500
I'm sure she had met Eric, but like, wow, to just have this rumor start.

1302
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:32,580
That was, you know, one thing that the sheriff said, like, yeah, that was kind of the, one

1303
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:38,100
of the difficult aspects of, and like, the most difficult of the rumors for him to kind

1304
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:40,740
of, like, process and deal with.

1305
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:48,180
Because it's like, well, yeah, I mean, if she wasn't doing anything, you know, nefarious,

1306
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:50,660
then, you know, it's just, that shitty.

1307
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:52,740
You're just drawn into this?

1308
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:54,220
And it's, I don't know.

1309
01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:59,980
It goes back to what I was saying about, like, this is a personal tragedy, you know, that

1310
01:03:59,980 --> 01:04:02,220
Eric has passed and for his family.

1311
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:07,540
And then to have that sort of just become about these other characters that, like, maybe

1312
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:12,900
didn't, you know, like small town, but like, she, I'm sure she knew him, but maybe not

1313
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:13,900
even that well.

1314
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:14,900
Yeah.

1315
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:15,900
And suddenly we're talking about her.

1316
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:22,460
Like, yeah, not, not any fault of her own that, you know, that we know of, but, you

1317
01:04:22,460 --> 01:04:23,460
know, yeah.

1318
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:24,460
Yeah, probably not.

1319
01:04:24,460 --> 01:04:25,460
Like, oh, wow.

1320
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:29,460
Well, that was cool.

1321
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:30,460
Yeah.

1322
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:35,260
I really like to that it's like Hood River, and then we got like a water card.

1323
01:04:35,260 --> 01:04:36,260
Yeah.

1324
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:37,660
Should we do that thing?

1325
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:38,660
Yeah, let's do it.

1326
01:04:38,660 --> 01:04:41,660
We hope everyone has like a really good Valentine's Day.

1327
01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:44,980
Obviously, whether you celebrate or not, you can have a gallon times.

1328
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:50,900
You could just, I was just going to say, Valentine's, Galantines, nothing at all.

1329
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:54,900
Valentine's Day.

1330
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:55,900
Yeah.

1331
01:04:55,900 --> 01:04:58,900
Actually, creepy Valentine's Day.

1332
01:04:58,900 --> 01:04:59,900
Yeah, maybe don't.

1333
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:00,900
Be safe.

1334
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:01,900
Yeah.

1335
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:03,900
Give your friends your location if you're going on a date.

1336
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:04,900
Just, yeah.

1337
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:05,900
I don't care how long you've known them.

1338
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:07,900
If you're married, I don't care.

1339
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:11,900
Give your friends your fucking location because like, the husband probably didn't.

1340
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:13,900
I mean, let's face it.

1341
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:16,900
What has been to that, you know, I guess that goes from men too.

1342
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:19,940
If you're a man too, give your friends your location.

1343
01:05:19,940 --> 01:05:21,940
No one is safe.

1344
01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:22,940
Yeah.

1345
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:25,940
Nothing and no one is safe or should ever be trusted.

1346
01:05:25,940 --> 01:05:26,940
Okay, bye.

1347
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:27,940
Bye.

1348
01:05:27,940 --> 01:05:28,940
I love you.

1349
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:29,940
I'm surprised.

1350
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:30,940
We can be trusted.

1351
01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:31,940
Right.

1352
01:05:31,940 --> 01:05:32,940
Okay.

1353
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:37,940
I'm going to be under my blankie here.

1354
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:39,940
Hopefully I don't have to take my hands out.

1355
01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:40,940
I, yeah, I don't know.

1356
01:05:40,940 --> 01:05:41,940
We'll see.

1357
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:43,940
What do you need my hands for?

1358
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:44,940
Couldn't tell you.

1359
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:46,940
They're busy under my blanket.

1360
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:47,940
Let me know.

1361
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:48,940
Alrighty.

1362
01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:54,940
Well, maybe we'll just have an impromptu hand check, shall we?

1363
01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:55,940
Hand check.

1364
01:05:55,940 --> 01:05:57,940
They're just cold, you guys.

1365
01:05:57,940 --> 01:05:58,940
They're just cold.

1366
01:05:58,940 --> 01:05:59,940
She's so cold.

1367
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:01,940
That's why you made me a blanket.

1368
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:02,940
That's true.

1369
01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:04,940
It's quite literally true.

1370
01:06:04,940 --> 01:06:07,980
once. Quite literally true. (pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)