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Bold statements and tantalizing teasers? This episode has them in spades. We're joined by Ash from TSFU for Part 2. Brace yourself as we navigate the unsettling world of charisma gone horrifically astray, spotlighting cult leader and master manipulator Bhagwan Rajneesh. We pull back the curtain on the paradox of followers reporting blissful experiences in his presence, as we lay bare the chilling methods employed for control and abuse.
Delving into the eccentricities and often gauche excesses of Bhagwan Rajneesh, we illuminate the dark corners of his 'free love' philosophy. We recount stories of rampant abuse within the group and the horrifying tales of the victims who still fear facing repercussions for speaking out. We'll detail the saga of the small community - Antelope, Oregon, that was infiltrated and overpowered by Rajneesh's followers, as well as the alarming lengths taken in pursuit of power and control.
Spoiler alert 🚨‼️ - This episode concludes with the dramatic fall of Rajneesh's cult, highlighting the futile attempts to discredit his second-in-command, Sheila, and his eventual downfall. We delve into the aftermath, including the rebranding of Bhagwan Rajneesh as Osho, and the "controversial" legacy he left behind. So, come along on this harrowing journey into the dark world of cults and the powerful figures who lead them.
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Speaker 2:Hey guys, welcome back to this episode. We were just discussing the fact that we did some kind of jazzy little beginning last time. We do have access to those files. We could go back and listen to what it was, but we decided against that and pressed report instead. You guys know what it is anyways, because it's on both feeds, so you know where you are.
Speaker 3:Figure it out. Come on, guys, we believe in you.
Speaker 2:So this is a collaboration between that's so fucked up the podcast with me. No, that's not the name of the fucking show. It's not called the podcast. That's not his name, it's just called that's a podcast.
Speaker 1:It is, but that's not the title, so I don't like saying that, like everybody knows what it is.
Speaker 2:And I am the host, ashley Richards.
Speaker 3:And I'm Caitlin from Pacific Northwest, haunts and Homicides PNW. If you nasty, I think I may have said that last time. I pulled that straight out of I don't know the nether regions of my mind.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 3:You know I've been digging it.
Speaker 2:It goes along well today with the topic. So this is a two-parter, as you probably know, and if you did not listen to last week where Caitlin talked about the beginning of things, then you should go listen to that. But if you didn't, or if you like to listen to things out of order, because somebody told me they actually like to do that, because it helps with their anxiety and I was like you know what I should stop judging people and admonishing them for listening to things out of order, because you know what you guys, you do you. So little recap of last time on the Chronicles of Rajneesh.
Speaker 3:So a couple of things we both have watched multiple times, each rather obsessively, if you ask around Wild Wild Country on Netflix. But we've also referred to a gigantic compilation of different pieces about day one dating back to India where he's really becoming a spiritual leader.
Speaker 2:And I think this is a good time to mention that before his name was Bhagwan Tree Rajneesh. His name was Rajneesh. He gave himself the name Bhagwan, which means guru, and we thought that was a very important information to distinct. Was it the people who said, oh you're, you're an enlightened one, or did he kind of self? Style that this guy was stylish.
Speaker 3:And yeah, I mean, whether it was the name or his ride he's obviously got the collection of dozens upon dozens of Rolls Royces that he starts to rack up.
Speaker 2:I think that's kind of one of the key points we talked about the fact that he wanted to win the world record for owning the most Rolls Royces right, we did, and that was actually something that I did not know. That was like goals for him, which I think is hilarious, just ridiculous.
Speaker 3:It's so funny because we really see this confluence of sort of Eastern religions in some respects, with the different styles of meditation, but also just the rampant and really kind of gross consumerism and capitalist viewpoint blending with that and we're supposed to believe that's a seamless mix.
Speaker 2:And you know what, caitlin, I'm going to blow your mind today in a totally bummer kind of way, because woof upon some further research. The documentary really really skipped over an insanely huge part of not only what happened in Oregon but also starting back in India. I just listened to an interview with Erin Robbins on a little bit Coltie and she actually was a very close disciple of his. She was kind of in his inner circle and she actually didn't realize that she had been brainwashed in a cold spot for about 40 fucking years after, and I had so much respect for her. She spoke so bravely, but she talks about the fact that back in India, rajneesh already started using his power to sexually abuse these women, and Erin was one of them.
Speaker 3:He was summoned to her one night as spiritual leader's will and she was told to wear a loose dress and no underwear and to just go to him in the night and based on those instructions, I think we can all sort of take away from that what kind of spiritual leader and what kind of abusive and coercive controlling environment of sexual abuse is that that you would just do that?
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is it's wild with cold leaders. I'm reading up about Manson a lot right now him, Osho but people do have legit experiences around them. They're like to be in his presence, felt like you were in the presence of God, and I don't know what that is, because these people are charismatic con men. So I'm just curious as to what elicits that feeling of legitimate bliss when you're in someone's presence, and I actually kind of have a theory about this, and this is just from my perspective.
Speaker 3:I don't think that's necessarily scientific or anything like that. I'm not a psychologist to back this up. What Can you believe? But I do think that there is something about when you are being manipulated and you're being coerced, and especially in an environment where it's supposed to be about spiritual enlightenment. I want to say it's almost as if it were a placebo effect, right, because you're supposed to be having this transformative experience and they have managed to manipulate you in some very powerful ways. So, whether that's your brain creating that or not, under that influence, that's my thought.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean, and then you're in this environment as well, where everybody else really does believe. But I'm reading this book about Manson and Susan Atkins is describing or do you hear her say it? It's not a direct quote, I think it's talking about the trial or something, but she's talking about the first time that she met Manson and that he kind of like was sitting on a couch and had his head back and then just like looked up and opened her eyes and looked right into hers and she was like he looked into my fucking soul. I couldn't do that to anybody, no matter how hard I tried Right, I know. It's very interesting to me. People are just like why are you looking at me? Yeah, fucking weirdo, I wouldn't have the same effect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the experience that's more relatable for me as well.
Speaker 2:I guess also they're really good at saying this word salad shit. That just really kind of leaves you feeling like oh wow, that's really profound so profound that I can't even understand it, because it actually didn't mean anything. It's like what is real when nothing is real.
Speaker 3:Right. Well how many episodes have you been trying to get to the core of anything that makes a shred of sense in your Scientology series? We got to the top of the bridge. I mean I'm glad you got there, but I didn't think you were going to find anything there.
Speaker 2:No, but it's interesting and it's not interesting. They're like all the same but man. They're fucking tricky because they have this like something comes out of their pores or something that they're able to elicit these amazing feelings in people. Meanwhile, as he's still in India, so we're not even in Oregon yet he's sexually abusing his followers. Also, he's having these insane meditations where people are literally. I think we kind of talked about it last week, but hearing Aaron Robbins describe it in the podcast was intense. She said that people were naked and screaming, beating each other, there were broken bones, people sexually assaulted each other, there was people being forced to have sex with people they didn't want to. It started out fucking nutsicles. Things escalated a lot, but I mean it started out pretty.
Speaker 3:It started at 100 and then it escalated quickly from there. It's got real chaotic energy and I hate every second of it. If I'm being honest, it's no good.
Speaker 2:So today we are going to talk about when this motherfucker rolls up at the ranch. Well, you know, we'll talk a little bit about Sheila and the townspeople of Antelope and we're also going to talk about what, sadly, was really not talked about at all in the documentary and, honestly, that you have to dig online to find, but the rampant sexual abuse of children that occurred rampant and it's not mentioned in a wild, wild country at all.
Speaker 3:It is really puzzling because I feel like, even when we're talking about the people that are involved with this group willingly and that are of age, there's so much abuse there that really we don't even scratch the surface.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this was one of the first cults that it was just so obsessed with, and for good reason. It's an insane one. So when we get back from this quick commercial break, we are going to dive into this Oregonian mess.
Speaker 3:No, thank you all.
Speaker 2:We're back, welcome. I feel so sad for the people of Antelope. Like they said in the documentary, they were retirees who had saved up a long time just to be able to get a nice little house and a nice, quiet little town to spend their retirement eating pie together and whatnot.
Speaker 3:Did they mention the pie? No, I just figure you know that's a retiree thing.
Speaker 2:I haven't watched the documentary in a while, but I remember they talked about there being a real sense of community there, because it was such a small town, absolutely. They would have Christmas events at the fucking town hall or whatever. That kind of small town shit you know yeah. I'm sure there was pie, Caitlin, If there wasn't shame on them.
Speaker 3:I know, at that point, what are you people doing. I don't even know who side to pick.
Speaker 2:Paula rocks up to Oregon. She pretends to be a rich housewife in order to not freak the neighbors out too much. She's not like hey, I'm here searching for land so my colt can build a city Super cash. She tells them that she's this rich housewife that wants to try her hand at farming. She's like. You know that that land is not farmable, right it's not usable for that purpose. She's like it's good, it's fine, don't worry, they're kind of like orange is weird, but whatever. When they really start tripping out is when literally hundreds of white people in shades of red and orange. I'm sure they didn't look like zombies, but what I imagine is just zombies, just mindlessly walking towards them.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's definitely mindless walking Anytime you have that many people in matching outfits.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm sure these people were mindfully walking. Caitlin, You're all wearing the same outfits.
Speaker 3:That's where my radar starts to buzz in. I don't like that.
Speaker 2:They wore the orange because it represented the sunrise, which represented moving towards a new generation.
Speaker 3:It sounds great in theory or whatever. It's alarming when you see a whole group of people writhing around and chaotic, breathing and flailing and hitting each other and crying and screaming.
Speaker 2:They didn't see that. Some neighbors did claim that they heard people having sex all night and actually have a pretty good quote somewhere down here that we'll get to. Some of the neighbors had some little nuggets to say that were pretty good. This was a conservative Christian community, population of 40. I feel so bad for these people. I would have been fucking terrified. Huge age, probably 70.
Speaker 3:If they weren't 70 when these guys moved into town. All of these people definitely felt like they were at least 70 by the time it was over Age. Is you a bit, I would think?
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie. I would have been fucking terrified.
Speaker 3:They're thinking this is biblical end times. I think I would actually.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, if I was religious I would think this is the apocalypse Some things not right here. Sheila has really grandiose plans for this property. They wanted to build schools, a hotel, an airstrip, restaurants, all these different things. Those all come with different zoning laws. The zoning laws for their land was technically Grazeland, which means you couldn't build. This gets them into trouble later because they're kind of like whatever, whatever, I'll do what I want, permit who you can do that for quite a while, it seems. If you're smart enough, I could not pull this off. I mean, they did a lot. They took this unusable land and, like legit, built a whole fucking city with housing for up to 6,000 people. They made a dam that brought water back to the land they had, the air covered. Actually they made this huge, massive desert actually sort of pretty. Some of the fucking the grass was getting greener on the other side, whatever people are flocking. So we don't know if Sheila made the choice to move the commune there not knowing about the strict laws, or maybe she just found out too late, maybe she didn't give a shit, but, like I said, the land she bought was for farm use only. So, like I was saying, the sleepy people of the sleepy town.
Speaker 3:Take a nap. They're so sleepy.
Speaker 2:All the time I am. So the people of Antelope had some pretty interesting things to say. John Silvertooth, who I assume must have descended from a line of pirates.
Speaker 3:I was just going to say thank God. If you didn't what, that's the only possible explanation. I won't care of anything else.
Speaker 2:He said quote I thought it was, you know, weird. I thought they were weird, but he was a hypnotist before he ever came to us and first thing I taught was cross your arms and that throws the signal to them that it's not going to work. And you know it worked pretty good. You crossed your arms and they start doing that stuff. They backed off. So John Silvertooth's defense against the army of orange and red people was to cross his arms, because then they couldn't get to you with their weird stuff and hypnotism and what not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Okay, well, I mean, usually by the time I'm crossing my arms I've got a real RBF situation up top here in the facial region. So maybe that makes sense RBF Resting bitch face.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Okay, I was like wait what I don't know this.
Speaker 3:She's like, I'm feeling very triggered right now because I am confused.
Speaker 2:One of the locals said they're invading, maybe not with bullets, but with money and with immoral sex. Which, hey, it's true.
Speaker 3:It's not untrue but very judgy over there, mr Silvertooth.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I would be judgy as fuck as well. Back in India, old fucking Rajneesh is spouting off at the mouth all the time and a bunch of people follow him. He tells Sheila when she goes first way before him. He's like only bring good workers, make sure you got people who are down to fucking get shit done the way of labor GSD, oh hey. Do you know that?
Speaker 3:one I know. Today you're sold and I learned a new one, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now you do so since leaving India. Rajneesh enters a silent phase.
Speaker 3:I find it vastly more preferable to when he was speaking.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine, though, that you fucking give up your entire life to move to the middle of fucking nowhere Oregon to live on like a desert commune, and then the guy that you came to see is like, yeah, I'm not talking right now. For how long, though, and he's like I don't even know, man, when I decide Okay.
Speaker 3:I am no longer taking questions, as implied by my Vow of silence.
Speaker 2:Bro, I feel like I would be so pissed off.
Speaker 3:Of course. Can you imagine you'd be devastated?
Speaker 2:I'd feel like I went to a concert and they played a movie of an old concert or something. That's what I would feel like I was getting. I'm like I'm getting some second amp bullshit here.
Speaker 3:I kind of get immediately like an old frontier couple. It's like a husband and wife and like she doesn't really want to be there. But the only thing that can make it worse is if her husband just becomes this staunch, silent man. That's what I'm picturing. That's where my brain goes.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is, is the bummed out lady all of the people?
Speaker 3:Yeah, the bummed out lady would be all of the people, because, think about it. It's like that level of devastation Because this is like your life partner that's chosen to just be like. I'm the strong, silent type now.
Speaker 2:But they also were like well, you know, he's basically. God. So obviously he's doing that for a reason. And then Sheila was his little Chihuahua mouthpiece, because he would talk to. Sheila and some of his other advisors, and then she'd be like well, this is what Bhagawan said Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I tell you from what I hear, not only the townspeople of the town but the townspeople of Rajneesh Purim. But we're not a huge fan of Sheila. She was a dick dude.
Speaker 3:I mean, everybody hates Raymond, maybe, but everybody definitely hates Sheila. Does everybody hate Raymond? I thought everybody loved him. That is the opposite of what I said, which is the actual name of the show. I meant to say everybody might love Raymond.
Speaker 2:I was like wait, are you making a joke that I don't get?
Speaker 3:No, I'm just sundowning from my meds. That's what I call it. It's like a little old person that they get tired and they start to gobbledey goo with their words. That's what's happening now.
Speaker 2:Sundowner. I think of that M Night Shyamalan movie where the lady crawled backwards and started to scare you? I think it's called a visit. I think you're right. Anywho, let's take another quick commercial break and when we get back we will talk more about how Boggwon was all quiet and shit.
Speaker 3:It would be awkward on an audio medium.
Speaker 2:And we are back. So what was Bhagawan doing all day? Cause he wasn't talking, and he said that he wasn't watching TV or reading newspapers, which he totally was because he would tell Sheila to do stuff and then she would go do it and when he would come back he'd be like you did that so wrong, you didn't do this and you did that, and he would critique her.
Speaker 3:That's just because he's omniscient, obviously.
Speaker 2:Oh right, he's totally not watching the press releases or something. So, as we know, homie had like 90 Rolls Royces or something a lot. He must have the record. Who the fuck else has more than that?
Speaker 3:That's ridiculous. I don't know that's got a real like ether rich. Okay, gross, stop it.
Speaker 2:And you've given up all of your worldly possessions. And so how he would show his presence to the people is he would drive his Rolls Royce slowly down the road and just wave at them like a fucking presidential carpool.
Speaker 3:What are you, miss America, jesus? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2:No, seriously. And then some guests bring flowers and throw them on the car, and at this point you know I'm kind of skipping around in time, but they've got a whole city going on, they do. People can come and visit there's fucking gift shops and shit. They were so commercial, it was wild, pretty wild.
Speaker 3:Would you have visited?
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 3:I feel like a lot of us are guilty. I mean, how can you not?
Speaker 2:If not sheerly out of curiosity morbid curiosity for sure. And then that's how you end up in the cult.
Speaker 3:Serves us right at that point probably.
Speaker 2:I know You're nosy noses to yourselves, guys. Come on. So he tells Sheila okay, you should start selling flowers so that people can do that all the time, because, a we can make money and B that was fucking awesome.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's another little detail, ashley, I did not know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's fun tidbits. He was a terrible driver so he loved to drive, but he was really bad. He got tickets all the time. He got an accident. He drove off the road once. People were terrified when they drove with it.
Speaker 3:Why does that not surprise me in the slightest? Not a little, not even a tiny bit.
Speaker 2:So, while everybody is living in fucking huts and shit, he has an indoor pool, a personal medical office and dental office. Yeah, that dental office. Oh, did we talk about the dental office last?
Speaker 3:time. We didn't talk about it, but we both knew it was coming offline. We've discussed it, I think.
Speaker 2:Okay, so fun fact Homie had a big addiction to volume and laughing gas.
Speaker 3:Did nitros?
Speaker 2:That I mean I've had laughing gas for surgery. It was fun, I laughed.
Speaker 3:It's great when you need it, but probably shouldn't become a daily occurrence, no, but it did, he actually ended up getting several unnecessary root canals. Yes, I was the Lord. I used to work for a dental practice that exclusively did root canals. And do you have any idea how anxious people are coming in, and a lot of times they are in a lot of pain. So to have one of these procedures and just know that we drilled into your tooth, that's when you know you have a problem.
Speaker 2:You got a problem, buddy, because even those around you are like I hate to say this, but I think that's enough for the day and he's like well, that's funny, because I actually have a fucking tooth that needs to be taken out. Exactly, I can feel it because I'm God and it's telling me take me out, Take me out.
Speaker 3:Ash does a killer impression of a tooth.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3:God, doesn't that just make your teeth hurt? I feel like I've never been so aware of every single tooth in my mouth as when we talk about blah blah, blah, blah. I hate it.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, in the compound, people are literally, you know they use working just 24, seven to make the cult bigger and better and make the compound bigger and better and blah blah blah Doing interviews. Sheila's doing a ton of interviews and she is so condescending. Oh, she's the worst. Oh my God, she's so mean to people. And apparently during his nightly meetings with her, he would tell her that she was being too mild with the press. He later said when he started talking again, quote I had been sharpening her like a sword. Go, I would say, go, cut as many heads as you can. It's so fucking crazy that there are so many people that still follow him. When we get to the end and you find out about the resort, what?
Speaker 3:How are you bought into this at this stage?
Speaker 2:Well, how do you get people to keep working and be working on their enlightenment?
Speaker 3:I mean normally, I would say drugs.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't do drugs.
Speaker 3:So I know that's the thing. That's what's missing.
Speaker 2:Their dynamic meditation was the drug. I think, and I don't know if we went over dynamic meditation, the five stages.
Speaker 3:I think we did, but I feel like this is a good point to maybe refresh that, even if you've already listened to part one.
Speaker 2:Yes, so he introduced dynamic meditation in 1970. And this consisted of five steps, the first being rigorous breathing and hyperventilation. Then you would have catharsis and just explode and scream and shout. Then you would put your hands up over your head and jump up and down, going hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo, I think like that. Then you would sit in quiet, still meditation for 15 minutes and then you would dance around ecstatically for 15 minutes and there's a thing called ecstatic dance and I'm pretty sure that it's an O-show thing.
Speaker 3:I'll be honest I just hate any type of group activity like that.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's not so. Listen, I don't think that O-show coined it ecstatic dancing. But if you see a flyer for ecstatic dance which, oh my gosh, it sounds fun, Get together with a group and dance ecstatically. I just looked at this website called awakenaslovecom. That sounds very culty. It sure does, caitlin, that's a great point. And it says discover ecstatic dancing. Let dance become your prayer, let music be your altar, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Quote dancing is not just a movement. When a movement becomes ecstatic, then it is dance. When the movement is so total that there is no ego, then it is a dance. End quote. Guess who said it?
Speaker 3:I have a feeling.
Speaker 2:Go with your gut.
Speaker 3:Was it the O-show?
Speaker 2:It was the O-show. Go figure, it was the O-show. That son of a bitch.
Speaker 3:It sounded like just enough of a word salad. That made sense.
Speaker 2:He was fantastic at that. You know who I'm going to say really was, though, and I know I keep going back to this, but it's just because I'm reading this Manson book. Manson said some shit that would have just especially if I was on LSD that would have just made me so confused, but feeling like they were saying something so profound because it just doesn't make any sense. You're trying to make sense of it. You're like, whoa, this is some wild esoteric, or whatever.
Speaker 3:Oh, esoteric, that's the perfect word for it. What does esoteric?
Speaker 2:mean exactly.
Speaker 3:I Googled and this is exactly what you think right intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest. Coltie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I always feel like esoteric comes with a pretty like pretty coltie Can kind of have a coltie vibe. Vibe? Yeah, I don't know about that. Maybe count me out on that one. Thanks for the invitation no, thanks Thanks. Tyne, even probably without there being any esoteric part of an invitation, I'm going to say no, but I made a really concerted effort to say yes to go to a party and I'm not going to know anybody. Really, I'm going to have a plus one, but that's not my jam. So really getting out of my comfort zone here you guys.
Speaker 3:It's scary.
Speaker 2:I wanted to give myself some props for that, I don't know why, just because, trying to keep it a little positive, we tried and I wasn't sure how to segue into a break which we're going to take, so we will be right back. Hey gang, we are back here we are. So, like I was saying, rajneesh is hitting the old nitrous oxide pretty fucking hard and apparently he would just spend hours fucking high on laughing gas and he would just be ranting just incoherently fucking stone and whoever would feverishly write down everything he was saying. Those were published as his books for the next few years, so like, while your master is in silence, he's also publishing this shit. That is total gibberish nonsense. That's really confusing.
Speaker 3:Just a drug induced fever dream that somebody wrote down for him. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Which is very Scientology, levels three and eight, ot.
Speaker 3:All of Scientology feels like a drug induced fever dream to me.
Speaker 2:but L Ron Hubbard was high as shit when he wrote some of that stuff. He had to be.
Speaker 3:I think that's one of the commonalities with a lot of these cult leaders it's like not a single one of you were sober, despite what you were probably telling your followers.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, none of the followers were allowed to get fucked up, but they. Jim Jones was just all fucking high all day too.
Speaker 3:The hypocrisy runs deep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these fucking guys. Whoa, that's an understatement. So people are working around the fucking clock. They're not seeing their master. He's publishing gibberish. They are being separated from their children, Especially if you had kids and you were divorced. They encouraged you to have your kids. Stay with your ex-spouse Because, even though his whole idea was to better the future of humanity, children were seen as a distraction, which is weird, because I thought they were like the future. Thought they were the future.
Speaker 3:No, they're a burden.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So women who got pregnant were strongly encouraged to get abortions. Women were encouraged to get sterilized. Kids who did come to live in the commune were living in huts and had basically like nannies that were just commune members who kind of took care of their basic needs. This kind of free love fucking theory of Rajneesha's and that you get power and pleasure and all this shit from sex made it so that the atmosphere was one of consent, not mattering.
Speaker 3:Yeah, consent not needed as much.
Speaker 2:And the child abuse apparently was rampant. Erin Robbins, who is an interesting figure because you're actually going to bring up somebody else pretty wild later, so am I and she was. She was a part of the Baskin Robbins family oh my God, she's the one that I said earlier started getting raped pretty quickly in. India and she just spoke for the first time in over 40 years, about a year ago. She said that she didn't know at the time but there was this kind of like oh everybody's your auntie and uncle type of deal, so she would see like younger girls with older men and think kind of nothing of it. I hate that. One little girl reported that by the time she was 13, she had been raped by over 100 men. Apparently the children being sexually abused was heinous and continuous. When I heard that I had no idea I was just like that makes this story so much fucking worse. And how the fuck do they gloss over that in the documentary?
Speaker 3:You know, the tough thing about a topic like this and I think we're experiencing it first hand here is that it's so heartbreaking and it's so mind-boggling and so uncomfortable that we have a tendency to just go completely nonverbal and we just sit there aghast and like making these facial expressions of shock and hand gestures that are like what the fuck? And it doesn't make for great podcasting or for great documentaries, but the reality is that I think that's what it is. It's our own discomfort. I think Western society I can only speak to that that's my lived experience but we definitely have a tendency to, in a lot of cases, default to. You know, we don't want to sit in that discomfort.
Speaker 2:Well, the sad thing is, I think, that hundreds of children, who are now adult children, have kept quiet about this for a long time because Erin Robbins got very attacked when she came for it.
Speaker 3:I can imagine.
Speaker 2:Because, quote, oh shows following is still very strong. That's why victims don't come forward, it is Okay. So I hear that from her and she said there's all of these adult children now who have gone through this trauma and you know she's still obviously dealing with her own PTSD, but she's talking about how you know, maybe it wasn't included in the documentary because it's not something that's been talked about a lot. Yeah, it's so gross. She was like viciously attacked by current Soniazins for coming forward and speaking about that. So I think it's been pretty well hidden. But Peter, the lawyer that you meet in wild, wild country, who just seems like such a nice guy and nerdy-der. And fucking obviously, sheila, they would have had to know that this was going on, which is just like so fucking disgusting.
Speaker 3:I don't know how you live with yourself, you know.
Speaker 2:to be honest, I don't know how much Rajneesh knew about what was going on with that.
Speaker 3:I mean that's fair, just because I think there's a lot of things that can be occurring in and around your space that, when you are high all the time, you're maybe not going to have an awareness of.
Speaker 2:Also, sheila was legitimately murderously protective over him, yeah, so I would think that she would try to keep negative things away from him. Actually, she had like a real fucking no negativity policy. She fucking hated negative people. She always told people listen, stay positive. If you don't like it here, then fucking get the fuck out. And people you know they're pretty afraid of losing their chance for enlightenment and their mind controlled by this fucking cult and the thought of having to leave when you've probably already left everything else behind. So what the fuck do you have to go back to now? It's probably pretty scary. So put on a fucking smile and work your 12 hour shift at the gift shop, okay.
Speaker 3:I mean it seems like the only reasonable option at that point. You've probably given them all of your money. You probably have burned a lot of bridges with family and friends by adopting what is a very alternative and what they might view as a very extreme type of lifestyle.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not sure if Aaron Robbins lost her inheritance, but she had a pretty big fucking one coming towards her with being, you know, half of goddamn Baskin Robbins family. So I don't know what happened there financially, but you know, people took a pretty big fucking risk with this. Obviously, also amongst all of this other insane bullshit that is happening, people are being forced to live bogus marriages for passport reasons. So even if you and I were married but I'm trying to get Jerry over from England, I would go live with Jerry for however long. I would have like a fake but full on relationship with Jerry to get him a passport. They were actually did one of the biggest fucking passport or immigration fraud scandals in US history. They broke a lot of records. They also did one of the biggest wiretapping scandals in US history and one of the biggest mass poisoning scandals in US history. Wow, I loved a fucking poisoning dude. I tell you what also members of the cult were not allowed to leave the ranch. Their mail and phone calls were screened. You know it was a lot of people look back at those days fondly. A lot of people also have a lot of realizing to do. Obviously there were some idealic parts of it obviously or else people wouldn't be in these fucking groups, you know. But it was getting pretty bad. Let's take another quick commercial break and when we get back we will start talking about some of the insanely sketchy shit that Sheila was pulling in order to essentially take over the town of Antelope and like the whole fucking county.
Speaker 3:Literally an entire county.
Speaker 2:I feel like they were in it to win it and I feel like they almost couldn't. They were fucking determined. It was dangerously close. We will talk more about that when we get back from this quick commercial break. Also, like so many other cults, when people would leave he would slander the fuck out of them. We'll talk about it later. But when Sheila left, who had been his insanely loyal disciple for years, he was just like fuck that bitch. Literally, I'm not even dead. To me he didn't say fuck that bitch, but he literally calls her a perfect bitch. Yeah, it's crazy. He is ruthless. It's like the fucking OG Scientology hate website. They had this little Rajneesh Purim newsletter and when one of the dudes left, who was, I guess, known in the community because there was one to 2,000 people living there, kind of like at all times fucking insane, I mean they outnumbered the town of Antelope by a bajillion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like a hundred to one, something ridiculous like that. Yeah. Numbers or something.
Speaker 2:So yeah, when he left, they slandered the fuck out of them. They were like he's a terrible person and blah, blah, blah, like Scientology it does. Now it's kind of their thing, totally their jam. They make those hate websites that are like this person's a homosexual and you're like okay what else? Okay, cool. What else you got for me? Scientology, but it's there for other Scientologists and blah, whatever Right.
Speaker 3:Listen. If it starts making sense to us, then we really need to be worried.
Speaker 2:If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, it's a fucking cult. I think you know is what you guys are truly coming to understand here. So by 1982, 1983, a group called a thousand friends of Oregon got involved in protesting how they were using the land, because they were like hey, motherfuckers, that shit's for farming and you're having a whole city there, which is not cool.
Speaker 3:I don't like it.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't like it at all. Okay, so, like I said, rajneesh Puram is a whole ass city, now you know. So people can come and go, they have visitors, I don't know. I imagine it like a little toon town, even though that's not what it was like.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think you can kind of think of it however you want at this point, you know, it's kind of a made up place, okay.
Speaker 2:But so listen to this. So these three guys come and they're. You know, they just act in like real fucking sketchy. They're being weird. Security is super tight. I don't know if at this point, they had started their whole militia yet. But at some point they get real freaked out. They're like we need to start an army to protect ourselves, because that always happens too.
Speaker 3:You know what's great to throw into a cauldron boiling over with drugs and extremism guns.
Speaker 2:But remember, and I think this is important to point out drugs were not a thing for the residents, for the cult members. It was only homeboy who's getting high all day Right. Like nobody else got to get high, which is really unfair.
Speaker 3:Honestly, why even join a cult at that point?
Speaker 2:But it was okay for people to sell drugs to be able to afford to get there or whatever they're like sure you got to pay your own way yeah. Ass grass or gas. No one rides for free Right.
Speaker 3:That is right.
Speaker 2:Let me take that back, okay. So at some point these three dudes visit the compound and they're being super sketchy. So they say you know what, you got to leave, but you can go to Portland Oregon and stay at the hotel Rajneesh. The men agree and they go and one of the dudes gets his hand blown off because they had actually planned on probably bombing the commune. That's what they think. They put you and two together and they're like oh, the sketchy dudes had bombs.
Speaker 3:Great.
Speaker 2:And then one of them blew his hand off with one of them. So that is actually when they really beef up their quote peace officers and they start carrying around AK-47s and other semi-automatic weapons.
Speaker 3:So that doesn't seem like a peace offering Right. It doesn't seem like it.
Speaker 2:You know, as you naturally have as a at a yoga commune, AK-47s, they just go hand in hand.
Speaker 3:Yeah Pee's in a pod.
Speaker 2:I would say so between 83 and 84, wasco County was denying a lot of the building that the Rajneesh wanted to do. Remember there were strict building codes and they wanted to expand and Wasco County kept denying them.
Speaker 3:They got out their rubber stamp, Just said nope.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Wasco County commission also voted to exclude them from the county planning meeting. They just were like fuck you guys, we don't want you around, you fucking cult freaks, and you keep trying to break the rules Like it's farming only. What the fuck Like? How many times do we have to tell you? But there was an election coming up and there were some seats open. So the Rajneesh figured hey, if we can get elected into some of those seats, we can get some fucking political power. And wouldn't that be so helpful? Obviously, totally Probably so. With about a thousand or more people living on the ranch at this time, Sheila and her little gang of hooligans figure they need about five or 6,000 votes, and with only one or 2,000 on the ranch, they are like fuck, we need to get people here quickly. They make a call out to all the Sonny Austin's who are in other parts of the country and world and they're like Bogwan is fucking ready to speak, he's pumped, he wants you to be there. Pump up the fucking jam. Like it's going to be tight, get over here. Weirdly, not that many people showed up though. So like all right, fuck, we've got to rethink this plan. So they start a quote share a home initiative which was meant to last from September to December, and they bust in people experiencing homelessness from all over. And you know, they're like we got a free bus ticket for you. Food, shelter, safety, it's the tits over there. So they bring in about 4,000 quote street people, which is what Sheila and all the Sonny Austin's referred to them as, because she's classy, uh-huh. But they segregated them. They weren't allowed in the main cafeteria or in the areas where the other Sonny Austin's lived. They basically just like made them their own new little homeless camp. And Sheila also realizes that a lot of people experiencing homelessness often are also dealing with mental health issues and addiction. And she's like oh, this isn't like a super easy group to control. There's violence, there's public drunkenness. So she starts you know they each get two beers a night. And she's like I got to calm these motherfuckers down. So she starts putting halodol, an anti-psychotic used to treat bipolar and schizophrenia, into their beers. She starts drugging the quote street people to like keep them calm enough until they can vote and she can kick them the fuck out onto their asses, which is exactly what they did as soon as the election was over. They're like, okay, bye, and they literally dropped them in random cities, la Grande primarily. Yeah, you know you're living in your city and all of a sudden, the homeless population goes from 10 to 100 overnight. Yep, it's insane.
Speaker 3:They actually dropped. I mean, we're not even talking about 100 or hundreds, we're talking about thousands. It's legitimately one of the largest humanitarian crises that we've faced as a state that I can point to.
Speaker 2:They broke a lot of records. Yeah, as far as being like really fucked up.
Speaker 3:It's really bad. The Salvation Army actually helped with getting some of these people back to where they came from or to someplace else safe. The figure that I found in my research was that they spent roughly $100,000 helping those people that were cast out.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God. And who pays that? The Oregon taxpayers. Wait, you guys don't have taxes.
Speaker 3:We do. We actually. We have income taxes, property taxes, we don't have sales tax. Oh right, okay, but in this instance, oregonians aren't paying for that $100,000. That's the Salvation Army.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Salvation Army did that. Oh, okay, okay. So what's wild, though, is, after everything that I've told you here, I haven't gotten to the murdery part, which is crazy, I know, because that's coming up. We'll be right back. Hey guys, we are back. So they're like we've got all these people, but it's not enough and we have to win at least a seat or two, something. So she decides I'm saying Sheila decides all this. I think Bogwan was. You know, I'm not absolutely sure, exactly like I said, how much he was involved, how much of the ideas were his.
Speaker 3:It gets a little murky there, and that's part of why it's so fascinating, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Sheila becomes her own cult leader, actually like she becomes a cult leader in her own right, interestingly. So you're like, is she fucking just doing all of this on her own? Is she being because she gets creative? So they are about to start the worst bioterrorism attack on US soil, I believe. To date they infected 10 salad bars with Salmonella, 750 residents in the Dalles, a bigger town near the ranch. So Sheila's like super big into poisoning. It's alleged, although not confirmed, that they blended up beavers and put them into the local water supply.
Speaker 3:Why there's already beavers in our water, because that can make you sick.
Speaker 2:I guess there was a judge who visited the ranch and they tried to poison his glass of water. Just poisoning left and right, you know. Actually that's really funny because poisoning is known as women's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, totally the woman's way to kill. I've been biting my tongue.
Speaker 2:I'm like God damn it. That is such a stereotype, that feels so right right now and that actually makes me think that Sheila was doing her own thing.
Speaker 3:You know if the shoe fits.
Speaker 2:She's like let's just poison everybody. I feel like that's the way to go. She didn't want to kill them, she just wanted to make them too sick to go and vote on voting day. Ok, so don't get too mad.
Speaker 3:I mean, is she, is that?
Speaker 2:How much do we really know, right, I mean?
Speaker 3:come on. Have you seen Sheila's face? I don't trust that mug for a second.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. Ok, that is the fucking thing. She's a psychopath, which makes her sort of likeable because she's so charismatic. Yeah, also remember that Sheila was groomed from a young age to be Boggwan's disciple. Her father told her you're destined to follow him, and she was a teenager. I think that when that happened, she was absolutely transfixed by Boggwan. I think we really have to consider when there are young people who are willing to kill for their master, when they've been groomed and brainwashed since literally being a teenager and thinking that this person is God and that they need to be protected at all costs. Listen, sheila was real cunt-y. I would have hated her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we are not friends.
Speaker 2:I'm still not a huge fan because she is a psychopath. I do believe that, yeah, because she has no remorse. She's like listen, I was, I was doing what I had to do, ok, which is why I'm like OK, so you were groomed, but you're also fucking crazy Because, also, like I said, she did make her own little cult too as well, which we'll get to.
Speaker 3:No, she's kind of one of those where she wants you to believe like he ran into my knife over and over and over again. But she wants you to believe that about poison.
Speaker 2:He had it coming. Yeah, he had it coming. He only had himself to blame Chicago. So now you know the commune's getting really big. Of course it's fucking gaining popularity. A woman named Hossia, who is actually the Oscar-winning producer of the Godfather, joins the commune Like he's reeling some big fish in.
Speaker 3:He is actually. It was Shannon, and I don't know if she went by the last name Ryan. At the time she was the daughter of California congressman, leo Ryan, and you may recall he was sent to Guyana to investigate Jonestown and he was killed on an airstrip yes, so after he was murdered, of course, his you know poor daughter. He wasn't the only victim in that story. There's obviously 900. Some people that you know lost their lives. But here's his daughter who's lost her father probably really emotionally devastating and unfortunately she used the money from her father's life insurance policy to help fund Raj Nishprom and she actually did televised interviews talking about the commune and they very specifically, very pointedly said Raj Nishprom is not a cult. No, no, no, no, no. Her father died investigating this cult years ago. That's not what this is.
Speaker 2:Like she would get wrapped up in that Come on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ah, fool me once, can't get fooled again.
Speaker 2:That is wild. I actually didn't know that one.
Speaker 3:I think it's really sad. It just feels like the cycle of victimizing multiple generations of this family, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a super sad tidbit. Yeah, so he's got all these big people around him. You know. He's got the heir to have the Baskin Robbins. He's got the fucking Leo Ryan's daughter, he's got the goddamn producer of the Godfather. He has big people around him and then all these other Hollywood people start coming. You know, it becomes trendy as it does it's so hot right now. Yoga. It's so hot right now. Having a guru is like so hot right now. Which the Beatles, I feel I got to say they made it hot. So now, all of a sudden, all of these fancy Hollywood people have direct access to Raj Nish all the time and Sheila is not having this. She's like are you fucking kidding me? Like I've been poisoning people for you, I literally set fire to the county planning office. I was organizing a fucking plane to crash a bomb into the courthouse. Sorry, the pilot said no, but like hello, homie, I was trying to do that for you.
Speaker 3:You know that was a gift, and it's the thought that counts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to try to assassinate the attorney general for you. My bad, it didn't work out. Again I tried to poison him. I was going to assassinate an organ journalist, but that didn't work out. She is doing all of these things. Yeah, move her in a shaker. Guess who's getting all the attention? The Hollywood people who are showing him like Rolexes and shit. And in the documentary she was like I had tried so hard for so long to avoid showing him all that shit because I knew that he loved fucking shiny shit and would want it.
Speaker 3:What is he? A crow.
Speaker 2:He also dresses like very space-like robes I don't know if you noticed Very futuristic, it's very interesting. But she's just planning murders and assassinations and poisonings and shit left and right and he's just high on fucking laughing gas and talking to fancy Hollywood people all day. So Sheila is like you know what. I don't trust all these people. I'm in a wiretap, his room as well as the entire fucking community, because I don't know what's going on here.
Speaker 3:You motherfuckers are shady.
Speaker 2:It was one of the most sophisticated, large-scale wiretapping operations in US history. It was wild. They love those records. She wiretapped his room to protect him, according to her, and so she hears her asking his doctor like hey, if I wanted to die peacefully, could you hook me up with that and Sheila can build a crematorium and I can die on the master's day, which is July 6th? She's like are you fucking kidding me? I'm not going to let you die, what? So? Naturally, sheila's like well, I have to kill the doctor. I have to kill Dave Aragh because he's going to let Bhagwan kill himself. She has a lot of assassination plans and a lot of them fall through. Imagine that. So she sends one of her minions to try to poison the doctor with a syringe, or she does it herself, I can't remember, but she tries to murder him.
Speaker 3:She's like listen, the details aren't important. The end result is that I would like you dead. This guy's got to go. He's you know. Bye-bye now.
Speaker 2:And Bhagwan just is treating her basically like garbage and she's feeling like I gave my life over to you and this is the kind of respect I get, and you know good for her being a psychopath and having a mind of her own. She was like I'm out of here and I'm bringing my posse with me. So she brings her cult of 21 to Germany and this is actually the beginning of Bhagwan's downfall, because this is when he comes out of silence, because he's like bitch are you kidding me? Like he has things to say. What?
Speaker 3:did you say to me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's not going to let Sheila leave and talk and shit and just sit there still being silent. So he's like oh, um, yeah, no, just felt like it was just a super good time All of my meditating that I've been doing for the past five years. It's done, I'm good, let's chat you guys about what a fucking cunt Sheila is. So when we get back from this quick commercial break we'll talk about how he said what a cunt Sheila was. Direct quote she kind of was Okie doke. So Bhagawan's like I got shit to say Fuck this. They have a confrontation live on TV from separate locations. I don't even really know how.
Speaker 3:I mean, why not at this point?
Speaker 2:Jerry, jerry, that's my feelings. Yep, so Sheila says that Rajneesh uses people's human fragility and emotions against them and says that it was all a con and they're like so you knew it was a con. She's like yeah, but it is what it is, motherfuckers, what do you want from me? She's so unapologetic, it's wild. But what's funny is that Bhagawan said, quote it is true, I exploit people. I exploit them because that is the only way to wake them up. Exploitation is not necessarily evil, and I am a genius at exploitation.
Speaker 3:Great. So you're not necessarily an evil genius.
Speaker 2:No, Wait what? No, I feel like you just said you were, but in a really twisty way. Right, You're a slide son of a bitch. So he says that Sheila is on hard drugs. He said quote she did not prove to be a woman, she proved to be a perfect bitch. I love bitches.
Speaker 3:You know, two things can be true. I can be both of those things Perfect bitch and a woman.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, you know, even though he was displaying his disdain for Sheila, he did say that he loves bitches. All of this, which was met to a perorius laughter by the entire commune. He's like, this bitch was on hard drugs and they're just like isn't it hilarious how she's on drugs? He says that she and her gang of fascists tried to kill three people, which, fair enough, they did.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah, that's totes true.
Speaker 2:He says she always wanted to fuck him but he never did it because quote, never make love to a secretary, which I think is kind of rude, like what's wrong with secretaries.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm sorry, but he was literally trying to take advantage of so many people in positions of a lesser level of power than him all throughout all of this. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:What Dude? I just think he didn't want to fuck Sheila. There were other chicks that he wanted to fuck instead.
Speaker 3:That's all. I just. Honestly, I think the Lady Doth protest too much. I'm not sure that they didn't fuck, so he's basically just shit talking. The shit out of Sheila.
Speaker 2:Oh, totally, and this shit talking is definitely what fucked him up. He said that she had stolen $43 million burned down the Wasco County office, tried to bomb Wasco courthouse, allowed FBI to come investigate the ranch where they found all the water.
Speaker 3:Oh, were they like figured out the plot of how she wanted to poison the water?
Speaker 2:Oh, no, she had allowed the FBI to come investigate the ranch where they found all the wiretapping shit and this huge weapon cache that was found actually in their lake. They had, like crazy, like an insane amount of weapons in the fucking lake for safe hiding.
Speaker 3:Just when you think you've learned the absolute most bonkers thing about this place, they hit you again.
Speaker 2:Well, guess what? Now he says hey, motherfuckers, I'm not your leader. Okay, now Sheila tried to make this shit a religion without my permission, because they were trying to make a fucking Bible. To make it so that he could have religious exempt status, so that he couldn't get in trouble for having come to the United States under the pretenses of coming for a short visit, while intending on staying for a long time. Apparently, it's like a big no-no. So he says burn all of the books on Rajdeesh Puram. He's like religion is dead. I feel like I'd be standing there with my thumb on my ass like, well, what am I supposed to do now Exactly?
Speaker 3:You're not the leader. Okay, so I guess my life is just a lie. Sheila's gone.
Speaker 2:I mean, I didn't like her, but at least I would turn to her for direction, now that you're saying you're not the leader. Holy fuck, that's like a real mind. Fuck. The rug just gets pulled out right from under you, a thousand percent. So homie flees in one of his planes with jewelry, guns and $50,000, as a spiritual leader does, and at the same time Sheila and her little gang get arrested for the attempted assassination of Bhagwan's physician and probably other stuff, but I think that's what they had them on. So this is insane. This is cuckoo bonanz. Well, not this, but what comes next? So Sheila is found guilty in November of 1985 of mass poisoning attempts, wiretapping, immigration fraud, visa fraud ad nauseam. This bitch gets a four and a half year prison sentence. That doesn't really feel like enough to me. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:What Feels a little suspended, if you will. It feels light. Yeah, to put it lightly.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, so it was actually Sheila, said ma shanti badra, one of her loyal devotees, to try to murder the doctor and she got 10 years for the attempted murder. And she was just doing, she was bidding. I was like that doesn't seem fair. Rajneesh gets charged with over 35 counts of fucking conspiracy and even with his connection to everything else and the whole, like you, came here under the auspices of visiting but with trying to actually stay, and he was able to make a deal with the US attorney's office that he was given a 10 year suspended sentence, five years probation and a $400,000 penalty in fines and prosecution costs. He just had to agree to leave the United States, not come back, for at least five years, and if he tried he had to have the permission of the US attorney general which is still like okay, you could still get a permission slip if you want. Right, a suspended sentence is like okay, if you fuck up one more time because the 35 wasn't enough, then you're getting 10 years, buddy, if you decide to come back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to count to three and if I have to turn this car around, yeah, we're done.
Speaker 2:So he returned to India but had far fewer followers. So he rebranded to Osho, which is fucking Japanese for great spiritual master or some shit, and kept teaching. And after his rebrand, his charismatic ways, you know, did their thing again and a lot of Saniasans were still active. And he's back, yeah, so he gets super popular again. He has multiple communes and died from heart failure at one of his communes in Pune, india, on January 19th 1990. This was renamed the Osho Institute and is now called the Osho Intentional Meditation Resort and has over 200,000 visitors per year. His books are translated into more than 60 languages and published by more than 200 publishing houses worldwide.
Speaker 3:It boggles my mind really quick. Yeah, is it the intentional meditation resort or the international? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Okay, did you look it up? Did I fuck it up?
Speaker 3:I had it in my notes and I was like I wonder if I know international meditation resort intentional.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm seeing different things.
Speaker 3:Oh well, I mean, that is very Osho. That's why I was curious, because I was like, okay, is this another one of those things? Because I'm just looking at the, I Googled it and I just clicked on the first one, that, and it's Oshocom, and it talks about the Osho Meditation Resort. Is there like up to the minute news about stuff that's going on there?
Speaker 2:Some rebel Rajneeshis stormed the resort. What, yeah, I don't even know. So I was just looking to see if it's the international meditation resort or the intentional meditation resort, unclear which is so on brand, and it said that recently, 120 rebel Rajneeshis stormed the resort. I don't know.
Speaker 3:That is insane. That group ceases to.
Speaker 2:I guess you could say they were born to be wild Katelyn.
Speaker 3:They were born for something I just. I pulled up the article because now I have a new fascination.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like wait, sorry, what? Yeah, yeah, so we'll put an article in the show notes so you guys can check that out a little bit more. Since I just found that information, legitimately right now. You know what I think I have the perfect fucking quote to end on, which is love when that happens. Okay, so let's end on this little quote. You guys, seriously, next time you see an Osho quote that sounds profound remember who Osho is and tell people about this episode. Tell them to listen, even if they don't listen, just tell them that you know. Before you repost that Osho quote, remember that he is a sexually abusive, mind controlling cult leader, or was, because he's dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was just going to say he's really good at being dead now.
Speaker 2:He's really good at being dead. He said some things that sounded pretty profound, but, like you guys, we got to stop posting those fucking quotes. Quote Eckhart Tolle or something. He's pretty chill, like Osho is Bogwan, is Rajneesh, is this awful guy? This is taken from a recording from a dental session. He said, quote wipe that tear from my eye. I have to pretend to be enlightened and enlightened. People are not supposed to cry. Oh, boom, mic drop. Oh, that's so gross and oh oh, I just left you on the ickiest note. I love it. I love how uncomfortable you are. Makes me feel really good because I'm weird.
Speaker 3:I mean I get that, yeah, but I mean it's him and Sheila.
Speaker 2:Both are like it was all a fucking con and hundreds of children got severely raped and people got their entire lives ruined. And he died peacefully in one of his little ashrams and is still internationally hugely famous and Sheila is now somewhere working with fucking old people somewhere in Europe. Switzerland being a nurse, or something which weirds me out. I don't know. I don't know how to feel about that. What is going on?
Speaker 3:I'm not a fan of that. I will say this what I read said that he actually died of a sudden heart attack.
Speaker 2:What did I say?
Speaker 3:that he died peacefully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that seems pretty peaceful, you go pretty quick.
Speaker 3:That's so funny. I was like I don't think that I don't think of a heart attack as being peaceful.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm just a psycho and I'm like well, it's not like he got bludgeoned to death. Caitlin Chill.
Speaker 3:You know what that's so true though? That's so true though Our world Right Like yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. A heart attack seems like. I feel like that would be a couple minutes. He should have gotten stoned to death, really, and not in a cool way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely not so high that he died, definitely repeatedly having rocks thrown at him. Yeah, that kind.
Speaker 2:And that's Osho Baguantri, rajneesh Rajneesh, dickface, whatever you want to call him. Stop calling him Osho, stop it, yeah, so yeah, I mean that was a long one, but I mean there's just so much to say there and you could not say it. But, holy fuck, you should say it, because so much of that was not in the documentary that obviously everybody watched a bunch, and including us, and holy fuck I was going to say.
Speaker 3:If you've met either of us, you know that we absolutely could not not say it. We're literally not capable of that.
Speaker 2:I got a deep dive. I got to know, I have to know.
Speaker 3:You could have an entire dedicated research team work on this, one full time for I don't even want to know how long, and I feel like you wouldn't uncover everything, and there's got to be so much that we don't even know.
Speaker 2:No, but I don't have time because now I have to single-handedly. No, I'm just kidding, but I want to be a part of a group effort and taking fundamentalism down. So it's a good cause. Do you want a good fight with me, you guys? Yeah, look up the Joshua generation. It's terrifying they're taking of the world. Listen, we don't have any more time. We got to go, okay.
Speaker 3:That's it. That's that.
Speaker 2:It's like what that might be ADHD. Now that's what I call music. I don't know. Yeah, that is Now that's what I call ADHD. Caitlin has it. I might have it. I feel like I do Whatever. We'll see soon. Maybe I already found out, I don't know. Space and time. It is 9pm my time. You guys, this is cuckoo bananas. As someone who already found out. I think I'm in a fever dream state now, probably.
Speaker 3:I know I'm like I can't believe she's still awake.
Speaker 2:I've been talking about Osho for so long that I'm just in like a meditative trans fix Like a transfixed state or a trans transcendental. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I'm transcending universes, I didn't even know. Right now, though, I'm going to go eat vanilla haggendahs oh shit, yeah and watch something not cult related, since for the last 48 hours, legitimately, all I have consumed is cold content. So thanks for listening. You guys are like we don't care you know what you should care they probably they're probably not listening anymore. To be real, I mean, you've looked at the, you've looked at the stats. They tune out. It's okay, but listen you guys if you are still here. Thanks so much for listening. If you are listening on the PNW feed, make sure you check out my show, do it. That's so fucked. I don't even remember how my fucking theme song goes. That is. It's pretty cool, though I think the theme song alone you should just I mean, come on, I play it through.
Speaker 3:If I'm being honest, I play it through probably about 50% of the time when I listen to the episodes.
Speaker 2:Nice. Thank you, You're like. I don't like the jingle.
Speaker 3:And, if you're still listening, I'm dangerously close to getting off here and housing a burrito, but I wanted to tell all of you that you definitely need to come to our feed. We have like a pretty good theme song compared to ashes. The episodes are great, though.
Speaker 2:That's what's important. I mean, I'm not going to lie, we own that. So see, bitch, you own that shit and you guys own your life. Make sure that you, you know house ice cream and burritos instead of the thoughts of sketchy, esoteric gurus, gurus gurus wannabes. Yeah, cause, like he said, he has to pretend to be enlightened. So even the doctor knew he wasn't enlightened. It's so weird, like what were they still doing there? We have to go by you guys.
Speaker 3:We can literally talk about this all night.
Speaker 2:Remember, it's not a cult. Do you have a tagline Like a sign off? What do you say?
Speaker 3:We say have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.
Speaker 2:And remember, it's not a cult, it's just a podcast, but we'll see you next.
Speaker 3:Also Tuesday we release presents on Tuesday we see you all the fucking time Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we really slow to content by you guys. Bye, bye, bye, bye.
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